A bug? This city meant to have 1489437 culture!?

Bug solved by Dresden. Turns out this was a bug in the "Spread Culture" mission in Better BtS AI 0.41B. A fix will hopefully make the next version.

After reading this thread, where the mechanics of the espionage mission Spread Culture were discussed, I decided to use it.

This city of Sitting Bull's had been under cultural pressure by me for most of the game. With my economy heavy on espionage, I started messing with him by inserting culture. At first it was about 5 . Next it was 100 or so. then about 1000. I think I decided to stop when I saw it was going to cost about 13k espionage points for the next spread culture mission.

Anyway, when I finally captured the city, I discover it has about 20 times the amount needed to reach Legendary. This has got to be a bug!

I'm using the BUG mod and Better BTS AI. I have doubts that it was either of those mods that caused it.

If I looked more carefully into how this happened then I'm positive there would be a way to exploit this. That is unless using espionage to get culture victory is meant to be this easy.

The game is epic speed. 75k culture is normally needed for Legendary at this speed. 1489437 / 75000 = 19.86

See attached images for the madness!

Apologies if this bug has been reported before.

Given the nationality bar I'd say it looks more like a display bug then a gameplay bug; although if it really was costing 13k that's an enormous cost. However BetterAI uses the UP fixed version of the spread culture mission talked about later in the topic you linked and I've gotten zero feedback on how the fix is working out so it is entirely possible there was a bug introduced. I'd love to see any saves you have anywhere from the start of your cultural attack until now.

Dresden said:

Given the nationality bar I'd say it looks more like a display bug then a gameplay bug; although if it really was costing 13k that's an enormous cost. However BetterAI uses the UP fixed version of the spread culture mission talked about later in the topic you linked and I've gotten zero feedback on how the fix is working out so it is entirely possible there was a bug introduced. I'd love to see any saves you have anywhere from the start of your cultural attack until now.

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Ok I can't remember exactly when I started doing the spread culture missions but I'll do my best.

I'm embarrassed to say I can't actually remember whether I accepted that 13k EP mission. With the econ I had you'll notice 13k was not much at all so I could have made that up in a few turns.

I'll be back with saves...

I did three Spread Culture missions on the city in 1510AD. I used four spies - the first attempt failed. The save for 1510AD is attached.

1st: 57 for 59
2nd: 343 for 216
3rd: 2061 for 1112
4th: ? for 13355 (I no longer had a spy in the city)


I did the fourth and final Spread Culture mission in 1772AD. The save for 1772AD is attached.

4th: 12432 for 5221

I captured the city in 1786AD. That save is attached (before the city is captured). On that turn I used the Incite Revolt mission.

It was 1790AD when I noticed the strange amount of culture, so I pressed shift enter a few times to see if it would fix itself when it came out of resistance.

Also, for what it's worth, I attached an image of the event log from the time I captured the city. Is it a display bug if it says it actually expanded to Legendary culture?

I gotta admit 225 per is pretty sweet!

You found a BetterAI bug. They originally applied a different version of the UP fix, but it seems that later they added the full UP fix without undoing their original fix. So under BetterAI the Spread Culture mission inserts 500% culture

Here are the results of using the 3 spies in 1510 AD with the current SVN revisions of both the Unofficial Patch and BetterAI:


In the next few minutes I'll be posting the details in the BetterAI forum; thanks for the report.

Dresden said:

You found a BetterAI bug. They originally applied a different version of the UP fix, but it seems that later they added the full UP fix without undoing their original fix. So under BetterAI the Spread Culture mission inserts 500% culture

Here are the results of using the 3 spies in 1510 AD with the current SVN revisions of both the Unofficial Patch and BetterAI:

Code:

Unofficial Patch 0.22
          India  NatAmer
Start         0     1145
1st Spy      57     1145
2nd Spy     117     1145
3rd Spy     180     1145

Better AI 0.45C
          India  NatAmer
Start         0     1145
1st Spy    5725     1145
2nd Spy   40075     1145
3rd Spy  246175     1145

In the next few minutes I'll be posting the details in the BetterAI forum; thanks for the report.

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Glad to help!

I couldn't help but chuckle at those figures. I better stop using that mission in this particular game then.