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Deity
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Cottages!!
Don't neglect cottages! They may start small, but once they mature, you'll be glad you built them.
Intro to Cottages Cottages are a new tile improvement in Civ4, replacing Civ3's roads as the main source of commerce. They are one of the most-built improvements (by tile count) in a typical game. Cottages grow. In this article I often use the word "cottage" to include any of the four improvements in the cottage -> hamlet -> village -> town sequence. Cottage (1 commerce): Requires 4 worker-turns to build Hamlet (2 commerce): Requires 10 citizen-turns working a cottage Village (3 commerce): Requies 20 citizen-turns working a hamlet Town (4 commerce): Requires 40 citizen-turns working a village The ultimate goal of building a cottage is to grow it into a town. If it looks like the game will be over before the cottage reaches town status, you should consider building a different tile improvement. Cottages on Steroids In addition to their natural growth, there are several ways to boost cottages further.
The Cottage City You can save a lot of hammers by grouping your cottages in a few specialized cities. These cities will get libraries, universities, observatories, academies, and banks. The other cities will have very low commerce, so they don't need to build the commerce buildings. And your cottage cities don't need to build barracks, stables, factories, coal plants, etc. Rule 1: A good cottage city can feed 10 cottages before Biology. Food score for various cottage terrains:
Commerce resources count as 1 cottage. Coast for a financial civ counts as half a cottage. Non-financial coast is junk. Growing Cottages You grow cottages by assigning a citizen to work them. Double-click the city closest to the cottage, click the cottage, and a white circle will appear around the cottage. You get one citizen (white circle) per population point. If you don't like to micromanage, click the emphasize commerce button, and the AI governor will automatically assign new citizens to cottages. Cities grow faster than cottages, so it's better to focus on city growth initially. Rule 2: Build a granary ASAP in every city with cottages. You should also focus on food tiles to support city growth. But if you build too many farms, you will run out of space for cottages! The solution is... Rule 3: The optimal growth rate for cottage cities is Food Surplus = Happiness Surplus. If you have a lot of extra happiness and not much food, build another farm. As your city fills up and you run out of happy faces, move citizens from farms to cottages. Finally, bulldoze the farms and replace them with cottages. Optimal cottage growth with unlimited workers: 1. Farm everything until food_surplus = final_number_of_cottages. Put extra citizens on cottages. 2. Convert all farms to cottages when population = total_happiness - food_score. This strategy will produce slightly more commerce than Food Surplus = Happiness Surplus, assuming you have extra workers for the transition between step 1 and 2. (See this thread for the math behind these formulas.) Since workers are such an important factor in cottage growth... Rule 4: If your city is growing faster than workers can build tile improvements, build or slave another worker. Cottage City Buildings Cottage cities benefit a lot from +gold and +science buildings. You should try to include some high-production tiles (hammer resource, hills, food resource with slavery) in the city radius to help you build them. But... Rule 5: Growing cottages is more important than building gold and science improvements. If you use slavery to kill off half your cottages and finish a library, you have decreased your science rate instead of increasing it! Moving half your cottage citizens to mines does the same thing. The cottages will grow back eventually, but it will take much longer to reach your goal of fully grown towns. If your base commerce is so high that slave-rushing a university increases your beaker count immediately, it is ok to kill the citizens and build it. General Commerce + Hammers Strategy Specializing your cottage cities can save a lot of hammers on buildings, but cottage cities are also poor hammer producers. To balance it out, you need some hammer cities to focus on settlers, workers, missionaries, military, and wonders. A general rule is to have 50% hammer cities and 50% commerce cities. A 6-city empire might look like this:
Many "good cottage cities" are also good hammer cities or GP farms. Specialize cities according to what you need the most. If most of your empire is grassland, assign the hills to hammer cities and your best food resource clump to a GP farm. If most of your empire is plains, put cottages on all the green tiles you can find even if you can't fit 10 of them per city. Floodplains are great! A floodplain city with forests can double as a cottage city and GP farm. A floodplain city with hills can double as a cottage city and hammer city. A Note About Plains If you have surplus food, it's tempting to use that food to feed plains cottages. Hence we have... Rule 6: Plains should be ignored until Scientific Method. The reason is that specialists are more valuable than plains cottages in the early game. Exceptions:
Scientific Method is a good reminder to start improving plains, but the actual key techs are improvement-specific:
Conclusion Cottages are an essential improvement for commerce, and are easy to use once you know the basics. These guidelines can help you get the most out of your cottages.
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. Cottages! . GP Bulb Techs . Vaporize Stupid PeopleBuild at least 6 cities . Press Ctrl R to turn on resource bubbles . Build 1.5 workers per city . Check F9 Demographics often . Stay near the top in soldiers Last edited by DaveMcW; Dec 19, 2008 at 08:52 AM. |
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Emperor
Join Date: Apr 2006
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You have rule about plains, but you also say "Non-financial coast is junk". Shouldn't the same rule apply for non-financial junk?
Also, when you say "ignore these tiles", you're not actually being helpful: what should you do instead? Would the following be a more direct way of implementing Rule 6? Rule 6: Don't work plains and coast in the start of the game. If you have no other tile to work, run a specialist instead. This changes at Biology for Plains and with Financial/Wonders for Coastal. Great, concise article! |
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Deity Whipping Boy
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Very readable, and some nice points.
I'm not sure about the part about ignoring plains tiles though... if I have a food surplus from a resource or two and no other worthwhile tiles, I will often prefer 2 plains cottages over 1 specialist. I'd also like to point out that, assuming full bonuses on all, watermills can keep up with towns and windmills are arguably better.
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Drill IV Defender
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TMIT convinced you finally did he? :P
Thanks for the article DaveMcW!
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Goldfish
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Thanks Dave, really nice sum up for starters...
I agree with you about avoiding plains cottages generally... but perhaps they are worth working in some cases (bureau capital comes to mind)... Cheers
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RPC Supergenius
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Nice article Dave, a few points you may want to add
1) Riverside towns in US get an even further boost by building a levee, thus each town is 2 hammers. Therefore a later game cottage city can turn into a production powerhouse and thus warrent factories etc... 2) You should mention the CE's other weakness, it is succesptible to pillage and random events (although pillaging is less of an issue in BTS). If you build a cottage near a mountain, there is a chance of a volcano destroying it, thus if given a choice farm near a volcano and cottage away. 3) You should mention the early benefits of Bureacracy to a CE capital until liberalism is founded. 4) A cottage city on a river, yet with ocean access get's further commerce from trade routes and their modifiers (harbors, custome houses).
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King
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Australia / Chile
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Great article, thanks.
Your comments in past threads have been a big reason why i love cottages!But can you clarify for me "specialists are more valuable than plains cottages in the early game" ? If my maths is right, after 10 turns of working 2 plains cottages (net cost 2 food), I'll be getting 4 commerce and 2 hammers, which is equal or better than any standard specialist (net cost 2 food) even when running Rep. Spoiler:
Also one more question: When would you cottage on grassland hills? I sometimes see the AI do it, but I tend to prefer mines to build those libraries and universities... I figure it is maybe worth it in riverside financial situations with a serious food surplus... or late game... but really, once cottaged they just become plains tiles, right? Last edited by Airefuego; Dec 08, 2008 at 07:10 AM. |
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Deity
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Every city with surplus food can be a GP farm before Biology.
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. Cottages! . GP Bulb Techs . Vaporize Stupid PeopleBuild at least 6 cities . Press Ctrl R to turn on resource bubbles . Build 1.5 workers per city . Check F9 Demographics often . Stay near the top in soldiers |
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Warlord
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Finally a guide about the most important improvement of the game
. I like the general rules of thumb. One question though: How do you get all the multiplier buildings in a reasonable amount of time? Do you work mines? I could imagine that working only cottages would mean awful production. Isn't it then more useful to have one or two mines to finish libraries and universities? Or do you wait for US to buy them? Also, I think plains cottages can be useful, as long as you've got one or more food resources. Let's say you've got irrigated corn, and grassland cow in the BFC, then you can still run 8 cottages next to it. If you've also got some grassland, it could turn a worthless site into a good one. |
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Drill IV Defender
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Basically the gains from these cottages/hamlets etc. growing outweights the benefits that come from the multipliers. Where it becomes a bit more fuzzy is when you consider the effect of trade routes etc., where multiplier buildings will help as well. I suppose again the idea is that working the appropriate number of cottages is better than boosting that commerce from the trade routes. After all, for much of the early game since you don't have many commerce multiplying buildings, you can use the slider with greater flexibility. I would imagine that you should work mines over cottages if building an espionage building and you plan to run a high esp slider after your commerce cities finish them. The fixed bonuses these buildings give is probably enough to warrant sacrificing the growth of the cottages while they're built.
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GiftOfNukes
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Dave:
You are awesome. I know you like catapults a lot. Do you generally slave or workshop from hammer cities, assuming there aren't sufficient hills? Or do you just slave early workshop later? Also, how do you balance caste with slavery in a cottage empire so that you can still GP farm techbulb? Normally one wouldn't whip in big, established cities, but new ones need it to grow ASAP...and in the case of few hills, of course slavery might be needed for .
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Ahhh Dave, i was expecting this thread for ages! Great read!
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Emperor
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Great article. I love cottages.
In another article, I like the strategy of farming first, getting the growth going and then gradually replacing the farms with cottages. Cottages only grow when they are worked So I get the farms going, grow quickly, bulldoze the farms and replace with cottages. |
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Warlord
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Good article.
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Nice article yes... However... is it acurate???
I dont know... If what Dave is saying is true.... Food surplus = happy surplus... Lets presume.... a all grass city with a river much like I had in that thread ![]() But without the rice.... just ALL grass! Now accoording to the "Food Surplus = Happiness Surplus" rule in this city. Assuming happy cap 15 (equal health cap) and a turn cap of 130 turns this gives the city nice time to grow AND work Towns in the end. Lets presume we have infinate worker turns and can transpose any tile instantly i.e. we have a farm upon settling the city and will pop the culture thru religion or something. In the linked thread... and in Dave's advice here getting a granary ASAP is the thing to do.... This means whipping it ASAP. Farm 4 tiles, grow to size 4 wait till the granary hits 7 food and whip the granary for 2 pop. Now all other hammers are considered invalid for this... At +3 food growing to size 2 on turn 8 with 2 food to spare. At +4 food growing to size 3 on turn 14 with the same 2 food to spare At +5 food growing to size 4 on turn 19 with only 1 food to spare At +6 food we spend 1 turn on size 4 to fill the granary about halfway after whipping... Whip the granary for two pop This puts us back at size 2 +4 food for 11/24 when the granary starts gathering food. At +4 it takes 4 turns to grow to 3 with 3 surplus putting us at 15 food. Turn 28 puts us at size 4 / +6 food Turn 30 size 05 / +7 food Turn 33 size 06 / +8 food Turn 35 size 07 / +8 food add one cottage Turn 37 size 08 / +7 food add cottage and replace farm by cottage Turn 40 size 09 / +6 food add cottage and replace farm by cottage Turn 43 size 10 / +5 food add cottage and replace farm by cottage Turn 47 size 11 / +4 food add cottage and replace farm by cottage Turn 52 size 12 / +3 food add cottage and replace farm by cottage Turn 59 size 13 / +2 food add cottage and replace farm by cottage Turn 71 size 14 / +2 food add cottage Turn 83 size 15 / +2 food add cottage If I did my math right, that adds up to 164 farm turns and 1217 cottage turns Or 4306 commerce from the farms + Cottages. Now by my calculations working all farms right up to size 15 then turning all cottage will result in 236 farm turns and 1230 cottage turns or a total of 4327 commerce. Working all farms up to size 15 > "Food surplus = happy surplus" The difference is minimal, but still The maximum/obtimum I seem to reach in this case is 189 farm turns for a total of 4397 commerce. 1245 cottage turns. This equates to farm all to size 12 and work 1 turn all farms Then 1 turn 5 farms / 7 cottages Then run all cottages. The 91 commerce between optimal and Dave's formula is probably not going to kill you... still... the difference is there. Note there is something odd in these calculations that doesnt seem to add up... I hope I am not talking BS here.... Last edited by namliaM; Dec 11, 2008 at 02:48 PM. |
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GiftOfNukes
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IMO those assumptions are so far from real-game that it's hard to say if the approach is truly better. Worker turns aren't infinite in any practical game scenario that matters. Food surplus = happy surplus is a pretty good "rule of thumb", generally.
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Deity
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Could you explain in 100 words or less why "Food Surplus = Happiness Surplus" is wrong?
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. Cottages! . GP Bulb Techs . Vaporize Stupid PeopleBuild at least 6 cities . Press Ctrl R to turn on resource bubbles . Build 1.5 workers per city . Check F9 Demographics often . Stay near the top in soldiers |
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Drill IV Defender
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namliaM,
Are maintenance costs not greater for the bigger city? Would that factor be important if it were a real in game example?
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Have quit civ/forums
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Riverside financial plains cottages are pretty good... Riverside cottages or plains cottages can be ok depending on the terrain as well. Obviously Non-financial non-riverside plains cottages are junk, but non-financial non-riverside grassland cottages are not terribly hot before emancipation either...
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Deity
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Great work Dave. I am always quoting your little bytes of wisdom, and now I have a place to look for the exact quote I am looking for! Thanks mate! Oh, and I promise, no more quoting TtF!
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