The state of Russian "democracy"

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Two interesting articles I found today:

Bill expands definition of treason in Russia

The Associated Press
Thursday, December 18, 2008

New legislation backed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin would allow Russian authorities to label any government critic a traitor.

The bill, which is expected to pass in Parliament, would expand the definition of treason to include damaging Russia's constitutional order, sovereignty or territorial integrity.

That, critics said, would essentially let the authorities interpret any act against the state as treason, a crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

A group of human-rights advocates issued a statement on Wednesday saying that the legislation "returns the Russian justice system to the times of the 1920-1950s."

Existing law defines state treason as actions harming external security by passing information to "foreign organizations."

The new bill would add nongovernmental organizations based anywhere in the world that have an office in Russia to the list of banned recipients of state secrets.

The government has repeatedly accused foreign spy agencies of using the organizations as a cover to foment dissent.

And...

Creating the illusion of democracy in Russia's neighbors
By Clifford J. Levy
Wednesday, December 17, 2008

ZHODINO, Belarus: The voting monitor began his rounds on election day here at Polling Place No. 7. "Issues? Violations?" he asked the poll workers, glancing around like a casual sightseer. They said no, so he left.

The monitor, Kholnazar Makhmadaliyev, breezed from one polling site ("What's up, things O.K.?") to another ("Everything fine here?"), shaking a lot of hands, offering abundant compliments and drinking toasts of brandy with this city's mayor.

Such went Makhmadaliyev's stint on a large observer mission spearheaded by the Kremlin that concluded that Belarus, a former Soviet republic and an ally of Russia, had conducted a "free, open and democratic" parliamentary election in late September.

The Kremlin monitors' version of reality, though, clashed with the one described by a European security group, whose own monitors dismissed the election as a sham tainted by numerous shortcomings, not the least of which was vote rigging.

The monitors dispatched by the Kremlin did not report anything like that. Nor did they raise concerns about Belarus's security service, still called the KGB, which had exerted harsh pressure on the opposition, imprisoning several of its leaders over the last year and thwarting their campaigns. Or about state-controlled television broadcasts repeatedly branding opposition leaders as traitors.

Or, for that matter, about the final results: a sweep of every single seat in the 110-member Parliament for supporters of President Aleksandr Lukashenko, often described as Europe's last dictator.

The Kremlin under Vladimir Putin has sought to bolster authoritarian governments in the region that remain loyal, and these election monitoring teams — 400-strong in Belarus alone — are one of its newer innovations. They demonstrate the lengths to which the Kremlin will go to create the illusion of democracy and political freedom in Russia and other former Soviet republics, even though their structures of democracy have been hollowed out.

The monitors play a critical role in creating that democratic veneer, solemnly giving their customized assessments and formal reports, which are then promoted by the government-controlled media. They also provide a counterweight to independent observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, who consistently denounce these same elections.

The goal for the Kremlin is to convince the public — and, perhaps, even foreigners — that these governments are lawfully elected and representative of the popular will.

"These monitors really illustrate what is happening in the post-Soviet space," said Andrei Sannikov, an organizer of European Belarus, an opposition movement. "The monitors bless everything — in Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, places where we know there are no real elections. These leaders want to be accepted and seen as truly democratic, even though they are unreformed and unchanged. They want to present themselves as equal to the American president."

Ultimately, Sannikov said, "they want some kind of legitimacy, especially in the eyes of the West."

A sphere of influence

By backing these leaders, Russia has also reaped economic benefits and maintained its regional sphere of influence. It has done so even while seeking to destabilize pro-Western neighbors, most notably when it invaded Georgia in August in response to what it said was Georgian aggression. Belarus, which has 10 million people, is the only former Soviet bloc nation to Russia's west that maintains warm ties with the Kremlin.

The United States and its NATO allies have also sought good relations with many of the authoritarian governments in the region, to offset the Kremlin's influence, to maintain military bases and to increase business opportunities. Still, the West has generally refrained from endorsing the results of elections in these countries.

Senior Russian officials tend to tie themselves in knots explaining how governments that have crushed opposition movements can conduct fair balloting. The officials refer to Western election monitors as a tool that the West uses to smear Russia and other former Soviet republics.

Vladimir Pekhtin, a vice speaker of the Russian Parliament who supervised the Kremlin monitors in Belarus, said every recent election in the former Soviet Union had been democratic and fair. He included countries like Uzbekistan, whose president has ruled since the end of Communism and was re-elected last year with 88 percent of the vote.

Asked about the conclusions of Western monitors in Belarus, Pekhtin said, "Do you want me to tell you honestly? They just made it up, invented it, to try to show that there was some kind of rot."

Still, even some insiders acknowledge what is at work here.

Igor Yurgens, an adviser to President Dmitri Medvedev who heads a liberal-leaning think tank set up by Medvedev, described these missions as doing little more than currying favor with neighbors.

"It's a pretty clumsy thought that the near abroad can be consolidated only through this, through being polite to the authorities in place," Yurgens said.

"They regard it as a diplomatic endeavor — be good to your ally," he said, referring to the Kremlin. "Don't poke him in the eye when the whole of the West is poking him already."

An unlikely monitor

As he canvassed polling places at a rate of one every 5 or 10 minutes, Makhmadaliyev, the Kremlin monitor in Zhodino, allowed that he knew little if anything about Belarus's political situation. That was understandable, given that he is from a village in the former Soviet republic of Tajikistan, in Central Asia.

The observer teams typically work under the umbrella of the Commonwealth of Independent States, an alliance of former Soviet republics controlled by Moscow. In Belarus, many monitors were Russians, but some were from friendly countries like Tajikistan that have particularly checkered human rights records.

Makhmadaliyev, 60, won a parliamentary seat last April in Tajikistan, where the elections tend to be as fair as those in Belarus. A member of the governing party, he received 86 percent of the vote, officials said.

He admitted that he had received no training in election monitoring but said that did not concern him. His sole aim, he said, was to assess whether election day was orderly in Zhodino, a city of 65,000 people about 25 miles from the capital, Minsk.

Rumpled and courteous, he wore a blue armband that identified him as an official observer. He took no notes. And everywhere he went — polling sites in schools, recreation halls and apartment buildings — the responses to his brief questions were the same.

"Everything is fine here," said Larisa Chichina, the senior official at Polling Place No. 7, which was in a cultural center.

He pronounced himself satisfied.

Still, to judge an election based only on whether people can physically cast ballots is a little like reviewing a restaurant based solely on the quality of its waiters.

Election experts say it is equally important to determine whether candidates can conduct their campaigns without pressure, whether the government denies the opposition access to the news media, particularly state television, and whether votes are tabulated fairly.

But Makhmadaliyev said he would not delve into those issues in Zhodino.

"It doesn't interest me at all," he said. "I am interested in whether people can vote on their own, whether people are given the freedom to vote."

(The monitoring mission later released a report declaring that the overall election climate, including the news media coverage, had been free and fair throughout Belarus.)

Makhmadaliyev also said he saw no reason to conduct post mortem interviews with the two candidates in the district to ask about their experiences. If he had, he would have heard the loser, Aleksandr Volchanin, from the pro-Western opposition, contend that the vote count had clearly been falsified.

Election officials said Volchanin, a 46-year-old paramedic, received 24 percent of the vote, but he said the tally was highly suspicious because of a delay of several hours in announcing it.

"I think that they were very strongly thinking about what figures they wanted to put out there," Volchanin said.

The winner, Dr. Vasily Lutikov, 51, a Lukashenko supporter, said Volchanin was looking for excuses.

"Of course, he is going to complain," Lutikov said. "He is upset — no one voted for him."

A Kremlin counterattack


The rise of these shadow monitors can be traced in part to Russia's presidential election in March 2004. Putin won a second term in a landslide, but there was a major blemish: the OSCE's observers called the contest far from democratic. This seems to have spurred the Kremlin to counterattack.

Russia began a campaign to undercut monitors from the group, which is an alliance of more than 50 countries that includes Russia and other former Soviet republics.

The Commonwealth of Independent States, which had already been dispatching informal monitoring missions, adopted a formal policy of doing so, officials said.

The missions are now overseen by a former director of Russia's foreign intelligence service, General Sergei Lebedev, whom Putin installed as the commonwealth's executive secretary last year. Lebedev said in an interview that the West applied double standards, scrutinizing elections in the former Soviet Union far more closely than those elsewhere.

"We have a principle — the main principle — which is to objectively evaluate the situation, and not interfere in internal affairs," he said. "We cannot evaluate the political system of a country. Our main goal is not to find shortcomings, as Russian's say, to find bugs."

Putin and his aides have lately evinced even more hostility to the OSCE, calling for drastic cuts in its monitoring teams. They have also imposed such heavy restrictions on the group's activities that it refused to monitor Russia's presidential election in March 2008.

(The Kremlin monitors did — and found no problems.)

In the end, the Kremlin monitors in Belarus seemed to play just the role envisioned for them: helping to neutralize negative findings by the Western ones.

As Lidia M. Yermoshina, chairwoman of Belarus's central election commission, put it: "If you are guided only by the OSCE report, you might become desperate. You need something to cheer you up."

Lukashenko had invited the Western monitors because he said he was confident that they would endorse the election and was hoping for better relations with the West, which had imposed stiff sanctions on Belarus after opposition leaders were imprisoned in 2006.

But the Western monitors came down hard, so it was no surprise that the state-controlled television news focused mostly on the Kremlin teams.

Even Makhmadaliyev, the Kremlin's monitor in Zhodino, made a television appearance.

"At all the polling places, we have noted a very good mood among the people," Makhmadaliyev told a reporter. "They are coming to elect those who most deserve it."

With that, he hustled to his next stop, walking right past a large sample ballot that directed people to vote for President Lukashenko's candidate.


Let's sum this up in a motto:

Russia: crushing dissidents and promoting authoritarian rule abroad since... time immemorial :king:
 
The idea of liberal democracy was compromised since USA started to use it for strengthening its grip over the world. Since.. since time immemorial? :lol:
 
The idea of liberal democracy was compromised since USA started to use it for strengthening its grip over the world. Since.. since time immemorial? :lol:

Again, is that all you have to say about the articles?

Is it OK that your government is getting more and more authoritarian?
 
Winner why dont you start a thread commemorating Russian culture or space achievements? Frankly most of us are not interested in these repetitive "Russia is bad" threads.
 
yeah the Russians on this board doesnt seem to care that their democracy is a scam
 
yeah the Russians on this board doesnt seem to care that their democracy is a scam

The state of Russian democracy is as such so that international observers cannot claim that there's none, but at the same time it does not interfere with business. Whether Democracy is good or bad for certain cultures is an open question. What Russians care about is a working country.
(I was more responding to holy king's comment than yours, but it works for your as well )
 
I have to say I do suspect that if I was Russian and had lived through the 90s, total transparency and accountability of govt figures would not be top of my priorities. Particularly when the guy in charge had improved most people's standards of living so much, given the country back pride and generally not done anyhting bad to most people in the country, unlike the free-marketeers of the 90s.
 
I have to say I do suspect that if I was Russian and had lived through the 90s, total transparency and accountability of govt figures would not be top of my priorities. Particularly when the guy in charge had improved most people's standards of living so much, given the country back pride and generally not done anyhting bad to most people in the country, unlike the free-marketeers of the 90s.

You mean, let's draw parallel and then, Godwin's law anyone?

Sorry, if I were a Russian, I would be more interested in oversea job or immigration, than admiring hollow democracy (if you mean Yeltsin) and solid authoritarian.

It is my view on People's Republic of China too, mind you ask. I don't give a damn about a 8% increase of annual GDP if I could move up the ladder ten fold by emigration.
 
You mean, let's draw parallel and then, Godwin's law anyone?
Sorry, if I were a Russian, I would be more interested in oversea job or immigration, than admiring hollow democracy (if you mean Yeltsin) and solid authoritarian.

It is my view on People's Republic of China too, mind you ask. I don't give a damn about a 8% increase of annual GDP if I could move up the ladder ten fold by emigration.

No, lets use actually real context instead of pretending Russian history started in 2000.
 
Again, is that all you have to say about the articles?

Is it OK that your government is getting more and more authoritarian?
Personally I am not religious man and do not consider "democracy" whatever is it (every country has its own blend) and after surviving as teen through collapsing of USSR and 90s I am rather cynical about governments and about ideologies and agendas.

So, it comes down to the question: what they will give us in return? As Gelion said, Russians do not need democracy itself. They need working state. Democracy is only a tool and there are plenty to select from and combine with each other.

In the late USSR there was no freedom, food and cloth and everything was scarce to buy :lol:, life was boring, there started numerous ethnic fights - state became dysfunctional.

So we tried "democracy". Indeed, it was fresh air after SU, but the state itself became even worse: after dissolution economy collapsed, gang wars started, oligarchs started their reign and so on. Yes, media could critisize anybody but this did not change anything like in modern Ukraine. Circus in government, holes in economy and so on.

So the problem is balance and trade-off.

Now we can travel to anywhere we want, one can start its own business and it becomes easier with each year (government tries to lessen amount of bureaucratic procedures, you are free to earn money (in USSR personal business and freelance was severely restricted and in most cases - illegal), you can buy and read books on thousands of topics, Internet at your disposal and so on.

And now we need not some "ephemeral" democracy but real working laws against corruption and more economical opportunities for people. Large state projects are also neccessary.

So the question is: what we will gain from government? If they are able to ensure state future and give people work or earn money by other legal means and do not mess too much into private life, provide some state healthcare and socialcare if some unexpected occured in one's life - that's fine. It is what common folk require from government. Not "democracy" which is not edible. It is nice bonus but economy goes first.
 
yeah the Russians on this board doesnt seem to care that their democracy is a scam

American democracy is just as much a scam as Russian democracy. The US just does a better job at concealing it from the rest of the world and from our own people.
 
No, lets use actually real context instead of pretending Russian history started in 2000.

However, this thought "I don't care of democracy and civil rights as long as I have an OK job and steady income increase" is enough to invoke Godwin's law. If you compare Yeltsin to Weimar Republic (at least the inflation and unemployment is right).

But the parallel ends here. Russia is not going Nazi. It is still a right-wing authoritarian state.
 
American democracy is just as much a scam as Russian democracy. The US just does a better job at concealing it from the rest of the world and from our own people.

Americans care about the scam, while Russians happily accept it.

One question: if you believe most people support your regime, why not open up? I was always wondering that about the popular authoritarianism.
 
I have now have read students newspapers "Babylon", there is interview with some dissent with nice quote "Russian people are worse than their government. If the current "KGB" government would be removed, they would choose somebody much worse."
 
Americans care about the scam, while Russians happily accept it.
One question: if you believe most people support your regime, why not open up? I was always wondering that about the popular authoritarianism.

how eductated about politics do you think the average American is given that 46% of the electorate would have been happy to have Sarah Palin a heartbeat waway form Presidency? Get real.
 
I have now have read students newspapers "Babylon", there is interview with some dissent with nice quote "Russian people are worse than their government. If the current government leaded by KGB would be removed, they would choose somebody much worse."



Right wing authoritarians have more skeletons (even more extreme right-wingers) in their closet. If it falls, all skinhead/fascist hell broke loose--that's similar in China. There's lots of neo-nazis are waiting here.

That's the difference between US and Russia/China/Any "popular" right wing authoritarians. In US people cry "Bush is too pushie and ruined our lives", in those country, people demand "Our government is not pushy enough."
 
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