P3-01 - Our god is better than their god!

PaulusIII · Mar 13, 2009, 12:24 PM

P3-01 - Our god is better than their god!

Remember the days you were still new to Civ 4... everything was so much easier, and so much less care. You didn't need to adopt other religions... you just founded your own and stuck with it, no matter whether the AI's liked you for it. You just kept with it because you could and it seemed the obvious thing to do at that time. By now, we have learned that following own religions instead of going with the rest can make it difficult and even lose you games. That will not stop us from reliving those days and adding another level of crazyness to it, though.

And we're of course going to throw some holy wars! If we're going to stick to our own religion we might as well have a good time in the process.

Settings:

Map: Fractal
Size: Standard
Speed: Normal
Difficulty: Emperor
Leader: Isabella of Spain

Game Rules (or the Five Commandments)

1. Thou shalt not delay seeking the One True Way.
(Founding a religion should be priority)

2. Thou shalt be my first disciple, and not accept second place behind another.
(We will found our own religion, and stick with it!)

3. Thou shalt not worship false gods.
(We will found only one religion, and not change our state religion. Temples and monasteries of heathen gods are off-limits)

4. Thou shalt not cast religion aside, even if the rest of the world tries to enforce thee.
(FR is off-limits. UN votes for FR will be defied)

5. Thou shalt remove all doubt from the unbelievers as to the One True Way. When thy quest is done, only one shrine will be standing tall and it will be to Me.
(Before victory, all holy cities except our own must BURN.)

SG rules: Have fun, destroy the heathens, 24/48 rule. Not much else to say really

Roster:
PaulusIII
Arlborn
Ralph_Jackson
nocho
Meiz
Loki_Strikes

Arlborn · Mar 13, 2009, 01:24 PM

Ow, it looks like fun! But doh, it is emperor, I am still winning only around half of my Monarch games. I don't want to embarrass myself! So, if you really need one to fill up the rooster in a few days, you can put me in. Otherwise, I will be lurking!

Ralph_Jackson · Mar 13, 2009, 03:38 PM

Time to punish the heathens..."Burn the witch"

Sign me up Paulus

Arlborn..

Winning half your monarch games is know where near as important as wanting to get in spirit and break out your "Witchhunter General's" anti heathen stakes and firewood (e.g. if the game inspires you then playing ability is a far less important qualification) so sign him up Paulus

as the line

"looks like fun" is the best entry qualification to an SG that I know!!

Ralph

Arlborn · Mar 13, 2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph_Jackson

Time to punish the heathens..."Burn the witch"

Sign me up Paulus

Arlborn..

Winning half your monarch games is know where near as important as wanting to get in spirit and break out your "Witchhunter General's" anti heathen stakes and firewood (e.g. if the game inspires you then playing ability is a far less important qualification) so sign him up Paulus

as the line

"looks like fun" is the best entry qualification to an SG that I know!!

Ralph

Haha, well, if he will have me then.

PaulusIII · Mar 13, 2009, 04:01 PM

Don't worry Arlborn... it might be difficult but the group mind will compensate for that. Most important is, as RJ noted, that we're going to have some fun!

As leader I was either thinking Izzy or Justinian. Both zealous enough for some holy war!

nocho · Mar 13, 2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph_Jackson

the line "looks like fun" is the best entry qualification to an SG that I know!!

Ralph

LOOKS LIKE MIGHTY FUN TO BE "EL GRAN INQUISIDOR"

Am I in now?

Basically a monarch player with some emperor games under my belt. If the fun of it is more important than the hypercorrectness of every move, I'd like to join in!

Cheers

PaulusIII · Mar 13, 2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nocho

LOOKS LIKE MIGHTY FUN TO BE "EL GRAN INQUISIDOR"

Am I in now?

Basically a monarch player with some emperor games under my belt. If the fun of it is more important than the hypercorrectness of every move, I'd like to join in!

Cheers

Fun should always be more important than the hypercorrectness of every move so that's good enough for me

Ralph_Jackson · Mar 13, 2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulusIII

As leader I was either thinking Izzy or Justinian.

Must confess when I think religious zealot in Civ it's always Isabella that springs to mind so one vote for the "Spanish Inquisition".

Ralph

Arlborn · Mar 13, 2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph_Jackson

Must confess when I think religious zealot in Civ it's always Isabella that springs to mind so one vote for the "Spanish Inquisition".

Ralph

True, but I think Monty might be one for this game too!

Crazy fanatic!

nocho · Mar 13, 2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulusIII

Fun should always be more important than the hypercorrectness of every move so that's good enough for me

Great!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph_Jackson

Must confess when I think religious zealot in Civ it's always Isabella that springs to mind so one vote for the "Spanish Inquisition".

Ralph

I guess we'll have a lot of Monty Python quotes then coming along!

Given my country of residence of course I'd vote for Isabella too and let's then start spreading hinduism like there is no tomorrow! For historical correctness maybe we can have "choose religions" and take Christianity if that doesn't feel politically incorrect in these troubled times we're living in... O wait, it's just the economy we have trouble with these days

PaulusIII · Mar 13, 2009, 04:39 PM

Since this game is probably going to offend every single religion represented in Civ (either we'll be slaughtering them or we'll be committing atrocities in their name) I'm not too much worried about political correctness.

And well... for a game which has taking religious zeal to its extremes as its objective, how can we go wrong with Izzy? Monty's a nice fit for crazy religious zeal too but he's already up in another SG I'm playing (Immortal slavers; check that one out if you want to see really crazy play and warmongering Monty-style

) so I'm a bit reluctant on using him.

I must say with Izzy I always feel like having Christianity as the SR: but on Emperor getting an early religion can be difficult and Christianity is about the most-wanted religion with Choose Religion on. Still have to think of a nice way to make sure we get our religion right.

Liquidated · Mar 13, 2009, 05:59 PM

If you run izzy, just re roll till you get a lake and you are in!!

Hinding for the jew back up or just screw it and try for bud lite.

One thing to note since in the process of playing an izzy sg, Conq's are bugged to not ignore walls/castles like cuir's do =/

Unofficial patch fixes this I'm told.

Avoid econ like the plague and aim for 18 exp Artillery!!!

Cheers!
-Liq

Meiz · Mar 14, 2009, 02:27 AM

Double post :|

Meiz · Mar 14, 2009, 02:32 AM

I've been looking for an emperor SG with twisted variant for a while...

...so in other words, ready to burn the pagans!

And as was mentioned, how can we go wrong with the spanish inquisition!

nocho · Mar 14, 2009, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquidated

If you run izzy, just re roll till you get a lake and you are in!!

Spain on a lake, where did I hear that before?

Personally would be ok with rerolling like that, it's not like we're stacking the odds hugely in our favor that way.
Other option is prepicking opponents with other favourite religions according to what I saw in the sevopedia (Gandhi, Toku, Qin, Saladin, etc).

PaulusIII · Mar 14, 2009, 05:54 AM

I'd prefer not to handpick opponents but Spain on a lake sounds intrigueing

Meiz · Mar 14, 2009, 07:06 AM

I think we could handle the first roll, but getting early religion would make the early game more spicey

. So i'm fine with rerolling a lake start.

PaulusIII · Mar 14, 2009, 08:00 AM

Well, since the roster is almost full I decided on rolling up a start with Isabella, and look at what we got on the first roll...

Woo hoo! Spain on a lake! And with stone and two good resources in view to boot!

Settling in place is the way to go, I think. We have stone, pigs and cows for a good early capital. Techpath... well, its Spain on a lake, so how about we try for an early religion?

Arlborn · Mar 14, 2009, 08:03 AM

Great start! I am all for an early religion and settling in place!

Meiz · Mar 14, 2009, 08:17 AM

That's a nice start, definitely settle in place and head for religion. Since relogion is most likely in the bag, we should priorizite stone henge and get our shrine quickly.

Mar 13, 2009, 12:24 PM	#1
PaulusIII Unholy Warlord Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,226	P3-01 - Our god is better than their god! P3-01 - Our god is better than their god! Remember the days you were still new to Civ 4... everything was so much easier, and so much less care. You didn't need to adopt other religions... you just founded your own and stuck with it, no matter whether the AI's liked you for it. You just kept with it because you could and it seemed the obvious thing to do at that time. By now, we have learned that following own religions instead of going with the rest can make it difficult and even lose you games. That will not stop us from reliving those days and adding another level of crazyness to it, though. And we're of course going to throw some holy wars! If we're going to stick to our own religion we might as well have a good time in the process. Settings: Map: Fractal Size: Standard Speed: Normal Difficulty: Emperor Leader: Isabella of Spain Game Rules (or the Five Commandments) 1. Thou shalt not delay seeking the One True Way. (Founding a religion should be priority) 2. Thou shalt be my first disciple, and not accept second place behind another. (We will found our own religion, and stick with it!) 3. Thou shalt not worship false gods. (We will found only one religion, and not change our state religion. Temples and monasteries of heathen gods are off-limits) 4. Thou shalt not cast religion aside, even if the rest of the world tries to enforce thee. (FR is off-limits. UN votes for FR will be defied) 5. Thou shalt remove all doubt from the unbelievers as to the One True Way. When thy quest is done, only one shrine will be standing tall and it will be to Me. (Before victory, all holy cities except our own must BURN.) SG rules: Have fun, destroy the heathens, 24/48 rule. Not much else to say really Roster: PaulusIII Arlborn Ralph_Jackson nocho Meiz Loki_Strikes __________________ No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy. Last edited by PaulusIII; Mar 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM.

Mar 13, 2009, 01:24 PM	#2
Arlborn Legendary Noob Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,939	Ow, it looks like fun! But doh, it is emperor, I am still winning only around half of my Monarch games. I don't want to embarrass myself! So, if you really need one to fill up the rooster in a few days, you can put me in. Otherwise, I will be lurking! __________________ Beep. Smoking Snakes. Economic Left/Right: -3.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92 I write so small and in lemonchiffon(lol!) because I am Roxor!

Mar 13, 2009, 03:38 PM	#3
Ralph_Jackson Emperor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Edinburgh Scotland Posts: 1,631	Time to punish the heathens..."Burn the witch" Sign me up Paulus Arlborn.. Winning half your monarch games is know where near as important as wanting to get in spirit and break out your "Witchhunter General's" anti heathen stakes and firewood (e.g. if the game inspires you then playing ability is a far less important qualification) so sign him up Paulus as the line "looks like fun" is the best entry qualification to an SG that I know!! Ralph __________________ "And let it here be noted that men are either to be kindly treated or utterly crushed, since they can revenge lighter injuries, but not heavy ones. The injury we do to a man should leave no fear of reprisals." -- Machiavelli

Mar 13, 2009, 04:01 PM	#5
PaulusIII Unholy Warlord Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,226	Don't worry Arlborn... it might be difficult but the group mind will compensate for that. Most important is, as RJ noted, that we're going to have some fun! As leader I was either thinking Izzy or Justinian. Both zealous enough for some holy war! __________________ No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Mar 13, 2009, 04:39 PM	#11
PaulusIII Unholy Warlord Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,226	Since this game is probably going to offend every single religion represented in Civ (either we'll be slaughtering them or we'll be committing atrocities in their name) I'm not too much worried about political correctness. And well... for a game which has taking religious zeal to its extremes as its objective, how can we go wrong with Izzy? Monty's a nice fit for crazy religious zeal too but he's already up in another SG I'm playing (Immortal slavers; check that one out if you want to see really crazy play and warmongering Monty-style ) so I'm a bit reluctant on using him. I must say with Izzy I always feel like having Christianity as the SR: but on Emperor getting an early religion can be difficult and Christianity is about the most-wanted religion with Choose Religion on. Still have to think of a nice way to make sure we get our religion right. __________________ No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Mar 13, 2009, 05:59 PM	#12
Liquidated Goofed Up on Cough Syrup! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Coast Nyquil Labs Posts: 2,016	If you run izzy, just re roll till you get a lake and you are in!! Hinding for the jew back up or just screw it and try for bud lite. One thing to note since in the process of playing an izzy sg, Conq's are bugged to not ignore walls/castles like cuir's do =/ Unofficial patch fixes this I'm told. Avoid econ like the plague and aim for 18 exp Artillery!!! Cheers! -Liq

Mar 14, 2009, 02:27 AM	#13
Meiz Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 1,166	Double post :\| Last edited by Meiz; Mar 14, 2009 at 02:32 AM.

Mar 14, 2009, 02:32 AM	#14
Meiz Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 1,166	I've been looking for an emperor SG with twisted variant for a while... ...so in other words, ready to burn the pagans! And as was mentioned, how can we go wrong with the spanish inquisition! Last edited by Meiz; Mar 14, 2009 at 04:05 AM.

Mar 14, 2009, 05:54 AM	#16
PaulusIII Unholy Warlord Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,226	I'd prefer not to handpick opponents but Spain on a lake sounds intrigueing __________________ No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Mar 14, 2009, 07:06 AM	#17
Meiz Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 1,166	I think we could handle the first roll, but getting early religion would make the early game more spicey . So i'm fine with rerolling a lake start.

Mar 14, 2009, 08:03 AM	#19
Arlborn Legendary Noob Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,939	Great start! I am all for an early religion and settling in place! __________________ Beep. Smoking Snakes. Economic Left/Right: -3.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92 I write so small and in lemonchiffon(lol!) because I am Roxor!

Mar 14, 2009, 08:17 AM	#20
Meiz Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 1,166	That's a nice start, definitely settle in place and head for religion. Since relogion is most likely in the bag, we should priorizite stone henge and get our shrine quickly.

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