Modifying earth 18?

Learningciv · Apr 9, 2009

I'm starting to think of playing an Earth18 game or two and I seem to recall that there is some changes to the map that people typically make, like giving HC a way out from those mountains, etc.

Anyone got a list/link of the changes that are normally made, or is the map played as default normally?

BakingTheArt · Apr 9, 2009

Usually the map is played:

HC is given a way out of the mountains, most of the time by converting a peak near the capital to a hill.
There are three desert river tiles on the outside corners of the Niger river, two on the Tiger/Euphrates, and one on the nile. I usually fix this, but some don't.
Spain and HC's starting settlers are kicked to the coast.
The peak in Panama is changed to a jungle flatland.

EDIT: I just read your sig. Your screen name is very misleading.

Learningciv · Apr 9, 2009

Yea I chose my name when I first came to the forums to get some tips. Now I can win Emp nearly all the time and Immortal way more then not

Neal · Apr 9, 2009

If you're a high level player, it's also worth Worldbuildering the AI Civs to have Archery and Archers instead of Warriors/Scouts.

Agent327 · Apr 9, 2009

Learningciv said:
I'm starting to think of playing an Earth18 game or two and I seem to recall that there is some changes to the map that people typically make, like giving HC a way out from those mountains, etc.

Anyone got a list/link of the changes that are normally made, or is the map played as default normally?

There are indeed several versions of the (Huge) Earth 18 civ map.

Rhye modified his map for RFC to include Hill exits fro the Inca, but blocking them with barb spawn spots.

Personally I intially go with any map as is, but if I'm not satisfied I may modify the map and even turn it to a scenario. (See sig below.) I preferably play on a 18 civ Huge Earth map, BTW.

dalamb · Apr 10, 2009

I'm no expert, being in the midst of my first game and having watched one other person's game, but I'd be inclined to thin out Europe a bit, put Zulus in South Africa, and maybe Khmer somewhere in Southeast Asia and Korea somewhere in Northeast Asia (not necessarily in the historically accurate positions). Absolutely no idea how it would play out.

Joecoolyo · Apr 10, 2009

dalamb said:
I'm no expert, being in the midst of my first game and having watched one other person's game, but I'd be inclined to thin out Europe a bit, put Zulus in South Africa, and maybe Khmer somewhere in Southeast Asia and Korea somewhere in Northeast Asia (not necessarily in the historically accurate positions). Absolutely no idea how it would play out.

For that you want Earth 34 :thumbsup:

dalamb · Apr 10, 2009

E34 cut down, rather than E18 modified, I think. Europe is too crowded IMHO -- though I'm happily taking advantage of that fact via a noble-level game as Isabella.

Joecoolyo · Apr 10, 2009

Well it is really crowded, though when you think about it, it was really like that in RL. And what happened as a result of the crowded Europe? Well lets ask the Aztecs, Incas, and Mayans

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dalamb · Apr 11, 2009

I was told starting in Europe in Earth 18 was pretty much equivalent to stepping down a level of difficulty, giving how vulnerable the place is to early rushes.

huerfanista · Apr 11, 2009

While you're at it, africa need to be re-done. The idea that everything south of the sahara is covered in jungle is ridiculous. The only true rain-forest/jungle in africa is in central africa/Niger and along the coast south of Mali. Most of the remainder is grassland savannah and deciduous forest.

Doing this would make africa a lot more playable.

Agent327 · Apr 11, 2009

Thanks for putting that up.

(I usually don't check terrain when modifying a map, unless there's terrain alteration required for a mod. A bit odd, as I watch documentaries on African savannah wildlife quite regularly...)

dalamb · Apr 11, 2009

Here's my attempt to fix up the Earth 18 scenario to take into account:

Allowing a passage for the Inca into the Amazon. It's about where a pre-Inca civilization had a trade route according to a History Channel show I saw earlier this year.
Modify Africa according to my reading of huerfanista's color map.
- The deserts are a lot smaller.
- The jungles are narrower, with bands of temperate forest and grassland on both sides.

Edit: updated 12 Apr 2009 16:30 PM EDT.
Edit: here are screenshots of the changes, spoilered so you don't have to see the new map if you want to be surprised.

Spoiler South America :

The pass I added is shaded light green. I considered adding a second to the NE, between the corn and the gold, but wanted to make this change minimal.

Spoiler Africa :

huerfanista · Apr 12, 2009

@dalamb
You should also add in several deer (representing the vast herds of wildebeest, antelope, etc in the african savannah), and some rice in southern Mali (representing african red rice, which is native to that part of africa) if you haven't already (I haven't opened your save yet).

Agent327 · Apr 12, 2009

dalamb said:
Here's my attempt to fix up the Earth 18 scenario to take into account:

Allowing a passage for the Inca into the Amazon. It's about where a pre-Inca civilization had a trade route according to a History Channel show I saw earlier this year.

Modify Africa according to my reading of huerfanista's color map.

The deserts are a lot smaller.

The jungles are narrower, with bands of temperate forest and grassland on both sides.

Actually, savannah doesn't equal grassland, but rather they are like plains with rather sparse trees.

Otherwise, good job! (You should put it up in the Civ4 - Earthmaps database.)

Harv · Apr 12, 2009

huerfanista said:
@dalamb
You should also add in several deer (representing the vast herds of wildebeest, antelope, etc in the african savannah), and some rice in southern Mali (representing african red rice, which is native to that part of africa) if you haven't already (I haven't opened your save yet).

Don't all those Barbarian Wild Animals represent those vast herds well enough?

:rotfl:

huerfanista · Apr 12, 2009

JEELEN said:
Actually, savannah doesn't equal grassland, but rather they are like plains with rather sparse trees.

Otherwise, good job! (You should put it up in the Civ4 - Earthmaps database.)

Don't get too caught up in the language. The american heartland is technically "plains", but have you looked at NA on this map? Grasslands. In civ, the difference between plains and grassland is one of :food:

, and I believe the african savannahs have to be considered very :food:

rich. The annual rainfall is similar to that of Wisconsin in the US, so I think that grassland is entirely appropriate.

From blueplanetbiomes.org:

The African Savanna biome is a tropical grassland in Africa between latitude 15° North and 30 degrees S and longitude 15 degrees W and 40° West. It covers Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Cote D'ivore, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Angola, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Botswana, and South Africa.

Annual rainfall in the African Savanna is about the same as that of Wisconsin. During the rainy season, beginning in May and ending in November, they get fifteen to twenty-five inches of rain a month. In the dry season they only get about four inches of rain. The dry season occurs more then seven months of the year, from October to March in the southern hemisphere and April to September in the northern hemisphere. The dry season comes in the low sun period and the wet season comes in the high sun period. They have a wet-dry tropical climate.

A rolling grassland dotted with trees is one way to define the African Savanna. The African Savanna is a thornbush savanna, which has many different kinds of plants such as acacia Senegal, candelabra tree, jackalberry tree, umbrella thorn acacia, whistling thorn, Bermuda grass, baobabs, and elephant grass. The Serengeti Plains are a grass savanna that has very dry but nutrient-rich volcanic sand. Around 2 million large plant-eating mammals live in the savanna. There are 45 species of mammals, almost 500 species of birds, and 55 species of acacia in the Serengeti Plains. There are animals such as lions, African wildcats, klipspringer, steenbok, Burchell's zebra, African Savanna monitor, and puff adders. They have the largest diversity of hoofed animals in the world including antelopes, wildebeest, buffalos, zebras, and rhinoceros.

cujo376 · Apr 12, 2009

If i wanted to take out some of the earth 18 civs and add in others how would i do that? Like how would i make an earth map like the one neal is currently playing for KOTW?

huerfanista · Apr 12, 2009

cujo376 said:
If i wanted to take out some of the earth 18 civs and add in others how would i do that? Like how would i make an earth map like the one neal is currently playing for KOTW?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=317195

cujo376 · Apr 12, 2009

sweet,thanks alot

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