Role Play Challenge: Honest Abe Loves NY!

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Welcome all to my next RPC game, a One City Challenge (OCC) where Lincoln must win the game via a Space Race. That is a whole lotta production and science from one city, let's see if NY is as great a city as they say!

A straight foreward RPC, with straightforeward rules

1) It's a One City Challenge (OCC). For those not familiar with these, we cannot build settlers nor capture enemy cities (they autoraze). To offset this we are allowed to build up to 5 national wonders.

2) Washington MUST be renamed New York, simply because it's the greatest town in the world!

3) Space is the final frontier and where old Abe is heading! We can only accept a space race win!

Monarch Difficulty
Marathon Speed
Big/Little Map


The leader of this fine city

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And the start

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Not all that much except some pigs (and let's hope no swine flu with them!) and silk. Perhaps we have some hidden resources.

We start with agriculture and fishing, so I gues AH is first priority.
 
@ madscientist

I assume you are fixing the duplicate leader pics in Post #1 while I am typing this.
 
nbcman said:
@ madscientist

I assume you are fixing the duplicate leader pics in Post #1 while I am typing this.
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Nah, I thought everyone loves Abe so much that they wanted to see more of him!;)

Pic correction underway!
 
Will Abe have to build the NYC Wonders-Wall Street, SoL and Broadway? No UN though.

Edit: Not a very good starting position. Silk isn't a good resource to have in your BFC since the silk will only be a 1 :food: 1 :hammers: and 4 or 5 :commerce: tile. Other than the Pigs, pretty food poor. Hopefully there is something good hidden in the fog of your BFC.

Edit2: I'd send the warrior 1NE to see if there is anything good to the north. If not, settle 1S to gain the unforested grassland hill (hopefully with a resource) in your BFC.
 
Yay for another Madscientist RPC! Hopefully this will turn out better than the last two...
Should be fun.
 
nbcman said:
Will Abe have to build the NYC Wonders-Wall Street, SoL and Broadway? No UN though.

Edit: Not a very good starting position. Silk isn't a good resource to have in your BFC since the silk will only be a 1 :food: 1 :hammers: and 4 or 5 :commerce: tile. Other than the Pigs, pretty food poor. Hopefully there is something good hidden in the fog of your BFC.

Edit2: I'd send the warrior 1NE to see if there is anything good to the north. If not, settle 1S to gain the unforested grassland hill (hopefully with a resource) in your BFC.
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Actually, no to the NY wonders. I plan to play this as well as possible and win the damned thing. The past two RPCs have made me a little hungry for a win, and this is a tough one.
 
Since its marathon and OCC wouldnt it be wise to explore for a few turns before settling NY? I love OCCs so I will definitely shadow this.

Also, which 5 national wonders are worth it? I assume Oxford, Wall street, National Park, Globe Theatre and National Epic? Maybe Ironworks instead since we are going for space?
 
Substitute the NP for Ironworks. We need production more than specialists.
 
I-imp said:
Substitute the NP for Ironworks. We need production more than specialists.
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Ironworks + NP are a fine combo, along with National Epic, Globe Theatre and Oxford. You lose -50% ironworks production, yes, but without it you'll be swamped in factory/coal plant/ironworks unhealthiness.

Somewhat poor starting position... plans suck. You might want to beeline caste system/guilds for good workshops.
 
I disagree with both of you, why is wall street on the list? in a OCC in which you aren't going conquesting (and even then usually) you will have a 100% science slider, Wall street just isn't worth it as the gold gained is negligible, while NP imo is probably the best wonder for a OCC ( tied with globe) as it allows you to grow as far as you can on your tiles without needs for resources (which are sparse in a OCC)
With NP you can even sell your health resources for gold or military resources to other civs which is a much greater benefit in terms of gold than Wall Street alone. Same thing with happiness resources once globe is up

Oxford, IW, National Park, Globe Theatre, and National Epic is my preferred national wonder collection for OCC

Oxford gives 100% beaker boost, IW will be necessary to keep up production, National park gives you all the health you will ever need, GT takes care of happiness, and NE gets you your great people fast(Great people = power in OCC)

My general strat in OCC is to wonderspam, settle all GP (except for one scientist who academies, however if you are going for space I guess a GA or two at the end would help) with Representation and you are getting serious beakers/turn

I farm and mine everything period(well I save my forests as I am going to build NP) as my goal is to get as many GP as fast as I can into my city as they provide the bulk of my production and research.

Also I would consider settling 1W for some more hills + grassland guranteed, which will help with initial wonderspam
 
Marathon OCC I'd definitely consider moving around. Plains are horrible, but unless if you want to wander for a long time, you'll probably have to live with them.

I'd wait to see the land before deciding on National Wonders. If you have coal but no aluminum, it'd probably be worth not building the National Park to be able to get Aluminum Co.

Keep as many forests inside your BFC as you can if you do plan on going for the National Park. You save lots of hammers not building settlers or workers (you'll build one, maybe 2 all game).
 
What about corps in this game? Could they help a bit? I never really play OCC so I don't know.
 
Stewie0416 said:
What about corps in this game? Could they help a bit? I never really play OCC so I don't know.
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Corps will be useful for oil or aluminum.

You may want to sheckout teh two earlier OCC RPCs. The Agustus and Stalin games, both a success! Abe has alot to live up to.

Regarding national wonders, I think I will prioritize them as follow

NE
OX
GT

The rest depends on resources, but if we can get coal and iron

IW

The last is either the NP or HE depending on neighbors. I am NOT letting Shaka into New York!
 
I think you can do without HE. In most of my monarch OCC games my troop making capabilities are fine without it. Especially since you're going space. I don't play on marathon though, where getting to 1 unit/turn is probably harder, so I guess you have to consider that as well.

I'd definitely look around. In a OCC, I think it's worth 4 or 5 marathon turns to look around for a better site.
 
Yea! OCC. Going to wander a bit. That start position is fugly for a OCC.

Thanks for hosting as always, Mad.

cas
 
A small amount of scouting revealed in spoiler thats not avaible on turn 1

Spoiler :
I chose to settle 1W for the following reason.
*Turns one of the plains tiles into a 2f tile, and a 2c city tile.
*Ocean to the east, land to the west. I wanted a higher chance of border pops revealing resources.
*1 extra hill which will help fuel early production.
 
Till 1700 AD or so.
Spoiler :

I decided to spent the first few turns exploring, and it turns out the starting spot si actually the best one around. So I went back to the original position and settled there, wasting some turns in the process :sad:
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I spent a ridiculous amount of turns building the pyramids but the Representation and GE points were definitely worth it.
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Buddhism spreads to my lands soon after, making what I assumed was our continent, all buddhists. This lends itself to a peaceful game, which I was most pleased to see. (Although Im not quite sure its a viable strategy.)
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I decided to go the National Park route and kept around all the forests, which gave me just a few tiles to improve until scientific method. That of course meant I teched very slowly and soon the gifts started coming.
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I went for Aesthetics, aiming for Parthenon and later Great Library. Pyramids came through and gave me a GE which one-turned GL. I finished the Parthenon few turns later.
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More gifts, which I didnt understand since by that time I was at least at tech-parity, and soon afterwards I got Civil Service which at the time I was the only one to have. I assumed Asoka built Paya since he was no longer a buddhist.
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By the time I got the paper I was obviously the only one heading the Paper-Edu-Lib line. I was reluctant to trade it around since I wanted to guarantee myself Lib and there were no other techs I particularly needed.
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Asoka and Haniball grew somewhat large and something needed to be done about them. I was first to Lib but decided against finishing just yet, since I wanted to take a good tech from it.
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Paper and Education went quickly though, so I didnt have time to research Gunpowder/Chemistry, which made me get Printing Press from Lib (I was afraid someone would beat me to it).
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Not much happened then, I Forest Preserved most of my BFC to grab a lot of specialist (I plan to convert them to Workshops when hammers are more needed for parts).
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I got monopoly on Biology which no one seems to want to research and I got a war between Asoka and Hanibal going.
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Unfortunately, Hanibal vassalized Asoka few hundred years later. He has now around 4000 score and is at tech parity. Im a bit afraid that he will pass me research-wise and I certainly cant compete with him when it comes to building parts speed. Im researching at around 900 beakers per turn. Should I start amassing an army?
 
Thats a fairly weak OCC start, its really short on food. Looks to have enough hammers though but the key will be lots of research from your specialists

I think the NP is essential for this one, 1 free specialist per forest is a lot of specialists and in a food poor city that will make a big difference

I think I'd settle 1W it gets you an extra gold (I think) and gains you a grassland square, though I would want to check for resources in the fog to the East first.

then my early plan would be to grab the mids and get an early lib for a quick academy

Loki is right about the national wonders: Ox, NE, GT, NP are essential only build IW if you have iron though. and of course pray for aluminium!

you might want to take a look at this thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=315351
Its a recent HOF gauntlet where the goal was OCC space. It was on quick speed though

EDIT: one other point, I find the AI usually gets towards winning before I've launched so you'll probably need to delay them in some way. I'd try to start a few big wars whilst staying out of them
 
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