Monarch Student XXII - Huayna Capac

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Ai Shizuka

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OMG Huayna. Yes, Ind is the least played trait in the MS games (only 2 Ind leaders so far) and we already had USA, China, Egypt, France, Germany and Russia. So the Ind leaders of those civs are out for now. This leaves me with Augustus and Huayna. The current Immortal Uni has Rome, so it's Huayna time here.

Of course, I've rigged the map to prevent Quechua abuse.

Leader:

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UU. Maybe someone will quechua rush on this map, but you won't win the game with 4 capitals in the BCs here:

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UB adds a little bit of Creative to mr. Capac.

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And the christmas start:

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Barbs on, events OFF. Starting units and techs should be ok for any level above monarch. Any problem with the save, let me know.
 

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Hunting doesn't obsolete our UU! Good thing, too.

The quecha will still see solid use here, since it's also a wrecking ball against barbs.

I'll be settling in place.
 
I'll be surprised if someone does the same thing I did, since I never see it.

IMM/Normal

To 350 AD

Spoiler :


Settled in place. I went worker first researching hunting. Popped some techs from huts (wheel and agriculture IIRC...or maybe the 2nd one finished hunting, I forget). We meet stalin early, but I didn't go for quecha cheese rush since we were led to believe that it wouldn't work. In retrospect I see what host meant ----> you are only going to get 1 capitol that way.

Anyway my timing was off and on immortal if I'd gone quechas after meeting stalin and finding him, he might have had axes if he had copper. Screw that. So instead of early cheese, I settled both initial cities near him on hills, attacko style (minus the hill cottages, that is).

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I didn't settle a copper city, so instead I went for iron working. I started prepping a SWORD RUSH!!! Then, I saw something cute:

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My thoughts exactly, commy.

Whoa! He hits fast!

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Cmon, seriously? He just got metal (iron on his back side of empire, dammit), but his buildup was non-metal, so he hits me with an utterly pathetic stack. On top of that, I had 3 archers that would make it into that city before he could attack it. The results of attacking a hill 40% city against 1 promo archers with anything below swords isn't pretty:

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He would be willing to take peace after that, but why waste the chance for some cities and tech ;)?

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To just after lib race (the 1200's AD)

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Taoism not founded yet? Well, I was going to go academy but this is probably more valuable.

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Stalin was crippled due to the core cities I took, but now he's settled/developed some more and I can take them.

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Once more, with gusto!

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Note as I declare, that since other than the 1st buildup I wasn't selling out on war, I've been keeping up.

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Lose circum

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Win lib.

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Bye uncle joe commy.

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Hammy is pretty big. I'm thinking about just finishing my democracy run, then going free market/speech + US/emancipation, staying OR to spread some religions (I have buddhism, taoism, islam, and christianity) and then going FR for diplo and shooting to culture. If I can get a fair trade w/ the hamster he'll get to pleased where he doesn't declare, and the others aren't too scary. Nobody is supa speed teching so I should be ok to just amble around with 500 cpt in 3 cities, winning culture on turn 300 something.
 
^

Spoiler :
I . .. .. .. .ed it up somewhere then. Stalin wasn't supposed to be there. I've replaced him with Hammu. Or I thought I did. Oh well.


Edit:

Spoiler :

Ok, I see what happened. I regenerated a few times to get an island with 2 civs but not isolated from the rest of the world and saved. Then replaced Hamm with Stalin, but forgot to overwrite the save.

 
Ai Shizuka said:
^

Spoiler :
I . .. .. .. .ed it up somewhere then. Stalin wasn't supposed to be there. I've replaced him with Hammu. Or I thought I did. Oh well.
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Spoiler :
Lots can go wrong with an early quecha shot regardless...at least on immortal. Stalin actually settled a copper city but didn't get a border pop on it in my game. In my case, it turned moot since we both had iron, but in others if they don't hit that (hill!) city PRONTO with quechas it's going to take a choke job or more than just a warrior UU to make progress.

A slower speed will make it a cakewalk though.

Keep in mind that even hammy isn't a shoo-in vs quechas. Quechas still get a built-in 50% after the bonuses cancel, in other words they're just down a first strike but cheaper and start w/ combat I. 3-4 of those choking even hammy and it's GFG ---> entire island is easy enough to hold. Quechachoke in a 1:1 situation would beat hammy on anything but deity most likely.

I think people who struggle on their level won't have it TOO easy here. I'm getting better on immortal, which is why I could get away with using stock, non aggressive swordsmen to panse an AGG leader with a high unitprob and hold up in tech.

Hill cities vs the AI in early wars are just :p
 
I gave this a go on immortal/normal. No screenshots but I'll add later.

Spoiler :

I settled 1 south of the start in order to take advantage of the plains hill, and I immediately started producing quechuas in 4 turns after meeting Stalin close by. I ended up taking 4 quechuas to face Moscow's 2 archers (I knew there would only be 2 archers since Stalin had taken out a settler with 2 archers by this point) and captured the city. As of now, it's about 1800 BC ish and I've got Stonehenge in Moscow which is causing cultural pressure on St. Petersburg, the last Russian city remaining. He's got 4 archers, so my quechas will have a hard time. I'm now producing barracks-enhanced chariots to take down St. Petersburg while my 4 quechas choke the city. Also, in my capital, I'm making a settler for the silver site to get some much needed commerce.
 
I'd love to play this game. But I can't. I've posted a thread before asking, "Every time I try to load a training game it just loads up warlords/bts and nothing is there. I've checked load game, single player, PLEASE HELP!!!"
 
Just double click the actual save file in Windows. It will automatically start BtS for you.

...

Anyway, my first real post here, just got a new desktop and 30" monitor so Civ is a thing of beauty. My wife thinks otherwise, but c'est la vie.

I wanted to thank the local residents for the amount they've taught me, and for the amount of work hours they've helped me burn. Attacko's my favorite. :scan:

Spoiler :
I played this last night, took screen caps and notes, but they're at home and I'm at work so I'll just summarize my game for now.

Monarch / Epic

Met Stalin, surprised to find a non-Protective, non-defensive UU AI with a non-hilled capitol.

Anyway, I grew my cap, pumped out Quechas, and took down Stalin's two cities pretty quickly. Filled out the continent with 14 cities by about 1AD, won the Lib race and took Nationalism.

I built the Oracle (very late, surprisingly) once I got marble hooked up, took CoL, founded Confucianism. I was also one turn short of getting Taoism. Was a pretty lazy game on my part, I'm a fledgling Emperor player and HC is pretty unfair for me on Monarch.

Anyway, I'm at about 1000AD right now, wondering what to do. I may invade the ever backwards Toku at some point, or I may just bunker down and go for a Space or Culture win. I'm fairly level w/ everyone power-wise, and I'm tied or slightly behind the two tech leaders, Darius and Hannibal (no surprises there).

I guess I'll post a proper recap with pictures and detail over the weekend.
 
CivIVMonger said:
It STARTS BTS, it just doesn't load the INDIVIDUAL GAME.
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That's pretty unusual. If you put this in your WB save folder you should be able to play it as a custom scenario no problems...assuming you unzip it.
 
PLayed to 200AD on monarch/normal, pretty good so far.

->200AD
Spoiler :

- Settled in place, 3 deer plus lots of grassland rivers and a few hills, good beuracracy capital. Went hunting, mining, bw, popped wheel from a hut, pottery, AH, writing. Worker -> quecha -> quecha -> quecha -> settler.
- Settled above right to grab copper+pigs, then to the left for the lovely looking fish/pig/silver site, finally top left to cut off the land for stalin.

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- Now since my tech rate is lovely from silver + riverside cottages, beelined construction for axe/catapult attack. Sent a nice big stack of cats/axes to the shockinlgy undefended russian cities, took the closest two (St. petersburg being a pretty decent looking HE city) plus the capital with ease, sued for peace bringing me 3 backfill techs plus some gold. Stack below:

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- Went into my civics screen and to my delight all of the leftmost civics are open, have inadvertendly stolen pyramids, nice! Switch to representation and crank up a few scientists to take advantage. Now its 200AD, just pumping out workers to improve all this land aorund my 7 cities, room for one more city to the right to take clam/incense.

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Going pretty well so far! Stalin is tucked away on the upper left of the island for later conquering at my leisure. Was going to run a mostly cottage economy but due to the nice pyramids surprise it will be a hybrid of sorts I think.


Edit: One thing after reading TMIT's report; would it be more effective to go for swords over axes around 1AD time for taking cities?

Successfully posted screenshots now :D
 
Ah right, thanks, I've found some in a screenshots folder, was trying to paste them in paint before to no avail.
 
Inso said:
PLayed to 200AD on monarch/normal, pretty good so far.

->200AD
Spoiler :

- Settled in place, 3 deer plus lots of grassland rivers and a few hills, good beuracracy capital. Went hunting, mining, bw, popped wheel from a hut, pottery, AH, writing. Worker -> quecha -> quecha -> quecha -> settler.

- Settled above right to grab copper+pigs, then to the left for the lovely looking fish/pig/silver site, finally top left to cut off the land for stalin.

- Now since my tech rate is lovely from silver + riverside cottages, beelined construction for axe/catapult attack. Sent a nice stack of 5 cats/10axes to the shockinlgy undefended russian cities, took the closest two (one being an awesome looking HE city) plus the capital with ease, sued for peace bringing me 3 backfill techs plus some gold.

- Went into my civics screen and to my delight all of the leftmost civics are open, have inadvertendly stolen pyramids, nice! Switch to representation and crank up a few scientists to take advantage. Now its 200AD, just pumping out workers to improve all this land aorund my 7 cities, room for one more city to the right to take clam/incense.

Going pretty well so far! Stalin is tucked away on the upper left of the island for later conquering at my leisure. Was going to run a mostly cottage economy but due to the nice pyramids surprise it will be a hybrid of sorts I think.


Can't seem to figure out how to take screenies, my printscrn key doesn't work, is there another way?

Edit: One thing after reading TMIT's report; would it be more effective to go for swords over axes around 1AD time for taking cities?
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You probably won't find many sword fans outside of Roman/Celtic players (and possibly Aztec). Still, the AI doesn't produce counter units in force regardless of what you choose, making HA's and Swords good in SP. In particular, swords are far superior to the most typical defender for the AI ---> archers. They ARE somewhat gimped by axes but on defensive terrain they do ok, and of all the units vs city combos, swords will be the most effective on average...they do better against their counter than other units and are far superior vs anything else.

But, they're more expensive and later. Normally I don't use them due to the delay getting there, but in my game once I got to the point I wanted to fight, it made sense.
 
Immortal/Normal, 450 BC

Spoiler :

With enough Chariots (and aided by an act of stupidity by Stalin when he took 2 archers out of his last city), I captured St. Petersburg and had the whole island to expand on. I cottaged, expanded, grew my population, and met other civs. I was behind but with enough tech trading (especially when I discover philosophy with my great scientist ... next turn) I'll jump back in the lead. By 450 AD I have control of my whole continent and am leading in GNP by 50% of the 2nd person when at 100% research (with about 250 beakers). I'm going for a space race win. I consider this a win if you have control of the continent and you can fend off any invasions.

Note: I built the National Epic in the silver/fish/sheep site. I'm also about halfway through Civil Service right now.
 
Monarch/Normal 1160 AD

Spoiler :


Early war followed by SH, TGW, Mids, Oracle. Mildly settled the land to 1 AD. Obviously we have no neighbors so teching is a bit slower.

Other wonders include TGL, SOZ, Sankore, Parthenon, and I'm about to finish up Taj. National wonders are NE (before 1AD) and Oxford, around 1140 AD.

My tech path was through Priesthood, Writing, CoL (Oracle), Poly, Aest, Lit, Math, IW, Drama, Alpha, Currency, CaL, Music, Philo, CS, MC, Paper, ED, Nationalism, Machinery, towards Astronomy. I'm planning on an expensive free tech for Lib - perhaps Physics because everyone is backwards that I have met.

I've had the capital and stalins old capital work as duel GPFs for GPP, settling, and some reasonable beakers from Rep scientist. Other cities have been working a lonely amount of cottages and helping with production.

I hate ocean and navies (on this game anyways PTO is different!) so I'm sure I'll just camp out and launch a space ship.

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DMOC
Spoiler :
That would be a very poor choice therefore the answer is obviously No =D. I've only been able to trade for 2 additionally happiness resources and our island is suffering from many resources ourself. Even after markets/grocers I will need more happiness (even know I am using the slider).

After Biology and once emancipation starts to kick in I'll need every happy face I can get. This means I will never be running Free Speech. I'm sure I'll be in Representation, Nationhood, Caste, Free Market, and Pacifism, just like I am right now, while running 20-30% slider late game.

Additionally, I'll be losing quite a few GPs for cottages which make a huge difference the more you settle. I'm sure I'll have a 1000 beaker city before I launch. Further, REP scientist are free from the slider early when I needed them the most.

So that should answer the question for ya.
 
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