Earliest Liberalism Date Ever

DMOC

DMOC

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Just wondering, but what's the earliest Liberalism date you or the AI have gotten?

In this game (which my brother hand-crafted for me), Darius I got Liberalism in 400 AD. (Deity)

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The funny thing is, Mansa could have researched Liberalism close to 1 AD but decided to research completely different techs. :confused: He could research Lib in 2 turns (normal speed) at his rate.

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That's so crazy. I don't know how you guys play friggin' deity. It looks downright STRESSFUL. I'm still always the first to liberalism and I usually get it between 900-1100AD
 
DMOC said:
Just wondering, but what's the earliest Liberalism date you or the AI have gotten?

In this game (which my brother hand-crafted for me), Darius I got Liberalism in 400 AD. (Deity)

Civ4ScreenShot0376.jpg


The funny thing is, Mansa could have researched Liberalism close to 1 AD but decided to research completely different techs. :confused: He could research Lib in 2 turns (normal speed) at his rate.

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I always assumed lib was researched much earlier in Deity games anyway. Not quite ready for that challenge yet.
 
This game was probably miles harder than any reg, deity game. My brother put me on a continent with monty, sitting bull, and toku and gave me the crappiest land ever while giving Mansa his own continent with Gandhi, Elizabeth, and Darius. :mad: Not going to finish this of course (especially since Mansa just started a golden age).
 
God mother of SATAN! Lulz your brother is such a jokester
 
In the game I just finished I got it at 450AD (Deity, Standard Tectonics). Ridiculous group-hug techbrokering going on and I believe 3-5 Civs were researching Lib at the time. For the final stretch I had my whole nation building Research and put every possible citizen working at the labs, to the point of starvation. I was sure an AI would beat me to it by 1-2 turns, glad it didn't happen :)
 
Difficulty-adjusted the time Pacal won it at 600 AD in LHC Louis at EMPEROR was probably the most staggering.

But earliest overall? In standard games or in general? Deity teamers can allow it to go really, really early. People playing HoF settler launch the spaceship in the BCs so I'm willing to bet they got something with lib. I've seen it out of the AI ~500 AD a number of times on deity. My best ever is probably 600 something AD.

But the difficulty one plays, as well as the speed, can drastically affect this. My 600 AD time was on normal. If I were on marathon it would be before 400 AD guaranteed for the same game...
 
Yeah it changes a lot with difficulty. I think its harder to get it earlier on lower levels because of the lack of trade opportunities. To answer the question, I have seen Lib go ~350AD on Deity. Itn a recent game with Justinian and a really good GP farm I could have taken it around this period but postponed for a good tech.

yared94 said:
How do you see the AI's bpt?
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You can't really. He's just seeing the AI's research with espionage.
 
Flying Pig said:
I wish the developers made it so that you discovered techs at about the 'right' time
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Average-beginner level players usually discover techs around the right time. If they made it so Deity level players did that most people wouldn't even be close to finishing the tree by 2050.
 
Like TMIT said, some of the lower-level HoF games have ridiculous Lib dates.

http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/game_info.php?show=playerlog&dsply=0&entryID=4232

around 800bc i think.
i usually get there ~1000ad playing on noble. i remember a thread a few months ago asking about getting lib from the oracle. a lot of the really good HoF players could accomplish that on the bottom levels i bet. (does the oracle typically go before 1000bc on settler with handpicked opponents?)
 
Team games also sometimes crank up the research, even though bulbing is less effective. In an older coop game with 2 player teams an AI Pericles/Pacal got Lib at 60AD.
 
415 AD for the AI two immortal universities ago. In my last game I played as Darius and could have taken it just before 500 AD.
 
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