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[img=right]http://www.civfanatics.com/images/misc/minilogo_quattro.jpg[/img]The Civilization IV Hall of Fame has been updated. 137 games were accepted since the previous update.

Congratulations to The-Hawk for the highest score of the update with a Huge Prince Domination game for 1,272,227 points.

pholtz was the most active player during this update, submitting 12 games.

Only 6 players were brave enough to take on Deity this update
Almond submitted a 2875 BC Duel Deity Conquest game for 52714 points
Alraun submitted a 1905 AD Large Deity Space Colony game for 22364 points
ilgari submitted a 1450 BC Tiny Deity Conquest game for 141809 points
Infantry#14 submitted a 1805 AD Duel Deity Cultural game for 57449 points
Misotu submitted a 1750 BC Tiny Deity Religious game for 36658 points and a 1470 AD Tiny Deity Diplomatic game for 40449 points and a 1440 AD Tiny Deity Diplomatic game for 44037 points and a Jan 2050 AD Tiny Deity Time game for 54249 points and a 1720 BC Tiny Deity Religious game for 39890 points
WastinTime submitted a 1526 AD Large Deity Space Race game for 35338 points and a 1485 AD Standard Deity Space Colony game for 55575 points​
Gauntlet Info:

G-Major 58 - Time, Noble, Huge, Epic - Any Starting Era
1st phanc 28,461 pts
2nd KingMorgan 14,390 pts
3rd donsig 7111 pts

G-Minor 80 - Cultural, Monarch, Standard, Quick on Boreal
1st karmina 1280 AD
2nd kovacsflo 1320 AD
3rd WastinTime 1380 AD

** New Gauntlets Starting **
G-Minor 81 - Domination, Warlord, Small, Quick on Terra with Peter
G-Major 59 - Conquest, Emperor, Standard, Epic with (OCC, Raging Barbs, Always War)
 
A number of players gained number one positions:
Alraun with a 1905 AD Large Deity Space Colony game for 22364 points.
Misotu with a 1440 AD Tiny Deity Diplomatic game for 44037 points.
WastinTime with a 1526 AD Large Deity Space Race game for 35338 points.
WastinTime with a 1485 AD Standard Deity Space Colony game for 55575 points.

babaBrian with a 360 BC Duel Immortal Religious game for 31879 points.

AgedOne with a 1910 AD Standard Emperor Space Colony game for 18256 points.
babaBrian with a 80 AD Duel Emperor Religious game for 20912 points.
kcd_swede with a 1702 AD Tiny Emperor Cultural game for 57849 points.

babaBrian with a 400 BC Tiny Monarch Religious game for 12203 points.
babaBrian with a 440 BC Duel Monarch Religious game for 20715 points.
ChrisFromLux with a Jan 2050 AD Tiny Monarch Time game for 20424 points.
karmina with a 1280 AD Standard Monarch Cultural game for 57858 points.
kcd_swede with a 1715 AD Small Monarch Cultural game for 33907 points.
ryzax with a 1160 AD Huge Monarch Cultural game for 181029 points.
ryzax with a 1544 AD Huge Monarch Space Colony game for 158529 points.

babaBrian with a 400 BC Tiny Noble Religious game for 17769 points.
kcd_swede with a 1822 AD Small Noble Space Race game for 31669 points.
mycivs with a 1755 AD Huge Noble Cultural game for 15748 points.
phanc with a Jan 2050 AD Huge Noble Time game for 28461 points.

babaBrian with a 1240 BC Small Warlord Domination game for 47736 points.
babaBrian with a 120 BC Small Warlord Religious game for 13994 points.
cetti with a Jan 2050 AD Large Warlord Time game for 5756 points.
cetti with a 1920 AD Large Warlord Space Colony game for 24866 points.
pagh with a 1300 AD Standard Warlord Space Colony game for 204414 points.
pagh with a 1145 AD Huge Warlord Space Colony game for 216412 points.
pagh with a 1205 AD Small Warlord Space Colony game for 183978 points.
pagh with a 1195 AD Large Warlord Space Colony game for 182521 points.

babaBrian with a 675 BC Small Chieftain Religious game for 12596 points.
babaBrian with a 400 BC Small Chieftain Religious game for 11021 points.
LordoftheCats with a 1650 AD Small Chieftain Space Colony game for 57807 points.

EGJ with a 1405 AD Tiny Settler Space Race game for 17949 points.
EGJ with a 440 BC Large Settler Conquest game for 31325 points.
EGJ with a 110 AD Standard Settler Diplomatic game for 21193 points.
EGJ with a 1605 AD Standard Settler Space Race game for 15371 points.
EGJ with a 590 AD Large Settler Diplomatic game for 12395 points.
EGJ with a 895 BC Standard Settler Conquest game for 22914 points.
EGJ with a 470 AD Small Settler Diplomatic game for 15543 points.
EGJ with a 230 AD Tiny Settler Diplomatic game for 21627 points.
iggymnrr with a 490 AD Large Settler Space Colony game for 123114 points.
iggymnrr with a 785 AD Standard Settler Space Colony game for 118988 points.
Infantry#14 with a 710 AD Tiny Settler Cultural game for 55669 points.
pholtz with a 3725 BC Duel Settler Conquest game for 5049 points.
pholtz with a 3700 BC Tiny Settler Conquest game for 8471 points.
​
 
Denniz said:
[img=right]Congratulations to The-Hawk for the highest score of the update with a Huge Prince Domination game for 1,272,227 points.
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This game wasn't a #1 for its VC, but that's because the goal was obviously score. I consider this the greatest score achievement ever, on any difficulty. It also shows that the theoretical 2 million is probably doable on Immortal or Deity.
 
Score games on Huge maps require a huge time. So it's the main limit. I think 1.5M or even 2M are available for Prince also.
 
I made some calculations - 1M is ok for Small Prince game, but Huge map has double potential against Small (3+ times more lands but only ~1.5 times less pop score multiplier for finish near turn 650 - 1510AD on Marathon).
 
WastinTime said:
This game wasn't a #1 for its VC, but that's because the goal was obviously score. I consider this the greatest score achievement ever, on any difficulty. It also shows that the theoretical 2 million is probably doable on Immortal or Deity.
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Thanks WT.

Yes, this score could be improved easily, it really was a mediocre map (sushi-wise). My 1 Mn noble game had way more sushi resources, but I was still figuring out how to really milk so I didn't really take advantage of it (too many mistakes).

RE: Your comment on Immortal/Deity. Does score get modified based on level? If so, what is the math?

The biggest challenge I've had has been crashes... after submitting this game, I had an excellent emperor-level game going, pretty sure I would have smoked this score. Then had a game crash and lost it all. Probably 50-60 hours of game time down the tubes :mad:

Dynamic, the biggest limiting factor in these games is Corp execs. You can only have 5 at a time, so it takes many turns to spread on a huge map. Very hard to finish early.
 
I was going to say the same thing about huge maps. Spreading so many cities/corps is tough. There's an old thread where I tried to argue that Huge is the wrong map to attempt highest score. I never had the patience to try and prove my point...or figure out which map size is best.

RE: score and difficulty,
It's 20% more score each level. So score multiplier on Noble is 1.0, prince 1.2, deity 2.0, etc.
 
Nice tool, thanks for posting.

The multiplier for level makes for some interesting trade-offs. I suppose Deity will ultimately provide the highest score, but who knows? IMHO, Mids are huge in these games, also rapid expansion. Maybe Immortal will be the sweet spot.

My limited experience with mapsize says Huge is best. I tried one small noble game and was not able to come close to 1 Mn. I've been able to keep the rate of corp expansion high enough to allow me to spread them to all cities without eroding score. This makes the extra cities available on Huge worthwhile. But I understand WT's arguments and this was just a single game test. Problem is there are so many moving parts that I don't know how to really come to a firm conlusion.

In spite of the obvious incentive to go to highest levels, I'm going to try emperor first. The top score on the emperor table is begging to be improved. Also allows me to continue to refine my strategies.

Immortal after that unless game crashes finally frustrate me too much. Between my lost emperor game and an earlier lost prince game, my success rate is not good.
 
You should be able to get one crash/game and still have it accepted. There was a discussion on this not too long ago. A marathon Time game might (should) be allowed a 2nd crash even.
 
WastinTime said:
You should be able to get one crash/game and still have it accepted. There was a discussion on this not too long ago. A marathon Time game might (should) be allowed a 2nd crash even.
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The problem is these turns are so long. In my prince game, I think I needed to make something like 30-40 actions in trying to reconstruct the turn it crashed. I ran that crash by Denniz, his opinion is there was too much replaying even within that one turn. I have no problem with that opinion, almost impossible for me to be sure I replayed everything the same. The emperor crash was similar, came late in a long turn (I did not even take that one to Denniz).
 
8039 total games are in the HOF table. Previously, there were 7973.
66 previously empty HOF slots were filled this update.
41 games were bumped out of the HOF Tables this update.
46.52% (8039/17280***) of the HOF entries are filled. Previously, 46.14% were filled.
499 players are represented in the HOF Tables. Previously, there were 498.
736 players have submitted games. Previously, there were 732.

***Accounting not entirely accurate because of score victory condition.
 
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