Unrestricted leaders: Best combo?

Tamed · Sep 29, 2009, 06:46 AM

Can anyone think of a leader\nation that'd work really well together?

And by really well, I don't mean picking those super early game units that replace the warrior, I mean a nation that'd continually be useful! =) And by that I also DON'T mean that the unit has to be end-game. Just something more useful than a newbie rush strategy unit.

Also, is anyone disappointed that no nation gets a unique settler? Maybe a settler that could move an extra space per turn, or ignore movement penelties would've been cooler than some of the existing units.

Civman33 · Sep 29, 2009, 07:03 AM

It depends, what kind of?

If military, i'd say Boudica of Rome. Combat I praetorians with promo discount gives a HUGE bonus over the enemy.

Economy? Huayna of America late game. But that's just me. Malls provide a nice gold boost along with extra happiness from hits, and his traits are just great for alot of gold.

Research? Elizabeth of Russia or France. The Salon and Research Center provide extra beakers and if that weren't enough, her traits make Elizabeth of France/Russia a good combo.

Tamed · Sep 29, 2009, 07:06 AM

Hehe thanks for the info! I still don't exactly understand how commerce quite works in the game, aside from more gold coins = more gold.. but it doesn't effect production at all, right?

TheMeInTeam · Sep 29, 2009, 07:40 AM

Joao of Inca

Hammy of Sumeria

Napoleon of Mongolia

Churchill of Mali (Charlemagne isn't bad either)

AGG leader of Rome

ORG leaders of the civs with courthouse UB's

Note that darius of persia, JC of rome, the egyptians, and huayna of inca compete pretty well with the above and are not unrestricted...

TheLazyHase · Sep 29, 2009, 08:56 AM

Hamurabi of Sumeria.

Agressive vulture rushe even more than regular one.

1/3 price courthouse that come with priesthood is not half bad, either.

Badtz Maru · Sep 29, 2009, 09:30 AM

Huayna Capac of the Indians.

Two great builder's traits and a special unit that will help them build the entire game.

Lansky · Sep 29, 2009, 10:23 AM

Joao of the Incas can be really fun.

I also enjoy Napoleon of the Aztecs. A bit overkill on courthouse discount but medieval war becomes very easy and very enjoyalbe for me. A nice chance of pace.

Badtz Maru · Sep 29, 2009, 10:47 AM

Tokugawa of the Malinese would be an pretty awesome rusher.

Really, Tokugawa plus anyone with a strong archery/gunpowder unit.

Koning · Sep 29, 2009, 11:15 AM

The Persian leaders have the most synergetic traits (org/fin and cha/imp). Now pair them to a synergetic UB or UU:

Darius of the Holy Roman Empire.
Imagine Fin/Org with a half priced rathaus.. A huge empire with the science slider on 100% non-stop!

Cyrus of the Mongols
Conquer your continent with your insanely promoted keshiks. Wait some centuries and conquer the other continent or last remaining civs with your upgraded level 5 cavalry

AfterShafter · Sep 29, 2009, 11:19 AM

Darius... Of Persia

Breakneck economy, excellent rush UU, UB that helps with health (one of the only areas he really doesn't get a perk with).

binhthuy71 · Sep 29, 2009, 11:30 AM

For some reason I just never played unrestricted leaders - not even once. Now that you have all kindly showed me some of the possibilities I'll give it a shot.
EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

Huayna Capac of the Indians.

Two great builder's traits and a special unit that will help them build the entire game.

Well, thank you for that. I just played my first unrestricted leaders game as Churchill of Mali. Things were rolling right along until my Caravel discovered Huayna Capac of the Indians.

It did not go well from there.

Iranon · Sep 29, 2009, 12:20 PM

I think I'd prefer Mehmed of Inca over Joao. With Quechuas, there is a non-neglegible chance we won't build too many city ourselves... and even for peaceful expansion, I think on hammer-saving trait and free culture is enough. I'd rather have something that helps paying the bills.

I definitely agree on Hammurabi of Sumer and Churchill of Mali.

*

I also mostly agree with TMIT about the default leaders. I'd include Elizabeth and Augustus in the 'Already Perfect Club' and kick Hatty out instead though.

mariogreymist · Sep 29, 2009, 12:59 PM

Darius of Holy Rome...mmm corporations.

Krill · Sep 29, 2009, 01:03 PM

I think Joia of Inca is possibly the best leader/civ pairing for an MP FFA game with enough land.

TheLazyHase · Sep 29, 2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krill

I think Joia of Inca is possibly the best leader/civ pairing for an MP FFA game with enough land.

If it's FFA and you can communicate to other player, I would recommand Hannibal of Germany.

You begin by making few city and convince people to leave you alone because you're weak, and in the end appear panzer and the germanic UB

Hannibal work well to appear weak because financial / charismatic make you have few city, but very big and productive.

mechaerik · Sep 29, 2009, 05:53 PM

I wouldn't say best, but Churchill of the Native Americans is pretty sweet. Build Stonehenge, get lots of XBows and Longbows.

I've done it before, and with Theocracy/Vassalage, you get some wicked archer units than can then be upgraded.

bestbrian · Sep 29, 2009, 08:19 PM

Boudica of Spain. Awesome mid-game military rampage with highly promoted siege and Conqs.

Izmir Stinger · Sep 29, 2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMeInTeam

Joao of Inca

Why not Peter or Pacal of Inca? Is there some synergy between Inca uniques and Imperialistic I'm not thinking of?

bestsss · Sep 30, 2009, 02:06 AM

>>Is there some synergy between Inca uniques and Imperialistic I'm not thinking of?
Yes, you need only "warriors" to expand and feel safe. (both peaceful or rush anyone nearby)

Sian · Sep 30, 2009, 03:00 AM

i'd go on a wierd tangent and say Tokugawa of England ... Stock exchange will help on his Economy and his Redcoats would be godly

Sep 29, 2009, 06:46 AM	#1
Tamed Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 37	Unrestricted leaders: Best combo? Can anyone think of a leader\nation that'd work really well together? And by really well, I don't mean picking those super early game units that replace the warrior, I mean a nation that'd continually be useful! =) And by that I also DON'T mean that the unit has to be end-game. Just something more useful than a newbie rush strategy unit. Also, is anyone disappointed that no nation gets a unique settler? Maybe a settler that could move an extra space per turn, or ignore movement penelties would've been cooler than some of the existing units.

Sep 29, 2009, 07:03 AM	#2
Civman33 You Are Elected Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 324	It depends, what kind of? If military, i'd say Boudica of Rome. Combat I praetorians with promo discount gives a HUGE bonus over the enemy. Economy? Huayna of America late game. But that's just me. Malls provide a nice gold boost along with extra happiness from hits, and his traits are just great for alot of gold. Research? Elizabeth of Russia or France. The Salon and Research Center provide extra beakers and if that weren't enough, her traits make Elizabeth of France/Russia a good combo. __________________ Prince of Earth series: Coming Soon! I can finally post screenies now! Woot Woot!

Sep 29, 2009, 07:40 AM	#4
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Sep 29, 2009, 11:15 AM	#9
Koning Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 32	The Persian leaders have the most synergetic traits (org/fin and cha/imp). Now pair them to a synergetic UB or UU: Darius of the Holy Roman Empire. Imagine Fin/Org with a half priced rathaus.. A huge empire with the science slider on 100% non-stop! Cyrus of the Mongols Conquer your continent with your insanely promoted keshiks. Wait some centuries and conquer the other continent or last remaining civs with your upgraded level 5 cavalry Last edited by Koning; Sep 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM.

Sep 29, 2009, 11:19 AM	#10
AfterShafter Emperor Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,408	Darius... Of Persia Breakneck economy, excellent rush UU, UB that helps with health (one of the only areas he really doesn't get a perk with). __________________ Give me Pro/Org, or give me death!

Sep 29, 2009, 07:06 AM	#3
Tamed Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 37	Hehe thanks for the info! I still don't exactly understand how commerce quite works in the game, aside from more gold coins = more gold.. but it doesn't effect production at all, right?

Sep 29, 2009, 08:56 AM	#5
TheLazyHase King Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 829	Hamurabi of Sumeria. Agressive vulture rushe even more than regular one. 1/3 price courthouse that come with priesthood is not half bad, either.

Sep 29, 2009, 09:30 AM	#6
Badtz Maru Prince Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 471	Huayna Capac of the Indians. Two great builder's traits and a special unit that will help them build the entire game.

Sep 29, 2009, 10:23 AM	#7
Lansky King Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 629	Joao of the Incas can be really fun. I also enjoy Napoleon of the Aztecs. A bit overkill on courthouse discount but medieval war becomes very easy and very enjoyalbe for me. A nice chance of pace.

Sep 29, 2009, 10:47 AM	#8
Badtz Maru Prince Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 471	Tokugawa of the Malinese would be an pretty awesome rusher. Really, Tokugawa plus anyone with a strong archery/gunpowder unit.

Sep 29, 2009, 12:20 PM	#12
Iranon Deity Whipping Boy Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 2,033	I think I'd prefer Mehmed of Inca over Joao. With Quechuas, there is a non-neglegible chance we won't build too many city ourselves... and even for peaceful expansion, I think on hammer-saving trait and free culture is enough. I'd rather have something that helps paying the bills. I definitely agree on Hammurabi of Sumer and Churchill of Mali. * I also mostly agree with TMIT about the default leaders. I'd include Elizabeth and Augustus in the 'Already Perfect Club' and kick Hatty out instead though. __________________ This poster usually plays BtS at Immortal or Deity on highly random maps, at standard size and speed. His points may or may not make sense for other settings and, and he in no way takes responsibility for loss of or damages to perfectly good games. Intended for educational purposes, non-profit time wasting or ridicule only. May contain twisted logic that may or may not make sense after a couple of drinks, convoluted grammar, other atrocities towards the English language and traces of nuts.

Sep 29, 2009, 12:59 PM	#13
mariogreymist Prince Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 540	Darius of Holy Rome...mmm corporations. __________________ Don't believe what you think.

Sep 29, 2009, 01:03 PM	#14
Krill Deity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Durham, England Posts: 2,537	I think Joia of Inca is possibly the best leader/civ pairing for an MP FFA game with enough land. __________________ You just wasted 6 seconds of your life reading this sentence.

Sep 29, 2009, 05:53 PM	#16
mechaerik Papa Six Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,823	I wouldn't say best, but Churchill of the Native Americans is pretty sweet. Build Stonehenge, get lots of XBows and Longbows. I've done it before, and with Theocracy/Vassalage, you get some wicked archer units than can then be upgraded. __________________ Supreme Leader of the glorious People's Republic of mechaerikistan (PRm). Today's Conservatism is just yesterday's Liberalism. Today's Liberalism is tomorrow's Conservatism. To see everything I've made, click here and scroll down. Political Compass: -7.25 L/R -0.41 SL/A

Sep 29, 2009, 08:19 PM	#17
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Sep 30, 2009, 02:06 AM	#19
bestsss King Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 812	>>Is there some synergy between Inca uniques and Imperialistic I'm not thinking of? Yes, you need only "warriors" to expand and feel safe. (both peaceful or rush anyone nearby)

Sep 30, 2009, 03:00 AM	#20
Sian King Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 691	i'd go on a wierd tangent and say Tokugawa of England ... Stock exchange will help on his Economy and his Redcoats would be godly __________________ Unless other said, Large Fractal Epic Emperor

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