GEMAH - An Alternate History Scenario (GEM Mod)

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This is an Alternate History Scenario for Genghis Kai's Giant Earth Map Mod (Found Here)

The File can be Downloaded Here

The Develpoment Thread for the Scenario can be found Here

Beta3 has now been uploaded. Mostly Balance Issues and Changes to make it develop more 'Historically'. I have updated the backstory so have a read, it will make the scenario more interesting to play. I could do with some more feedback, even if its just to tell me i have made or good scenario or that i am a disgrace.

Beta3 changes
Spoiler :
- Added Alot more barbarians all over the map for balance, may need to reduce after playtesting.
- Put the Mongol Empires onto one team so they dont war eachover and try to keep at war with enimies, sadly it means the DynamicName for each is TimurGolChaOir Alliance.
- Added Navies for each nation
- Made the Germanic, Mali, Ava and Champa Civilisations Minor
- Gave the Aztecs More Units and Made bottom 2 Incan Cities Barbarian for Historical balance.
- Made No Vassals A default option for balance reasons.
- Changed Vatakata to Kakaitya for Historical Accuracy
- Changed Colours Around for some civs for Asthetics


Beta2 changes
Spoiler :
- Changes Moors to Brown for historical reasons.
- Changes Chagatai to Light Blue to stand out from China More.
- Adds Default Difficulties to all civs to make larger civs harder for AI, humans recommended 1 or two levels above default (yes that means Diety for Rome).


- This is a very big map with many civilisations so be prepared if you have an slow computer. i should be making a version with 28-32 Civs, but it will come after i make a version for RoM.

- Islam is meant to represent Any Pagan religion, Judaism is meant to represent Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Christianity is meant to represent Roman Catholicism and Confucianism is meant to represent Americano Paganism.

- The map is still technically a beta but is playable, please give feedback so i can make improvements.

Back-Story !Has Been Updated! (A Good Read to get you into the context of the Map)
Spoiler :

- Central Asia Around 406 AD
Attila the Hun dies at childbirth, to the tribe it is just another unlucky soul, and they would never know how much one person could change the world.

- Rome Around 434 - 476 AD
With No Hunnic Migrations into Germania, the Germanic Tribes were not forced into conquering Rome, and thus the Western Roman Empire survived.

- Rome Around 512 AD
After a few decades, a new Philosophical Emperor came to power. All it took was one charismatic and selfless leader to bring the WRE back on its feet, but he realised at his death it would again deteriorate under other incompetent and greedy emperors, so he abolished the empire, gave more independence to further away provinces and set up a democratic government that improved on the original senate. This government operated much like the current US government but it did not believe in Universal Rights, even though they had restricted slavery. The Fact that Rome Survived meant that trade with China and India continued and therefore these nations flourished more than historically each in their own way.

- India Around 500 AD – 1125 AD
The Gupta Empire Stroke a deal with the Roman Republic and Byzantine Empire; granting them their southern territories if they would Send Troops to help defend them from The Hephtalites . They both agreed and sent sizable legions that successfully held off the white Huns and allowed the Gupta Empire to continue and flourished. The Gupta learnt from Roman Culture, Organisation and Military Doctrines and managed to conquer most of India, and as promised they gave the region of Togarum to Rome and Muziris to Byzantium.

- India Around 1083 AD – 1400 AD
The Kakatiya Dynasty in Andhra Pradesh Rose up against Gupta Occupation around 1083 AD and managed to conquer all of Gupta Southern India through brute numbers. On many attempts they tried to sack the Roman Colonies of South India but failed due to the skill of Roman and Byzantine Legions. The Kakatiya stopped their expansion north around 1300 AD and secured their borders, but Rome, Byzantium and Gupta are now preparing to pounce on the collapsing Empire to extend their control of India.

- Byzantium Around 600-650 AD
The Eastern Roman Empire were also spared from the barbarian pressure in the north, and so they were able to put more military into their eastern and southern territories and managed to expand South through Egypt and Arabia, further enhancing their dominion of the Red Sea, Which allowed both Rome and Byzantium to continue their trade. Because of this Mecca was a under Byzantium occupation and Mohammed, the prophet of the Muslim Faith, was quelled from the start, and the spread of Islam was prevented along with the conquest of the Islamic Caliphate’s . These led to great changes in history; sparing the Sassanid Dynasty and allowing the Byzantines to Hold onto and even expand their territory.

- Central Asia 600-1000 AD
Without a Strong enough leader to lead the Huns westward, they begin to slow expand their empire into the less populous lands to the east. Eventually their borders stretch from modern day Ukraine to beyond the Caspian Sea.

- Asia Around 1206-1380 AD
The Mongol Horde rises at the hand of Genghis Khan, and he storms his way through the Jin Dynasty (Northern China) and westward upon the Middle East and Eastern Europe. But alas, the world has changed; the Huns have grown their empire and defended their borders well, blocking Genghis Hordes from Europe. And in the Middle East the Arabian Caliphates never came and collapsed, and so a strong Persia blocks it from its historic boundaries. Nevertheless, The Mongols fight on and slowly progress through Iran and Russia, eventually reaching the Caspian and taking the city of Baghdad, where they meet an even stronger enemy, the Eastern Roman Empire.

- Asia Around 1380-1396 AD
The Long and brutal conquest of Russia and The Middle east drained the Mongol resources, and at the time of Genghis Death the Mongol Empire collapsed into The Timurids, Golden Horde Khanate, Chagatai Khanate and Oirats Khanate along with many other minor khanates.

- Rome around 600-1400 793 AD
As the Byzantines Conquered Egypt and Arabia, the people of the Western Roman Republic lost faith in their rulers. Western Rome had not expanded its borders since Hadrian and The WRR looks weak compared to the ERE, because of this Rome decided to start expanding where it knew there were only weak tribes, south along the African Coast. However, after conquering a few tribes they reached Marrakesh, where their legions were ambushed by an army of moors. A war broke out between Rome and the Moors, and they seemed equal until the Vikings started raiding Britannia and Gaul. Rome had to pull some of their men back from Africa to defend their Richer Provinces, but the moors caught on and as soon as enough of the Romans had been shipped back to Gaul the moors rampaged into modern Morocco and kept storming through roman land all the way to modern Algiers, where they changed their path and used roman boats to sail across to Iberia, where they managed to take the southern half of Iberia within years. The Western Roman Republic and The Moorish Kingdoms have been at war since, and the moors have shown no signs of weakness.


Civilisations
Spoiler :
Minor, Important, Mongol Alliance
1. The Western Roman Republic (Refered to simply as Rome)
2. The Eastern Roman Empire (Refered to as Byzantium)

3. The Moors
4. The Vikings
5. The Franks (MINOR)
6. The Vandals (MINOR)
7. The Visigoths (MINOR)
8. The Ostrogoths (MINOR)
9. The Saxons (MINOR)
10. The Swedes (MINOR)
11. The Finns (MINOR)

12. Kievan Russian Kingdom
13. The Huns (MINOR)
14. The Songhay (MINOR)
15. Bantu Peoples (MINOR)
16. Khoisan Peoples (MINOR)
17. Shwalli Peoples (MINOR)
18. Luo Peoples (MINOR)

19. Kingdom of Axum
20. The Arabs (MINOR)
21. Timurid Khanate
22. Golden Horde Khanate
23. Chagatai Khanate

24. Tibetan Peoples (MINOR)
25. Gupta Kingdom
26. Kakatiya Dynasty (MINOR)
27. The Ava Kingdom (MINOR)

28. The Siamese Kingdom
29. The Champa Kingdom (MINOR)
30. Song Dynasty (South China)
31. Yuan Khanate (North China)
32. Oirats Khanate

33. Kingdom of Japan
34. Malasian Peoples (MINOR)
35. Papuan Peoples (MINOR)

36. The Aztecs
37. The Incans
38. Columbian Peoples (MINOR)
39. Pacific-Anowarkowan Peoples (MINOR)
40. Plains-Indian Peoples (MINOR)
41. Iroquois Confederacy (MINOR)
42. Atlantic-Anowarkowan Peoples (MINOR)
43. Pacific-Texcocoan Peoples (MINOR)
44. Atlantic-Texcocoan Peoples (MINOR)

 

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Good job with the scenario still working on it but as Rome i've already reconquered almost all of the historical Western Rome territory(The Vikings still have Scotland. >.<)
 
I Played A Game as The Moors and quickly mananged to conquer Iberia And Most of Africa, I have a couple of screenies below. Sadly after i captured Narbo and Carthage my recources were drained and Rome came back at me a few years later with Musketmen and Curriasers and I didnt stand a chance, it was however awesome watching the Roman Reconquista. eventually i gave up as Rome followed through my territory and captured marrakesh and 2 of my cities revolted to a new empire under revolutions, where i let the AI Autoplay take over (CTRL+SHIFT+X) for about 200 turns, checking in every 50 turns or so. I noticed some cool things over the game i played and what i saw after a few hundered years.

- India Discovered America from the west with a caravel around 1490 AD.

- I think Carthage works as Having Arabia as its civ as Camel Archers are a life-saver. War Elephants Also help.

- I found it cool that the Timurids conquered a bit of Northern India, representing the Muhghal Empire, but they stopped before any real progress was made.

- China was a Super-Imperialist that Invaded and Vassalised The Chagatai, Golden Horde, Vatakata, Yuan, Axum and More... by the end of the autoplay at about 1690 AD they had about 3000 points and controled about half the world. The last screenshot shows an outline of china and all its vassals in 1690.

- Anoyingly the Khanates tend to ally with people too easily, i couldnt have them as minors or they would attack eachover so i might experiment with them as a seperate team.

- The Vikings Settled The East Coast of North America around 1500 AD and the Romans and Byzantines had Both Settled South America around 1600 AD. The Incans had settled more than i would want them to so i will try making their southernmost city Barbarian.

- Axum and Byzantium conquer the Barbarian cities of Africa far too easily, i may have to increase the amount of units or quality of units there.

- Gupta never really attacked the Vatakata, and it was too late when china vassalised it, instead they decided to conquer the Saxones!

- There is far too many Vassals, i may make No Vassals A Default Option for this map.

Note if you have found anything cool or annoying happening in the worled as you play, i tend to check the WorldBuilder every 20 turns to see whats happening.

I have released a new version, it doesnt make alot of changes but it does help balance rome a bit, the changes are at the top.
 

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Well I started up a game as the Western Republic about 30 minutes ago, and the first thing I noticed was: no gold! So I reduced my research, and set to work. Making 6 armies out of troops garrisoned all over the Republic, I had Army A and Army B ready to strike the Vandals, Army C attacking the Moors in Iberia, Army D attacking the Moors in Africa, and Armies E and F preparing for the conquest of Viking-held Scotland.

So far, Armies A has captured Iuvavum, while Army B is bypassing Vindelcium and heading to Naumberg to join with Army A. Army C had seiged and finally captured Corduba, while Army D took Siga with relitive ease. Army E absorbed army F, and then captured York after a long a bloddy battle, almost being repulsed by the Viking Longbowmen. In addition, the small garrison in Cork has moved toward the lightly defended Colleraine in Northern Ireland.

So far so good! I've noticed the Preatorians have been the backbone of my army, comming through for me when I needed them to. It's turning out to be a great game, I'll hopefully have some Screenshots the next time I have an update.
 
If you could detail how much gold to give to each civ then i will add, but i need to make sure its balanced. do you think Rome needs less units? i think byzantines need a few less.

I played a great game as the timurids. using the keshiks to take northern india up to dehli and the middle east up to Jerusalem, but then i had basically ran out of keshiks so the byzantines hit hard and i had to give up the levant for peace, but i stayed at war with the gupta and pushed them back to their final city. i am now planning to move in on the Kakatiya (formerly vatakata) to form a succesfullmughal empire!

should the timurids and chagatai be persia or mongols civ? the keshiks are so vital but they may make the timurids too powerfull if they have a constant supply, rather than some to start with.
 
Timurids should be Persian only cause despite the Mongols conquering the region their culture probably wouldn't last like it didn't in real history(the Muslim/Persian ideas returned shortly after the Horde broke apart.)
 
I'm going to have to agree with Rallas. In addition to his reasons, like you said, the Keshiks would be too much of an advantage.

I haven't been playing much, becase I'm trying to catch up on 1205 A.D. for GEM, but I would suggest giving WRR and ERE (Not sure if ERE has gold) somewhere between 500 and 750 gold.
 
The thing is with giving the romans starting gold though is that it will just go straight into unit upgrades, and i gave them specific units for a reason. i also dont want them to start with 100% research as they research a bit too quick anyway.

Over 100 Downloads!
 
i played a round as the japanese, only to discover that they had no gold, had -115 gold per turn, and at 100% research every tech was at least 40 turns. needless to say, i lost all of my korean cities to the mongols, partially because i'm a horrible warmonger. japan probably needs some gold.

did you create the backstory yourself? it's pretty cool.
 
i played a round as the japanese, only to discover that they had no gold, had -115 gold per turn, and at 100% research every tech was at least 40 turns. needless to say, i lost all of my korean cities to the mongols, partially because i'm a horrible warmonger. japan probably needs some gold.

did you create the backstory yourself? it's pretty cool.

I am going to work on giving more gold, but for certain civs it would just mean instant upgrades to units and that doesnt really make sence. I created the backstory with help from Rallas and Lean, as well as those in the original RFC thread.

200+ Downloads!
 
minor problems:

north america has too many barbarians; in one game i played, the aztecs were wiped out before 1500. in another, they only had mixtlan left.

emperor and empress are mispelled frequently.

several countries have the start date as july 1972.
 
the default speed is marathon; i couldn't change it even if i wanted to.

the bottom one means that instead of 1400 in the top right corner, it shows july 1972 instead.
 
no, i haven't changed any files. all i did was start a new game as gupta and the date was shown as july 1972. the game still had the same number of turns. and how do you post a save?:confused:
 
300 Donwloads!!

its great to see people download as i feared i would put all the work in for nothing, although making maps is quite fun (some bits).

I have been quite busy but after christams i will have some free time (inbetween revision time) to work on civ. i am hoping to convert this to RoM during this time but i would like some feedback and ideas for improvement before i do so, to save me a double workload in the future! i did have beta4 done but i must have made 1 little mistake in the WBS and they are a b**** to find, and i cant remember most of my changes.

@ emerralddude, i dont know if you are still checking this it has been a while but to post a save just go advanced post and add the save as an attachment. you may need to put it in a zip or rar which should be easy if you have winzip or winrar (just right click the file and select add to archive). i will try and resolve your case.
 
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