If you run bureaucracy for most of the game (unless going for culture victory)is it always best to have Oxford Uni and Wall Street in the capital? I'm in a game where I have a pretty decent cottage city (also a port) with the Taoist shrine up and I don't know whether to put Wall Street there or in my capital (capital has more cottages but is inland). It got me thinking about national wonders in general, and I'm interested to what others setups are, whether you always go by same rules or change game by game. The other one I'm most interested in in national epic and what goes best with that.
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It really depends on the situation, there is no one set up which is the best in every game.
In the situation you are in I would put Wall Street in the Taoist Shrine city and then try to spread Taoism as much as possible. Shrines have the potential to bring in a huge amount of gold, and it would be good to multiply that. Remember that your capital might have loads of cottages which gives you loads of commerce, but if you are running the science (or culture etc) slider at quite a high percentage then that commerce won't be converted to gold. Your shrine on the other hand will bring in gold all the time.
With your capital heavily cottaged (or alternatively your Taoist Shrine city), Oxford University would be good there, if you are using the science slider.
National Epic goes well with the Ironworks, if you plan on building lots of wonders. That city can then build them quickly and reap the Great Person rewards faster. That certainly isn't a bad combination if you manage to get the wonders, but perhaps a more reliable combination is National Epic and Oxford University. This city can run lots of specialists, and in combination with the Representation civic (extra science on specialists) you can bring in huge amounts of science there too, even if you don't run the science slider very high. National Park can go well with National Epic too, but that combination only becomes available much later in the game.
In the situation you are in I would put Wall Street in the Taoist Shrine city and then try to spread Taoism as much as possible. Shrines have the potential to bring in a huge amount of gold, and it would be good to multiply that. Remember that your capital might have loads of cottages which gives you loads of commerce, but if you are running the science (or culture etc) slider at quite a high percentage then that commerce won't be converted to gold. Your shrine on the other hand will bring in gold all the time.
With your capital heavily cottaged (or alternatively your Taoist Shrine city), Oxford University would be good there, if you are using the science slider.
National Epic goes well with the Ironworks, if you plan on building lots of wonders. That city can then build them quickly and reap the Great Person rewards faster. That certainly isn't a bad combination if you manage to get the wonders, but perhaps a more reliable combination is National Epic and Oxford University. This city can run lots of specialists, and in combination with the Representation civic (extra science on specialists) you can bring in huge amounts of science there too, even if you don't run the science slider very high. National Park can go well with National Epic too, but that combination only becomes available much later in the game.
Oxford Uni and Wall Street should rarely be together.
For oxford (multiplies beakers), If you are getting most of your science from cottages/commerce, take a look at your science slider. Most of the game its probably in the 60-80% range, so you should bring up the city list find the city with the most commerce or beakers at your normal slider range and put oxford there. You would look at commerce if you know some cities need some multiplier buildings added. A cottaged bureaucratic capital is almost always the best place for oxford + high science slider.
For wall street (multiplies gold), at your normal science setting sort the city list by GOLD (not commerce). A city may stand out, but if you have a new shrine or a holy city that you will shrine later this is likely the best place for it. In a high science slider environment you should drop the cottages in this city and put in farms to run merchant specialists. This gold city is only getting 20-40% of the cottage's commerce in gold, so it would be more efficient to place a farm and run a merchant to get pure gold.
In an empire heavy on specialists and light on cottages usually the above is reversed. The science slider is low 0-20%, so the cottaged bureaucratic capital is a good candidate for wall street, while a scientist focused GP farm is the prime oxford target.
For oxford (multiplies beakers), If you are getting most of your science from cottages/commerce, take a look at your science slider. Most of the game its probably in the 60-80% range, so you should bring up the city list find the city with the most commerce or beakers at your normal slider range and put oxford there. You would look at commerce if you know some cities need some multiplier buildings added. A cottaged bureaucratic capital is almost always the best place for oxford + high science slider.
For wall street (multiplies gold), at your normal science setting sort the city list by GOLD (not commerce). A city may stand out, but if you have a new shrine or a holy city that you will shrine later this is likely the best place for it. In a high science slider environment you should drop the cottages in this city and put in farms to run merchant specialists. This gold city is only getting 20-40% of the cottage's commerce in gold, so it would be more efficient to place a farm and run a merchant to get pure gold.
In an empire heavy on specialists and light on cottages usually the above is reversed. The science slider is low 0-20%, so the cottaged bureaucratic capital is a good candidate for wall street, while a scientist focused GP farm is the prime oxford target.
joanne
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My favorite combo is heroic epic + military academy/ instructors + west point in a productive coastal city with lots of seafood and hills/workshops. I've used it to spam experienced land and naval units every 1-2 turns, without police state.
And I agree with earlier posts here about wall street + cottaged rivers and/or shrines + corp HQ's
And I agree with earlier posts here about wall street + cottaged rivers and/or shrines + corp HQ's
this. Wall Street I usually put in a shrine city because of the potential income, the more cottages around that city, the better. I usually run a few merchant specialists in that city as well. Oxford will usually be in my Great Library city (assuming I get it).
Gorey
Prince
My wallstreet is almost never a city that has tons of commerce. I dedicate those uber cities to science.
It should be a city that is a religious capital (and or corporation HQ). If it has neither, then it should be a city that has extra food to run merhant specialists, with a decent amount of production to get the bank, market, grocer and wall street buildings up in a timely fashion. settle any great merchants here as well. They gives more gold to multiply AND they give more food to run more merchants!
You aren't interested in commerce, you are interested in GOLD.
with a typical research rate of 80% sceince, you're better of multiplying merchant output then you are multiplying only 20% of your commerce. If you can stack a shrine or corporation in the same city... look out!!!
It should be a city that is a religious capital (and or corporation HQ). If it has neither, then it should be a city that has extra food to run merhant specialists, with a decent amount of production to get the bank, market, grocer and wall street buildings up in a timely fashion. settle any great merchants here as well. They gives more gold to multiply AND they give more food to run more merchants!
You aren't interested in commerce, you are interested in GOLD.
with a typical research rate of 80% sceince, you're better of multiplying merchant output then you are multiplying only 20% of your commerce. If you can stack a shrine or corporation in the same city... look out!!!
6K Man
Bureaucrat
In my opinion it's rarely a good idea to have Wall Street in your capital. Unless you happen to have founded a very early religion in the capital, it's generally best to put WS in the city containing a well-spread religion (shrined) that you built or captured. Shrines generally trump high commerce from Bureaucracy.
My capitals generally have National Epic and Oxford, the former mainly because of the nice synergy with Great Library (if I get it) and the expected food surplus in the capital that allows me to run multiple specialists.
Other good combos are Ironworks/West Point (easier to build WP with lots of hammers), Heroic Epic/Red Cross. Generally combining Ironworks with Heroic Epic is overkill. West Point with Red Cross means a LOT of promos, but you'd spend an inordinate amount of time building those wonders, time that could be spent on building units.
My capitals generally have National Epic and Oxford, the former mainly because of the nice synergy with Great Library (if I get it) and the expected food surplus in the capital that allows me to run multiple specialists.
Other good combos are Ironworks/West Point (easier to build WP with lots of hammers), Heroic Epic/Red Cross. Generally combining Ironworks with Heroic Epic is overkill. West Point with Red Cross means a LOT of promos, but you'd spend an inordinate amount of time building those wonders, time that could be spent on building units.
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