We need the Canadians as a new Civ!

aimeeandbeatles

aimeeandbeatles

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Even though Civ5 only has 18 Civs, maybe one of the expansions. I hope there's still UU/UBs.

Leader 1: ????
Leader 2: ????
Unique Unit: RCMP "Mountie" (it would be a mounted unit) to replace the Calvry which I can't spell.
Unique Building: Hockey stadium :lol: to replace Colosseum.

Any thoughts?
 
Having Canada in Vanilla Civ 5 would be like having a hot dog for breakfast. Not going to happen. As you hinted.

The expansions? Maybe. But for Canada to warrant a place, there'd have to be an awful lot of new Civs in the game. I wouldn't exactly put it in the top 50 deserving a place in the game.
 
Having the USA as a civ is a stupid idea just like having anything in the game post-1800 is a stupid idea. i.e. not very.
 
Come on now, don't be silly. The game starts in 4000 BC. Whilst France, UK, Holy Roman Empire, etc. didn't start then either they can at least trace ethnic roots back to roughly the same region. America is in the game for the simple reason that Firaxis are American and their target market is primarily American.

Actually, that gives me an idea. It'd be nice to be able to disable civs from the random selection when you're setting up a game.
 
Well, how many turns are there from, say, 27 BC - AD 476? And how many from 1776 - now? Using the logic that importance in the game should be judged off how many game turns something historical took up, then America is one of the most deserving to be in the game. And America can trace their roots back to Africa 200 000 years ago just as well as any other Civ can, so I don't see that as a criteria.
 
What if we had ancient Civs and modern Civs? I mean, suppose you're in the Custom Game and you select "Era -- Industrial" or something, the list of Civs change to be more historically accurate. (However, you can swap them around and have Canadians in 4000 BC or something.)
 
Oh, dang. Maybe for some expansion pack.
 
Camikaze said:
And America can trace their roots back to Africa 200 000 years ago just as well as any other Civ can, so I don't see that as a criteria.
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Which leads up to another excellent idea... instead of having the game start at 4000 BCE, have it start at 200,000 BCE with the first techs you need to discover being "Build fire," "Settle down in one spot," and "No, use the sharp end of that rock!"
 
Personally, I don't oppose including Canada but I think it is suitable for mods rather than official. (I just want variety and Civs from Oceania or South America)
 
if you're going to take out america, you might as well have the game just be the eastern hemisphere and have it end in 1491.

oh, and canada's never really done anything significant enough for a place in the game, at least not as a sovereign nation.
 
Canada seems a bit out of place. You have Rome, England, Greece, Persia, and Canada... We really don't compare. Maybe expansion number 5.
 
awesome said:
if you're going to take out america, you might as well have the game just be the eastern hemisphere and have it end in 1491
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What about all the native American peoples? Inuits, Apache, Iroquois, Tupi, Mayans, etc? You are not seriously suggesting that the USA is the only article of note in the entire history of that continent?
 
The Debate REBegins.

As I Recall... the actual Community version of the Canadians was better then anything Firaxis put out anyways.

We had our own say in what went into it. We had our own flavour for music and our own flavour for units, our own unique canadian select/order and the UB was something that was of great importance even though we don't think of it as a staple as to what Canada really is. And really who knows Canada better then ... Well ... Canadians. (Not sure if firaxis has any canuckleheads in their crew.)

So to summarize. FIRAXIS.... BACK OFF GET YOUR OWN SANDWICH! leave it to the community to add the Canucks.

WyzSub_10 did, in the end, manage the best civ creation crew to ever be assembled. (THUMBS UP!)
 
Being a Canadian I would love to see Canada as a Civ. But the reality is both Canada and the USA are made up of British and French colonies. Since Britain and France are both in the game, there is no need to have their colonies. If any north american Civs are included they should be the aboriginals and first nations. Now, obviously the USA will be in the game simply because they are involved in everything these days. So, if the USA can be in the game, so can Canada. But in reality, neither should be.
 
ko3ak said:
Being a Canadian I would love to see Canada as a Civ. But the reality is both Canada and the USA are made up of British and French colonies. Since Britain and France are both in the game, there is no need to have their colonies. If any north american Civs are included they should be the aboriginals and first nations. Now, obviously the USA will be in the game simply because they are involved in everything these days. So, if the USA can be in the game, so can Canada. But in reality, neither should be.
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I'm sorry, I can't agree. U.S. and Canada are both quite distinct from the British and French. It's true they originally started out as colonies, but then most countries are made up as colonies or migrants if you go far enough back. As far as impact on the world goes, the U.S. has had far more impact (somebody else can argue if the impact has been good or bad:p). I think it's about as wrong to show Babylon existing into modern times as it is to have the USA existing in ancient times.

At the same time, it's a good thing this forum has a lot of good modders. Because everyone would like to be able to play their country or culture as their civilization. I'm sure more than one person is going to design a Canadian civilization.
 
ko3ak said:
Being a Canadian I would love to see Canada as a Civ. But the reality is both Canada and the USA are made up of British and French colonies. Since Britain and France are both in the game, there is no need to have their colonies. If any north american Civs are included they should be the aboriginals and first nations. Now, obviously the USA will be in the game simply because they are involved in everything these days. So, if the USA can be in the game, so can Canada. But in reality, neither should be.
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Wasn't Britain a colony of Rome? And Rome is in the game, so therefore we can't have England. But wait; didn't the founders of Rome originally come from Africa, just like all other humans? And we already have some African civs in the game, so therefore we can't have Rome.

Look, there's a line between what you consider mere colonies and what you consider fully fledged civs. And as subjective as that line may be, I would've thought that it's clearly on the side of the US being counted as a fully independent entity.
 
Canada may be able to win gold medals in the olympics and sometimes play good hockey but it makes no sense for a civ game that is supposed to start in ancient times.

My 2c.
 
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