One City Challenge Club (OCCC): Genghis Khan

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Welcome to the third installment of the OCCC. These are meant to provide you with a One City Challenge to help everyone learn how to play these type of games. I am merely the host and offer no advice, allowing the CFC group to offer communial advice (similar to rolo's Lonely Heart's Club).

The early incarnations used the best startings of Philosophical and Industrious paired with 2 of the strongest supplemnetal one in expansive and Spiritual.

Here we have a war-monger in Ghenghis Khan.

The map is a small Pangea map, thus there are only 4 rivals.

I tweaked the map very slightly but otherwise it's the first one that popped out. IF your interested in some advice and what I changed they are in spoilers

Spoiler :


Yes friends, you have horses!

While Pangea, your not getting a conquest win if you move off the shore.

Genghis has access to all proper war-mongering resources EXCEPT copper and Uranium.

Changes I made were simply moving iron, coal, oil closer to the settler. Move and you will miss something.




The save is a Nobel difficulty/Epic speed and the WorldBuilder save is also attached if you want to change those settings. Remember I plan to be moving the difficulty up as we go along in the series, nobel for now.

General statements about a One City Challenge, according to Mad Scientist

1) You get ONE city! Go and win yourself a game champ!

2) You cannot build a settler, nor can you capture a city. Captured cities will autoraze, a great way for ticking off a rival.

3) You are allowed 5 National Wonders per city, and they still require the prerequisite buildings. Example, for the Globe theater you need a theater, Oxford requires a University. etc....

There are plenty of players that can offer great advice, I will keep to just hosting this game for the time being.

Examples of OCC games can be found in the Classic RPCs in my signature: Agustus, Stalin, Lincoln were all OCC games focusing on diplomacy, military, space victory pathes although the Lincoln game was a last minute failure. Also under the RPC Next Generation the dali Lama was an OCC but certainly not a typical game.

So onto the leader

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And the start

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Some interesting decisions there.

While this is Genghis Khan, there is no victory conditions here. If you want to play the OCC in a generally conservative manner (meaning peacefully) go right ahead.

Please keep writeups in spoilers.

This is the last Nobel OCCC, we move up to Prince next!
 

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Only Mad could misspell Genghis differently in each of the savefile names.

Decisions decisions...coast on noble or challenge myself on monarch.
 
Only Mad could misspell Genghis differently in each of the savefile names.

And spell it wrong both times, hahaha. Gotta love cheap settlers in an OCC! looking forward to leveraging the other half of imperialistic!
 
This is laughably easy on noble epic - 745 AD finish. Keshiks are way, way too strong. I'll have to retry tomorrow on monarch to see if it's just more of a challenge. Almost as fast as a TMIT win.

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In place, assumed horses 1E. Tech path AH-HBR-Archery-Mining-BW-Writing-Alpha - nothing else matters. Honestly, nothing after BW mattered.

Nearest neighbor gandhi - he builds no units - chariots death ha ha ha ha

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He gave me two workers, who came back to help magically transform my trees into mounted keshik soldier beasts. They visit Mr. French wonderspammer - he's building Stonehenge just in time to meet my friendly keshiks. He never got a second city out.

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Off to Roosevelt. First things first, find his copper, pillage, take New York and Washington:

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I gave him peace after alpha for 3 techs - think fishing, masonry and something else. But could Genghis really keep peace for long...I think not:

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Roosevelt's dead. Mind you, I built a worker, warrior, barracks, then chariots until HBR/Archery, and nonstop keshiks the rest of the game (except when an event destroyed my barracks). I even screwed up and settled my first GG instead of creating a super-medic - that probably slowed me down.

I DOWed Hanny right after healing from Roosevelt, took two of his peripheral cities, and peace for another 3 techs. Then simply waited for about 30 turns while adding keshiks - at 5 pop I had a new keshik every 3-4 turns. Straight to Hanny's capital - two swords, a spear and two archer defending. Hopeless against 15 keshiks all with 10XP+:

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Only a simple matter of time - we took a few turns to find where Hanny's last city was hiding, as I thought I had killed his last city, but he snuck this settler out here. We found it though, and things look ominous for him:

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And he succumbs to the keshik mini-horde:

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All over. What was this about not being able to conquest if I settled off the coast?? This could have been done easily on or off the coast. Anyway, it's all over.

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The keshiks would still have a lifespan of at least another 200 turns on noble - maybe someone would have muskets by then, but a swarm of keshiks can overrun everything before rifles. With enough flank damage (11 XP out of the gate with 2 settled GGs), I've had games where I swarm cities with knights, maces, pikes and LBs with keshiks.

With a bit better micro, someone might be able to beat this in the BCs.

 
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Nobel/Epic

Spoiler :


Gandhi Dead

Roosevelt Dead

Both with Keshik rush

Hannibal came within one Keshik of being destroyed. Took peace

Louie Down to a pillaged Paris and waiting for reinforcements to destroy him

Once Lou is dead it's only a matter of an overwhelming number of Keshiks

My strategy after scoping the land with scout was to take out Gandhi and Roosevelt so Hannibal and Lou would be too far apart to trade. Keshiks for long distance Hannibal, Swords/Axes/Keshiks for Lou

Techpath: AN/Fishing/HBR/Archery/Mining/BW/IW/Math/Construction

EDIT, Conquest 1010 AD

Spoiler :


Ended with Conquest at 1010 AD. Damned, missed out winning earlier due to 1 less Keshik in first Cartheginian war.


 
Played on monarch/epic
Spoiler :
Met gandhi on like turn 3, oh boy! Always a great sigh for conquests. Especially since he founded hinduism AND buddhism! I started by teching animal husbandry/horseback riding/archery, then mining/BW. Then iron working (to see if we had iron on that suspicious looking plains-hill), which i didn't finish. I popped mysticism (and got a warrior) from a hut.
Improvements were: pasture on pigs, pasture on horses, road to gandhi, mine on plains hll, chop, chop, rebuild pasture after tornado took it out, chop. Left the 2 forested hills and worked 3 hills, horses, pigs all game.
Build order was worker, barracks, warrior, stonehenge (to pass the time to HBR), ger, keshik, keshik, keshik, keshik, etc,...
Keshik #1 went west and wiped out both gandhi's cities. Keshik #2 went north and razed paris before louis got city #2 built. Keshik #3 and 4 cut off roosevelt's copper and choked him as keshiks #5 went to do the same to carthage. Surprised to find carthage guarded by only an unfortified archer so it got razed too. Sent the rest of my keshiks to roosevelt, when #5 healed from carthage he finished off hannibals other city. Finished roosevelt for a 925BC conquest victory. Probably would have been quicker had i done a chariot rush or 2, but i figured WTH, i'm mongolia, i might as well let keshiks do the dirty work. Got some RNG love which always helps of course!
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Peace of cake!

~ Noble / Epic to 80 BC (Conquest Victory)
Spoiler :

Tech path was AH -> Mining -> BW -> Pottery -> Horseback Riding. Then I went for Monarchy. I got Fishing and Archery from huts.

Build order was Worker -> Fishing Boat -> Barracks -> Archer x3 -> Granary -> Chariots* until Horseback Riding then -> Ger -> Keshik*

This was my first OCC so I didn't know if was doing it right, but since it was only Noble it was ok.

My first target was Gandhi, since he was the closest one.
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He got down easily, only 1-2 archers per city. A Great General was born so I made a super healing unit. After healing everyone, I went for Louis XIV.
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With more Keshiks than before, this was even easier then taking Gandhi down.
After healing the units, I went for Washington.
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After taking him down, I healed everyone and went for Hannibal.
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I put all my units between those 2 cities and took them on the turn after that, with the rest of my units I went to the mine on the grassland (obvious iron) to pillage it. After that I took the capital down and then the city next to it. Now there was only one city left.
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Spoiler :

3tech necessary to finish the game
AH->Mining->Bronze working..

finished on turn 102, could have been a bit earlier but noble AIs dont even build defenses.
Keshiks are unnecessary, only 1 managed to get in action and it was overkill (6 chariots vs 2 archers/flat ground and no culture def)
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Monarch/Epic/4000 BC - 1455 AD Conquest

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Settled in place
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Chariot rush on Gandhi
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Got HBR from the Oracle
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War against Louis
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Great prophet settled
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Lincoln was next
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Attacked Hannibal. I razed and he founded more.
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Finally i won
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Well, that was kind of silly (Noble/Epic/Conquest)

Spoiler :

Carthage falls on turn 89, so it's in the Hall as 1750 BC.

That did leave me time to train a Keshik, but the Carthage fell before he had moved.

It doesn't seem to matter much, but it looks like the right path is Animal Loving, Mining, Bronze Working, turn off tech (in practice, I continued Horseback Riding -> Archery).

Build order was worker, barracks, chariot*. The Great General was attached to the city. I then snuck in a scout build (silly - just medic a chariot) and a warrior (when I finally realized I hadn't garrisoned the city). Switched to a Ger when it no longer mattered.

A single chariot trapped a French worker, then took the city from a warrior. Gandhi's two cities had warrior guards, America had archers, but only in the capital, and Carthage had archers - but not many as I sent a couple chariots that direction to smother the city.
 
Not quite as silly as VoiceOfUnreason, but conquest in 450BC. Having now looked at everyone else's spoilers, nothing much to add. Only...
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Definitely worth rushing before keshiks - got Gandhi and Louis with a small stack of chariots. Then enjoyed destroying both Roosevelt's cities at once, one with my keshiks and one with three chariots (defended by an axe LOL). Hannibal had three cities, first two fell easily (and I had time to kill his settler defended by two archers. Carthage was well defended, but it was rather nice that I razed it leaving just one badly-wounded chariot in my stack.

Noticed a slightly amusing message too... 'Your population (5) exceeds the domination limit' one turn before the end. Makes me wonder if you could win by domination on a tiny world in OCC - just keep one AI city alive and wait for culture to swallow up enough land? Can't be bothered to try, though.

@VoiceOfUnreason
Spoiler :
So I could have done it quicker by not bothering with fishing for the clams? I guess that and attacking with just the right number of chariots rather than waiting until I was sure I had an overpowering stack?
 
Noticed a slightly amusing message too... 'Your population (5) exceeds the domination limit' one turn before the end. Makes me wonder if you could win by domination on a tiny world in OCC - just keep one AI city alive and wait for culture to swallow up enough land? Can't be bothered to try, though.

You can not win by domination probably because the land is much bigger than your cultural borders even if it is small map.
 
Conquest Victory 1450BC Noble/Epic

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Nearly managed to finishing building my first Keshik by the time I won. :)

Basically chariot attacked everybody. Game over.

Must admit I don't fancy my chances of pulling off a space victory on immortal with this starting position/leader though.
 
@The Dark One

Spoiler Clam Strategy :

So I could have done it quicker by not bothering with fishing for the clams?

that's the way it seems to me. I haven't made a second run to try to finish sooner, but what do you need them for?

* Happy cap is at 5 and not going anywhere until Monarchy, so you don't need the extra food.

* You aren't keeping any cities, so you don't have any maintenance costs to pay, and conquest gold will keep your army fed and happy.

* The extra commerce for research isn't going to be significant before you land Bronze Working...

Edit: it might help with whipping out the chariots faster.
 
Noble/Epic 1250 C Victory

Spoiler :

Turn 3 we pop Animal Husbandry. To make things even more ridicolous few turns later we pop:

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Build order: worker, baracks, ger, keshiks. We send a Keshik to Louis and thats enough for him. The next one is enough for Ghandi and his double holy capital. We need more for FDR because he has spearmen, but Hanny has only archers. 1250BC we own the world:

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I think I would have won faster with chariots, instead of keshiks and the ger was absolutely useless building.

I will replay Khan in the stars.

 
Replayed monarch/epic for fun:

Spoiler :
In a dazzling display of CIV skill, i pop animal husbandry on turn 2! Whoo-hoo! I actually popped agriculture later but never used it.
Techpath was Animal husbandry, mining, HBR, archery, bronzeworking (unfinished). Build order was worker, barracks, chariot, chariot, ger warrior (waiting for archery), keshik keshik (won on the turn the 2nd keshik was produced.
The 2 chariots went for gandhi, wiping out his 2 cities, moving west to raze washington, then north to take hannibal, who actually killed one of the wounded chariots before dying. my first keshik went to kill louis. On the turn i won i finished my 2nd keshik and a great general. Won in 2125 BC, so semiraimi, you're right, popping HBR did slow you down. Researching it actually slowed me down, no need to build a ger or spend the extra hammers on keshiks, a pure chariot rush is indeed the best tactic on this map.
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Yep, as everyone else described, very silly. 1000BC victory, remember folk speed kills :D.

Spoiler :
Though I seem to have got more Keshikes (7-8) than others who were describing a chariot only victory by that time? I attacked Frenchy first thinking I didn't want to come back for him, but slowed down by ~4 turns trying to catch his worker, shouldn't have bothered. Then started on Ghandi, used his workers to build a road for faster reinforcement and chop. America then Hannibal, game over.

I settled my only GG, but also built a Ger, I think that it would have been better to just build units and settle the GG. I certainly didn't need the medic, when I needed to heal I had taken out a civ so was waiting for reinforcements anyways.


Maybe a continents map would have been more educational? It would force you to keep some AIs alive for trade (or not on noble :p) and then win via conquest post astro.
 
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