Upcoming polls

In this thread we can discuss what polls we need and when to start them. Below is a list of upcoming polls that I will keep updating

1. AMAZON acronym poll. Currently running in multi-choice format.

2. City placement. Being discussed. Poll will be posted by the time we are actually building a settler.

3. Research. Mining is voted to be next.

4. Absent officer rules. Running.

Some people were talking about the second one in the team lounge (I think). Someone proposed Dianapolis?

However, for the second one we'd need to open up a thread and get some ideas before voting on them. I'll go do that right now.

Can we sticky this, please?

Three questions:

1. Should be have a vote on who will be the first turn player soon?

2. Does anyone know how long the first turn will take? The decision on where to build our first city will be very important, but if the first turn is 24h, there might not be enough time to have a poll on this matter. Maybe someone who participated in the last democracy game can explain how this works.

3. How do we sticky this thread?

Norton I said:

1. Should be have a vote on who will be the first turn player soon?
2. Does anyone know how long the first turn will take? The decision on where to build our first city will be very important, but if the first turn is 24h, there might not be enough time to have a poll on this matter. Maybe someone who participated in the last democracy game can explain how this works.
3. How do we sticky this thread?

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1. No, we do not need to vote on Turnplayers. According to the AMAZON Constitution:

Turnplayers
... we will make a list of who wants to play turns and how many turns they want to play. Then we will simply take turns, with each member... taking a few turns, then passing the responsibility to whomever is next on the list.

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We can however, elect a default turnplayer to play the turns when the AMAZON who is "up" to play the turn is not available:

Turnplayers
...There will be at least one default turnplayer... We can elect the default turnplayer by poll

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The current list (from the AMAZON UN page) is:
1. Sommerswerd
2. Tinkerbell
3. TheMeInTeam
4. remake20
5. SilentConfusion

Any AMAZON can ask to be added to the list. I will post and sticky a Turnplayer Schedule, so that Turnplayers know when their turn is coming up.

2. The first turn in the last game took between 12 and 24 hours to complete (on sequential turns). Its hard to tell how long exactly because Pitboss is hard to get up and running(as you can see from our Team Pitboss). But you can check it out for yourself Here at the Turn Tracker Thread. This will give you a good idea about how long turns tend to last under different circumstances.

3. You go to the UN Forum and post a link to the Thread you want stickied in the "Needed Things" Thread, and you ask the Mods to "sticky" it.

I am still willing to turnplay, if I can connect.

Sommerswerd said:

We can however, elect a default turnplayer to play the turns when the AMAZON who is "up" to play the turn is not available

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I think turnplayers can solve this issue together and no poll is needed, but if anyone want to vote on this just say so.

2. The first turn in the last game took between 12 and 24 hours to complete (on sequential turns).

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Okay, so no official poll on first city placement then.

3. You go to the UN Forum and post a link to the Thread you want stickied in the "Needed Things" Thread, and you ask the Mods to "sticky" it.

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Thanks, done.

Norton I said:

Okay, so no official poll on first city placement then

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Well in the last game the Teams were given an advance screenshot of their starting location, so there was plenty of time to poll the location of the first city. I hope that something similar will be done here.

Sommerswerd said:

Well in the last game the Teams were given an advance screenshot of their starting location, so there was plenty of time to poll the location of the first city. I hope that something similar will be done here.

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Ah! That would be great. Although you miss the extra information you can get from the first warrior/scout move, but that can be somehow incorporated in the choices I guess...

I wouldn't mind being a turn-player for the mundane turns.

BTW if I DO get elected for turn player, I will work very had to get my comp working, so if a poll comes up soon, there is no reason not to vote against my cause my comp isn't connecting right now. Woah that was confusing to write. Wait am I seeing that we will have turn players rotate? I think we should have more than one TP, but having anyone who wants to I'm against.

remake20 said:

BTW if I DO get elected for turn player, I will work very had to get my comp working, so if a poll comes up soon, there is no reason not to vote against my cause my comp isn't connecting right now. Woah that was confusing to write. Wait am I seeing that we will have turn players rotate? I think we should have more than one TP, but having anyone who wants to I'm against.

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Turnplayers aren't elected as per our constitution. Why are you against allowing any AMAZON to be turnplayer? All AMAZONs are equal.

I did not read that very well... Well I think it's a good idea to have multiple turn players, but the team has to approve them first. And it does say we can elect a default turn player, so we're electing somebody.

nabaxo said:

I wouldn't mind being a turn-player for the mundane turns.

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OK . nabaxo has been added to the turnplayer list on the AMAZON UN page.

SilentConfusion said:

Turnplayers aren't elected as per our constitution... All AMAZONs are equal.

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Correct

remake20 said:

the team has to approve them first.

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Incorrect The Constitution provides:

Turnplayers
Anyone can play the turn.

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The Constitution goes on to say that we will make a list of turnplayers and then we will take turns, "as long as the team approves". So the "team approves" part applies to the method of scheduling, not the turnplayers themselves. Since the method of scheduling is already spelled out by the Constitution, if somebody wants a different method of scheduling then they should come up with some different options and request a poll.

remake20 said:

And it does say we can elect a Default Turn Player, so we're electing somebody.

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Correct The default turnplayer is the person who plays the turn when the turnplayer who is "up" is not available. So for example, if it is Tinkerbell's turn and Tinkerbell is out of town or too busy to play, then the responsibility goes to the next person on the list, and so on. However, if none of the other Turnplayers are available, then the default Turnplayer plays the turn.

We can have an election of a Default Turnplayer as soon as someone requests it, but like any poll, you need to post the suggested language and the choices here first so The Poll Master can take a look at it.

Can I say I am against the contitution that anyone can play a turn? I beilive that anyone who has the majority of apporvel of the team can turn play, but as many people can voluteer as they want.

remake20 said:

Can I say I am against the contitution that anyone can play a turn? I beilive that anyone who has the majority of apporvel of the team can turn play, but as many people can voluteer as they want.

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Of course you can certainly say that you are "against the Constitution" or that you don't agree with a provision in the Constitution. Any AMAZON is free to voice disagreement at any time. And we can amend our Constitution.

It seems like maybe you are saying you don't like the rules in the Constitution about turnplayers and you want a different rule. If you want a different rule, you have to tell the team what rule you want and then the team will vote on whether we want to stick with the rules we have or change the rules.

If you don't like something in the Constitution and you want it to be changed, that means that you want to Amend the Constitution. To Amend the Constitution all you have to do is write out what you want the Amendment to say in this thread, in the form of a poll Question. That way the Poll Master can take a look at it. Once the proposed Amendment (change) is finalized, and approved by the Poll Master, we put it to a vote. If the majority chooses to accept the Amendment then we Amend the Constitution, and the Constitution is changed. If the majority choose not to accept the Amendment, then the Constitution stays the way it is.

Okay here is the amendment: Wait my point is already in the constitution, in BOLD

Turnplayers
Anyone can play the turn. As long as the team approves, we will make a list of who wants to play turns and how many turns they want to play. Then we will simply take turns, with each member of the team who wishes to play, taking a few turns, then passing the responsibility to whomever is next on the list. AMAZONs playing the turn will be expected to follow the wishes of the team on any issue where teammates have made their wishes known, and use their best judgment on other decisions.

There will be at least one default turnplayer so that the turn always gets played if the person who's turn it is is not available. We can elect the default turnplayer by poll. If necessary, we can also change our turnplayer rules by poll.

We will make a list of things that we need in our turn log so that turnplayers know what to do when taking turns. If a turnplayer does not know how to do something (like taking screenshots or writing narratives) the default turnplayer can do it for them. Not being able to take screenshots or write naratives will not prevent anyone from being able to play turns.

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To do this, anyone can post a thread saying Turn Player Application - (Forum Name). With it, a poll saying, "Will you allow me to be a turn player?" then all AMAZONs vote on whether they think he/she can play turns. Then I would also a like to change the format of the turns taken by turn players. We take each person who has been allowed to turn play and divide them up into time slots. So each player can play the turn during their segment of the day. That way it will be a little bit more organized then saying I'll play the next 4 turns. This also allows our turns to go a little bit fast, because having 5 people being able to play at all times will make the game go faster (or at least our part)
For a poll question how is this:

I agree that we need to enforce the allowing tun player rule.
I agree that we should have time periods that turn players play in
I like both ideas
I think we're fine, anyone can turn play

How do you like my (that is Anonymoose ) amendment.

Thanks for posting your poll proposal r20, that is exactly how it should be done Now to address your concerns specifically:

remake20 said:

Wait my point is already in the constitution, in BOLD

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No r20 it is not. I explained that in This Post... More specifically, I said:

Sommerswerd said:

The Constitution goes on to say that we will make a list of turnplayers and then we will take turns, "as long as the team approves". So the "team approves" part applies to the method of scheduling, not the turnplayers themselves.

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I certainly can understand if that seems a little confusing, so let me explain.

The Constitution first says:
Anyone can play the turn. "Anyone can play... period, end of sentence. That is one rule/clause.

Then a new sentence starts:

As long as the team approves, we will make a list of who wants to play turns and how many turns they want to play.

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Then again, there is a period, ending another sentence. This is a seperate rule/clause. So as you can see, the "As long as the team approves" part applies only to that sentence. It only applies to us making the list of who wants to play how many turns.

Now of course Maybe the team does not approve... Maybe the team does not want a list of turnplayers and wants one AMAZON to just play until another AMAZON says "Hey I want a turn now!" and then that AMAZON becomes turnplayer. Maybe the team wants to vote on how many turns each AMAZON can play before they pass the batton to the next AMAZON. But that is all that the team has to decide, the way we schedule who plays the turn. The team DOES NOT have to approve the turnplayers themselves.

One concern I have with the team making a set time period (for turnplaying) instead of the turnplayers working it out among themselves, is that schedules can change. So if Tinkerbell says "I can only play on Thursdays" but the rule says that turnplayers have to play 4 turns, that would exclude Tinkerbell from playing and contradict the "Anyone can play" rule.

As I have already said before, a method of scheduling is already spelled out by the Constitution, so if somebody wants a different method of scheduling then they should request a poll.

remake20's proposed amendment
What it seems like you really want r20, is to amend the Constitution to remove the period at the end of "turn" and put a comma there instead, then put a period at the end of "approves" instead of a comma... Then it would say "Anyone can play the turn, as long as the team approves." But it DOES NOT say that now. I hope that is a little clearer now

@ Norton I- remake20 has requested a poll. So unless he withdraws his request, we need your input on the wording and a ruling on whether it can be posted as is, or whether it needs to be changed before posting, so that we can get his poll up in a timely fashion.

remake20 said:

For a poll question how is this:
I agree that we need to enforce the allowing tun player rule.
I agree that we should have time periods that turn players play in
I like both ideas
I think we're fine, anyone can turn play

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Based on my above comments, I would say that this suggested poll should be re-worded, because for example, the first choice is incorrect. There is no rule that requires the team to "allow" an AMAZON to be turnplayer (also "turn" is mis-spelled).

Of course, approval of the poll's wording is up to the Poll Master not me (unless Norton I is not available). Any AMAZON is free however to offer their suggestions on making this poll clear and fair.

That first vote is a has some confusion in the wording. I am still confused, about the period thing, but I think I know what you're trying to get to. And I now realize that I did have a typo that said "tun." .