Revisiting the Power Mod

Hydromancerx · May 3, 2010

While my proposed ideas for the Power Mod were cool, it is beyond my modding capabilities. Thus I am re-posting some ideas for the Power Mod so I can add it to HAND. Since I could not use Megawatts I converted 100 MW to +1 :hammers:

Spoiler :

As you can see I have a problem of things either making less than a hammer or tons of hammers. There is also the issue of cities not being able to spread hammer around like electricity.

Feedback is very welcome.

Galacticat42 · May 3, 2010

I'd suggest you wait until Affo's goods mod is released and make power a good.

Hydromancerx · May 3, 2010

Civ Fuehrer said:
I'd suggest you wait until Affo's goods mod is released and make power a good.

Hopefully its not too long of a wait. Since he has to do all the other mods on his list first. I do not want to have to wait, only to have Afforess stop modding and move on to Civ 5.

Afforess said:
Here are the results of the Poll:

1st Redesigned Vassalage.
2nd Election & Senate
3rd Personalized Maps
4th Food Redistribution System
5th Resource/Good System
6th Expanded Espionage
7th Advisors

Thank you to the 79 people who voted.

xartah · May 4, 2010

Why would fusion and three gorges dam give such massive production bonuses? Lack of electricity is hardly a major problem in real life production. Raw materials, equipment and manpower. Why is a fusion reactor even a national wonder? I don't think current theories require it to be a massive reactor that cannot be scaled down.

Hydroelectric dams are really powerful and make it even more important to found cities along rivers. They are also available really early and don't take into account the environmental damage caused by the flooding required for the GW hydroelectric plants.

What's a microwave disaster? Current plans for space-based solar power use beam intensities that are not harmful even at the highest point since the radiation is about equal in intensity to standing next to a microwave oven that is in use.

There are is a proposal for a tidal power plant over 1000 MW and estimated potentials for tidal power generation seem to be up to 800 GW so it should really not be a minor source of powerl.

Hydromancerx · May 4, 2010

xartah said:
Why would fusion and three gorges dam give such massive production bonuses? Lack of electricity is hardly a major problem in real life production. Raw materials, equipment and manpower. Why is a fusion reactor even a national wonder? I don't think current theories require it to be a massive reactor that cannot be scaled down.

1. Three Gorge Dam produces 25,000 MW of power.

2. Fusion power produces (in theory) 1,000,000 MW of power.

3. The fusion reactor was already a national wonder in RoM.

xartah said:
Hydroelectric dams are really powerful and make it even more important to found cities along rivers. They are also available really early and don't take into account the environmental damage caused by the flooding required for the GW hydroelectric plants.

This is true. Any suggestions on how to simulate it environmental impact?

xartah said:
What's a microwave disaster? Current plans for space-based solar power use beam intensities that are not harmful even at the highest point since the radiation is about equal in intensity to standing next to a microwave oven that is in use.

This is a throw back to Sim City 2000 where it would microwave your citizen if the beam was not pointed in the right spot. While not realistic it brings some fun to the game. Just like the myth of nuclear reactors blowing up like an atom bomb. They would be more like the chernobyl disaster.

xartah said:
There are is a proposal for a tidal power plant over 1000 MW and estimated potentials for tidal power generation seem to be up to 800 GW so it should really not be a minor source of powerl.

Hmm. That must be one huge tidal plant. Or they have become more efficient then my research sources.

xartah · May 4, 2010

Current designs for fusion reactors are still similar to fission and fossil fuel reactors in that the fusion acts as a heat source that drives a steam turbine. I'm not quite certain that it scales up to 1 TW power generation unless the reactor is humongous. The waste heat from such a reactor would most likely be too much for any materials available at the moment. That's why I feel that it would be better as a normal building rather than a wonder.

Not sure about hydroelectric dams. Maybe require a dam improvement in the city vicinity that removes production from that square but is required to build the power plant since dams are usually not built inside the cities. If no there's no tag to require an improvement in the vicinity then have the improvement provide a hydroelectric resource that provides no bonuses by itself in the square the dam is built on. The AI would obviously not have any idea on how to do this though. Maybe slower growth or something like that could work.

I'm not particularly fond of the nuclear meltdowns in civ since I find it to be annoying and highly unrealistic. There's hundreds of reactors in use in the world and only one of them has had a meltdown and that was due to truly ridiculous levels of incompetence and negligence. Solar power satellites cannot suddenly produce vastly more power than they normally produce assuming realistic designs that don't produce TW levels of power needed to cause a major accident before someone realizes to shut down the microwave beam. Designs like that fit simcity much better due to its non-competitive sandbox game play where watching your well-designed metropolis get torn down by aliens, godzilla or other disasters at the end.

The tidal plants use a barrier design where they build a dam across an entire bay so that the tidal changes make it act in a similar fashion to a hydroelectric dam. Requires specific conditions to be possible though and I doubt those are possible to code into the game to recognize. The wiki article is a good place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_power

I still don't understand why massive amounts of power should give massive production bonuses. You can't train an infantry division any faster with a lot of power nor is it going to enable building a skyscraper any faster either. Power is not the only limit on our production nor is it anywhere near the most important limits. Maybe have the Three Gorges Dam provide a free building that gives a production bonus in every city rather than a huge bonus in one city.

Hydromancerx · May 4, 2010

The tidal plants use a barrier design where they build a dam across an entire bay so that the tidal changes make it act in a similar fashion to a hydroelectric dam. Requires specific conditions to be possible though and I doubt those are possible to code into the game to recognize. The wiki article is a good place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_power

Ah. Yeah was meaning the underwater turbine style. Much like a wind turbine but underwater, rather than a dam-like one.

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