Killtech
Discutator
as the old struggle "why is there no communist government civic?" went a bit off topic and a discussion started about alternative government civics that represent reality a bit better and might render the game more interesting:
current version:
beta - Civics 20.07.2010
note:
for more detailed info i suggest you download & install it. then start a custom game on a duel sized map in the future era and then you can check out all the changes/new concepts for the government, power and organization changes in the civics adviser.
Government Civics:
Power Civics:
Organization Civics:
Society Civics:
to clarify: fascist and communists states had either a single party government (NSDAP - nazi party in germany, KPSS - communist party in soviet union) or were simply dictatorships. their power was usually founded on the military or a totalitarian system. the main difference between these fascism and communism lies in the ideology and economy civics which are not a part of this discussion.
Civic Buildings concept: (for Power Civic buildings)
there are three different approached to free opinion:
Freedom of Opinion: Forum => Free Press Agency => Info Net
Suppression of Opinion: Censorship Bureau => Propaganda Agency
Enforced Opinion: Execution Place => Reeducation Camp => Mind Control Center
each power civic unlocks one of these three chains depending on how it handles the right for opinion (but stay active with other civics except for Mind Control Center).
they are also used to simulate synergies between government and power civics: e.g. with democracy you can build a Free Press Agency that will unlock further economic boni for the democracy civic. but if you also run dictatorship government you will be severely punished from unhappiness from this building.
the Free Opinion buildings grant yield changes for specialists, GP production but reduce espionage defense.
the Oppression buildings reduce War Weariness and increase happiness but strike on your research output.
the Enforcement buildings boost production at the cost of research. they also increase espionage defense and the mind control is even able to null out any unhappiness!
General Civic Stats Idea:
the plan is that civics in the same category should modify the similar boni thus it is possible to characterize each civic group (e.g Government) with associated modifiers the civics they contain change.
for example all organization civics will restrict themselves to modifying city maintenance and capital/global commerce & production income. and revolution stats too.
for the power civics i understand some as a measure for how emancipated/free a civilization is. thus these civics will modify empire happiness agains war weariness (free civics give happiness but increase war weariness).
The balancing concept behind the Organization Civics:
smaller states run centralized or city state organization which has high maintenance cost for number of cities and/or distance to capital but increases commerce and production for the capital/n largest cities. thus smaller states don't fall back that easily in technology and economy and therefore cause much more of a challenge for larger empires. they also aim to make it possible to win the game with a small empire.
at the other hand large empires will be forced to run a federal or colonial organization due to the many cities they and their maintenance cost. thus they won't be able to get the boni for the small empire civics and must compensate that by acquiring more resources and more developed cities.
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feel free to post your ideas, critiques and opinions.
current version:
beta - Civics 20.07.2010
note:
for more detailed info i suggest you download & install it. then start a custom game on a duel sized map in the future era and then you can check out all the changes/new concepts for the government, power and organization changes in the civics adviser.
Government Civics:
Spoiler :
in Largest Cities
per military UnitPower Civics:
Spoiler :
Organization Civics:
Spoiler :
Society Civics:
Spoiler :
to clarify: fascist and communists states had either a single party government (NSDAP - nazi party in germany, KPSS - communist party in soviet union) or were simply dictatorships. their power was usually founded on the military or a totalitarian system. the main difference between these fascism and communism lies in the ideology and economy civics which are not a part of this discussion.
Civic Buildings concept: (for Power Civic buildings)
there are three different approached to free opinion:
Freedom of Opinion: Forum => Free Press Agency => Info Net
Suppression of Opinion: Censorship Bureau => Propaganda Agency
Enforced Opinion: Execution Place => Reeducation Camp => Mind Control Center
each power civic unlocks one of these three chains depending on how it handles the right for opinion (but stay active with other civics except for Mind Control Center).
they are also used to simulate synergies between government and power civics: e.g. with democracy you can build a Free Press Agency that will unlock further economic boni for the democracy civic. but if you also run dictatorship government you will be severely punished from unhappiness from this building.
the Free Opinion buildings grant yield changes for specialists, GP production but reduce espionage defense.
the Oppression buildings reduce War Weariness and increase happiness but strike on your research output.
the Enforcement buildings boost production at the cost of research. they also increase espionage defense and the mind control is even able to null out any unhappiness!
General Civic Stats Idea:
the plan is that civics in the same category should modify the similar boni thus it is possible to characterize each civic group (e.g Government) with associated modifiers the civics they contain change.
for example all organization civics will restrict themselves to modifying city maintenance and capital/global commerce & production income. and revolution stats too.
for the power civics i understand some as a measure for how emancipated/free a civilization is. thus these civics will modify empire happiness agains war weariness (free civics give happiness but increase war weariness).
The balancing concept behind the Organization Civics:
smaller states run centralized or city state organization which has high maintenance cost for number of cities and/or distance to capital but increases commerce and production for the capital/n largest cities. thus smaller states don't fall back that easily in technology and economy and therefore cause much more of a challenge for larger empires. they also aim to make it possible to win the game with a small empire.
at the other hand large empires will be forced to run a federal or colonial organization due to the many cities they and their maintenance cost. thus they won't be able to get the boni for the small empire civics and must compensate that by acquiring more resources and more developed cities.
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feel free to post your ideas, critiques and opinions.
