Arioch's Analyst Thread

AriochIV · Jul 20, 2010, 04:59 AM

I'm creating a new thread for this so we can stop gumming up Greg's Strategic View thread with screenshot analysis discussion.

I set up a Civilization V Analyst site so that I could post collections of screenshot- and video-culled data and analysis of it. The site has other stuff there too, but the images are the main thrust of the site.

If you have comments, suggestions or additions, feel free to use this thread.

Shurdus · Jul 20, 2010, 05:00 AM

Nice!

cccv · Jul 20, 2010, 05:06 AM

First comment-- great.
Second comment-- thank you.
Third comment-- I notice you speculate a bit about which unit the UUs will replace (and in the case of musketeers you state outright that they will replace musketmen). Have we ever been told that the UUs will be replacing regular units this time? Given that UUs are going to be really unique this time and not just regular units with little bonuses, I would actually guess that they won't.

V. Soma · Jul 20, 2010, 05:09 AM

ah, nice to have this thread!

Tomice · Jul 20, 2010, 05:10 AM

Again, great site! I just wanted to suggest that under "civs" you have the 2 unknown DLC Civs listed as "D2D exclusive" while I somehow understood that it's just the first DLC included in the price, while other can purchase it later?

sdlufkin · Jul 20, 2010, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriochIV

I'm creating a new thread for this so we can stop gumming up Greg's Strategic View thread with screenshot analysis discussion.

I set up a Civilization V Analyst site so that I could post collections of screenshot- and video-culled data and analysis of it. The site has other stuff there too, but the images are the main thrust of the site.

If you have comments, suggestions or additions, feel free to use this thread.

Your civilization link is broken (should be http://well-of-souls.com/civ/civ5_civilizations.html).

Awesome site, so much great info! Thanks again!

AriochIV · Jul 20, 2010, 06:05 AM

Thanks very much for the comments and the broken link correction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cccv

Third comment-- I notice you speculate a bit about which unit the UUs will replace (and in the case of musketeers you state outright that they will replace musketmen). Have we ever been told that the UUs will be replacing regular units this time? Given that UUs are going to be really unique this time and not just regular units with little bonuses, I would actually guess that they won't.

We haven't been told this, but I think we have strong evidence of it. On the The French version of the tech tree that we see in the first gameplay video, the Musketeer is the only item under Gunpowder, appearing to have replaced the regular Musketman. It's true that I'm assuming that the Musketman is still under Gunpowder, but I think that's a pretty safe assumption.

Johnny Be · Jul 20, 2010, 06:42 AM

Great Page Arioch!!

May I leave a suggestion? You could also put a Strategic map hex image in terrain types.

P.S. Plains now give 1 Food and 2 Hammer?? Where did you see that? (just asking to check it out, I'm not doubting!)

Commander Bello · Jul 20, 2010, 08:53 AM

Hi Arioch!

Just a short remark:
The German leader will be "Otto von Bismarck" not "Otto Von Bismarck"

PinkHammurabi · Jul 20, 2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Be

P.S. Plains now give 1 Food and 2 Hammer?? Where did you see that? (just asking to check it out, I'm not doubting!)

I'm fairly certain it should still be 1:1. In a lot of our pictures Civs are in a Golden Age which would give Plains a yield of 1:2.

However, Arioch comes up with stuff from vids that I didn't see so maybe that's changed and/or I'm just wrong.

And though I've said it before, love the site.

Johnny Be · Jul 20, 2010, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PinkHammurabi

I'm fairly certain it should still be 1:1. In a lot of our pictures Civs are in a Golden Age which would give Plains a yield of 1:2.

However, Arioch comes up with stuff from vids that I didn't see so maybe that's changed and/or I'm just wrong.

And though I've said it before, love the site.

If that's not the case, then plains will be much more valuable then on previous versions!

I'm not a power-player, but I remember a production analysis document made for Civ3 that showed which squares were more valuable and powerful!

I always loved those documents and analysis!! The level of complexity and strategy in a Civ game is mind boggling!

AriochIV · Jul 20, 2010, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PinkHammurabi

I'm fairly certain it should still be 1:1. In a lot of our pictures Civs are in a Golden Age which would give Plains a yield of 1:2.

Hammur's right, I didn't take into account that most of the videos have a Golden Age going. That explains a few things.

2K Greg · Jul 20, 2010, 11:37 AM

Awesome work Arioch!

PinkHammurabi · Jul 20, 2010, 12:14 PM

That's it, Greg? This means you won't fill in all the blanks? The second icon in the Philosophy tech in particular is bugging me. Looks like Arc de Triomphe but I don't get it's connection to Philosophy. It also reminds me of the artwork for The Sistine Chapel or Bach's Cathedral in CivIII though I don't recall which.

Edit: Second icon in Construction looks like The Great Wall.
Edit 2 (sorry still prodding): First icon in Acoustics looks to me like a grand organ in a Cathedral or something similar (e.g. Cathedral Building).

Calouste · Jul 20, 2010, 12:18 PM

Nice work Arioch

One addition I have for you is that the "Glory of Rome" has as the effect that all buildings that have already been build in the Roman capital are 20% cheaper to build in other Roman cities. (Sorry, can't remember the source.)

SammyKhalifa · Jul 20, 2010, 12:19 PM

What fun would that be, Hammur?

Calouste · Jul 20, 2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyKhalifa

What fun would that be, Hammur?

Wouldn't be much fun for Greg I guess. I don't think he would want to go through things item by item to see which information has been cleared for public release and which hasn't.

PinkHammurabi · Jul 20, 2010, 12:42 PM

I was only teasing.

Speculation is fun.

Though, truth be told, I wouldn't mind if he threw a bone our way.

Thyrwyn · Jul 20, 2010, 01:33 PM

I strongly suspect that some of the icons are for enabling one of the 10 social policy trees. The first one in Theology is similar to the art for the Piety Policy Tree (top row, 4th tree). The first icon in banking is similar to the Commerce tree (bottom right). It was stated that Tradition was the first policy tree available - not sure if it starts enabled, or is tied to an early tech.

In the image below, I think the trees are:

Top Row: Tradition, Liberty, Honor, Piety, Patronage
Bottom Row: Order, Autocracy, Freedom, Rationalism, Commerce

All of this is pure speculation, however

(Crappy image, I know - not sure of the original source)

Also: I suspect that the last icon in Education enables Research Pacts; and the last one in Currency enables Gold-trading.

Schuesseled · Jul 20, 2010, 01:40 PM

Tundra gives 1 food btw, it was on my list i compiled ages ago.

here we go, snag whatever you need from that:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=369530

Although probably not too much on there you haven't covered.

p.s. warrior has strength of 6 and movement of 2, but i have no screenshot to post on that.

Jul 20, 2010, 04:59 AM	#1
AriochIV HERETIC Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 2,795 Images: 19	Arioch's Analyst Thread I'm creating a new thread for this so we can stop gumming up Greg's Strategic View thread with screenshot analysis discussion. I set up a Civilization V Analyst site so that I could post collections of screenshot- and video-culled data and analysis of it. The site has other stuff there too, but the images are the main thrust of the site. If you have comments, suggestions or additions, feel free to use this thread. __________________ Civilization V Analyst - Brave New World update

Jul 20, 2010, 05:00 AM	#2
Shurdus Am I Napoleon? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Settle in place Posts: 2,291	Nice! __________________ I used to have a great sig. Then I took an arrow to the knee.

Jul 20, 2010, 05:09 AM	#4
V. Soma Deity Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hungary Posts: 3,044 Images: 2	ah, nice to have this thread! __________________ creator of: Clashing of Empires (A standard sized version of Rhye's Civ for Civ 3) My civ5 ideas: - Conditioned Technological Development \| Unit maintenance & supply \| Land Unit Combat idea for 2 UPT

Jul 20, 2010, 06:42 AM	#8
Johnny Be Warlord Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon - Portugal Posts: 152	Great Page Arioch!! May I leave a suggestion? You could also put a Strategic map hex image in terrain types. P.S. Plains now give 1 Food and 2 Hammer?? Where did you see that? (just asking to check it out, I'm not doubting!) __________________ Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians

Jul 20, 2010, 08:53 AM	#9
Commander Bello Say No 2 Net Validations Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: near Koblenz, Germany Posts: 3,423	Hi Arioch! Just a short remark: The German leader will be "Otto von Bismarck" not "Otto Von Bismarck" __________________ "It is from their critics, not their fanbois, that companies learn the lesson of making good software...." Aristophanes Bello Civ4:Colonization: Modmerge: "Religion and Revolution 1.3" and "2 Plots City Radius"

Jul 20, 2010, 05:06 AM	#3
cccv King Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 798	First comment-- great. Second comment-- thank you. Third comment-- I notice you speculate a bit about which unit the UUs will replace (and in the case of musketeers you state outright that they will replace musketmen). Have we ever been told that the UUs will be replacing regular units this time? Given that UUs are going to be really unique this time and not just regular units with little bonuses, I would actually guess that they won't.

Jul 20, 2010, 05:10 AM	#5
Tomice Passionate Smart-Ass Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Austria, EU, no kangaroos ;) Posts: 1,202	Again, great site! I just wanted to suggest that under "civs" you have the 2 unknown DLC Civs listed as "D2D exclusive" while I somehow understood that it's just the first DLC included in the price, while other can purchase it later?

Jul 20, 2010, 11:37 AM	#13
2K Greg 2K Games Community Manager Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 370	Awesome work Arioch!

Jul 20, 2010, 12:14 PM	#14
PinkHammurabi Warlord Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sewell, NJ (but from Philly!) Posts: 214	That's it, Greg? This means you won't fill in all the blanks? The second icon in the Philosophy tech in particular is bugging me. Looks like Arc de Triomphe but I don't get it's connection to Philosophy. It also reminds me of the artwork for The Sistine Chapel or Bach's Cathedral in CivIII though I don't recall which. Edit: Second icon in Construction looks like The Great Wall. Edit 2 (sorry still prodding): First icon in Acoustics looks to me like a grand organ in a Cathedral or something similar (e.g. Cathedral Building). __________________ The Hammur Last edited by PinkHammurabi; Jul 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM.

Jul 20, 2010, 12:18 PM	#15
Calouste Deity Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,055	Nice work Arioch One addition I have for you is that the "Glory of Rome" has as the effect that all buildings that have already been build in the Roman capital are 20% cheaper to build in other Roman cities. (Sorry, can't remember the source.)

Jul 20, 2010, 12:19 PM	#16
SammyKhalifa Emperor Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,317	What fun would that be, Hammur?

Jul 20, 2010, 12:42 PM	#18
PinkHammurabi Warlord Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sewell, NJ (but from Philly!) Posts: 214	I was only teasing. Speculation is fun. Though, truth be told, I wouldn't mind if he threw a bone our way. __________________ The Hammur

Jul 20, 2010, 01:33 PM	#19
Thyrwyn Guardian at the Gate Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: State College, PA Posts: 1,286	I strongly suspect that some of the icons are for enabling one of the 10 social policy trees. The first one in Theology is similar to the art for the Piety Policy Tree (top row, 4th tree). The first icon in banking is similar to the Commerce tree (bottom right). It was stated that Tradition was the first policy tree available - not sure if it starts enabled, or is tied to an early tech. In the image below, I think the trees are: Top Row: Tradition, Liberty, Honor, Piety, Patronage Bottom Row: Order, Autocracy, Freedom, Rationalism, Commerce All of this is pure speculation, however (Crappy image, I know - not sure of the original source) Also: I suspect that the last icon in Education enables Research Pacts; and the last one in Currency enables Gold-trading. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I play King Level, Huge Maps, Marathon Speed "We are creatures of the twilight. But it is out of our race and lineage that minds will spring, that will reach back to us in our littleness to know us better than we know ourselves, and that will reach forward fearlessly to comprehend this future that defeats our eyes." -- H. G. Wells, 1902

Jul 20, 2010, 01:40 PM	#20
Schuesseled Deity Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,034	Tundra gives 1 food btw, it was on my list i compiled ages ago. here we go, snag whatever you need from that: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=369530 Although probably not too much on there you haven't covered. p.s. warrior has strength of 6 and movement of 2, but i have no screenshot to post on that. Last edited by Schuesseled; Jul 20, 2010 at 01:48 PM.

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