First draft of Erebus lore

blue_cow_spit

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So I have revised some of the current ideas about the creation myth from the various sources out there. I have expanded upon it since most of them were only a short paragraph long. This is just a rough draft so if anyone has helpful ideas please let me know.
 
The beginning of all….

In the beginning there was only darkness, a dismal abyss, unforgiving and relentless in its pursuit to complete nothingness. Floating in the darkest of dark places roamed a single sentient thought. This thought was everything and nothing, the beginning and the end. From this thought arose more thoughts, those of worlds created, civilizations rising and falling, battles both won and lost.

These thoughts started massing, swirling, clashing, breaking apart as waves rising and falling against each other. In the midst of the chaos, a new thought has taken hold, and its name is Order.

Order grasped at the random thoughts, one after another, taking great pains to place them each in their proper time. But Order and Chaos cannot exist without each other, and upon completion of its task Chaos unveiled itself from the edge of nothingness and forced Order to absorb string of time it had created.

Order became pregnant with triplets. When Order began to give birth the first of its children, light graced the void for the first time, for Order had given birth to the sun. Chaos immediately became jealous of what Order had created.

Order then gave birth to its second child, a barren wasteland of crags, poisonous gases, and acid filed lakes. This world would later come to be known by the lesser races as Erebus. At this point Chaos was all but in a rage. Order had created such a spectacle bringing the sun and Erebus into life, and once the labor pains for the third child began, Chaos carefully snuck over to the sun and stole a piece for itself.

Chaos had not taken into account the immense heat from which the sun was made and proceeded to burn itself immensely, causing him to drop the piece he stole into one of the large acid filled lakes cooling almost instantly. While the stolen piece cooled in the ocean, Chaos blew the hot sparks from itself across the emptiness that surrounded the sun and Erebus, thus creating the stars seen in the night sky.

Once the piece had cooled, Chaos put it in place orbiting around the world of Erebus, almost as if to say look at what I created. But Order was not paying attention, for it had just given birth to the greatest of all its children, Temperance, the Keeper of Time.
 
Not to be rude, but it really doesn't mesh with the FfH lore.

For starters, there was just the One, no Order and Chaos. Second, Erebus, it's sun, etc, were created by the Angels (the 21 gods).

Thirdly, it doesn't mesh with some additions to the lore that are planned for Airandamar, that I unfortunately can't go into. :p
 
moo, another cryptic sentence

the new religion additions... are they just 'as viewed by their followers' or actual changes to the lore?

/edit:@meldon: already deleted that post and changed it, realized that it didnt make sense
 
Well it's easy to verify that the 21 Angels made Erebus because they actually interact(ed) with its inhabitants. There are so many different versions of creation legends for Earth because if there is a god(s) they don't interact with us.
 
Personally, I always envisioned the One as Yahweh...

@blue_cow_spit: You might want to focus on your efforts a specific civilisation or aspect of the Lore. The Jotnar don't have much in the way of Lore at present ;)
 
Not in any way, no.

It's not something any of you will guess, unless you've read EXACTLY the right books, and have the thought in your mind already.

It's fairly unique. :p

ok I think I understand. I will leave the creation mythos alone until more information about the one is revealed and it can be properly written. I just felt it was left incomplete the way it was written before.
 
We know that the 21 Angels/Gods created Erebus, and so most inhabitants of Erebus. They however know nothing of The One. The Luonnatar have managed to guess correctly/perhaps received some sort of revelation, but the 21 Gods have never shared that part of the story with mortals, and most of the inhabitants of Erebus consider the idea of One Almighty God who created their creators to be blasphemous.

Agares taught the inhabitants of his own world Nyx that he was the only god, but this was considered a very sinful act. (Also, Agares permanently destroyed all the inhabitants of his world right after The One withdrew from Creation.) The other angels acknowledged the importance of their peers and would not deny their existence even if they did seem to emphasize the importance of their own precepts. Why the angels have refused to tell mortal the truth of their maker is unclear, but in the case of the good gods it seems that they believe that he does not want to make himself known.


We know that the Archangels know of The One, but as they were not created until after he sundered the True Heaven from Erebus and cast out the 21 Gods, all their knowledge is secondhand, based on an amalgamation of 21 biased accounts with preference for the accounts their makers told. They may not have learned of The One until they met to negotiate The Compact, and may have been sworn to secrecy. It is unclear whether any lesser angels or demons know anything of The One.


It makes sense for the religions of Erebus to tell other stories of how the world began, especially about how their gods were born. I would not mind some such stories making it into pedia entries, but we should keep in mind that these myths are mistaken.



I have no real basis for this, but I personally like to think that Ceridwen has taught the Emyrs a cosmology resembling that of certain forms of Gnosticism. In this she would acknowledge the existence of The One, but claim he was actually an ignorant and malformed demiurge fallen from a higher pantheon. I imagine her claiming to be a fundamentally different being than the other gods, perhaps the penitent creator of The One rather than an ill design creation of Him. She may portray herself as Sophia, sent to liberate the immortal souls from the prison of the material multiverse which The One was responsible for creating. The evil gods and evil men may be seen as tools of the foolish god whom she is leading to enlightenment, and the righteous men and gods as emanations of The One that lacked of the divinity she wishes to liberate. She may claim that the sundering of Heaven and Erebus was actually her doing, that she has already destroyed The One and has stayed so that she might destroy all the worlds that blind our true souls from the beauty and freedom of the pleroma.
 
Erebus is a far more interesting world than our own. =/

Disagree very strongly. Erebus is an epic fantasy, and epic fantasy by necessity simplifies itself immensely to maintain verisimilitude without sacrificing brevity. It would be absurd, for instance, to try to accurately model Amurite economics when the majority of the citizenry can access magical power, even though this would certainly redefine all our preconceptions of the value of work and scarcity.

If you want complexity in origin stories, look to real-world religions - try Hinduism or Norse mythology if you don't feel like parsing through the infinitely contradictory morass of Abrahamic myth, or even something like Scientology, where an evil alien overlord stocked prehuman volcanoes full of paralyzed souls that now inhibit our natural psychic abilities and make us depressed. If you want magic that simultaneously awes and terrifies, try learning quantum mechanics - start simple, with stuff like Schrodinger's Cat and how light changes physical form based on whether or not you're looking at it.

Did you know that the voodoo wasp makes caterpillars into zombie bodyguards that stand guard, starving slowly, over its cocooned larvae and fight off attackers - only to die in direct and horrific correlation to the hatching of those larvae, as if the moment of their birth somehow ends its hold on life?

Don't go all Avatar Blues and start giving up on Mother Earth. As far as amazing things go, nothing beats reality.
 
But I'm from New Jersey.

I'd love to spend some time in the tropics and the Mediterranean, but I have no money and no passport. I'll be taking a lot of physics classes in college.

My favorite mythology is the Greek/Roman theories, because (among other reasons), like Erebus, the gods actually did interact with their subjects.

I think the real world is less interesting because we've pretty much got it all figured out. The only things we have left to discover are only really relevant to extreme experts in their fields and have little to do with every-day life. In fantasy worlds there's just so much more to discover- imagine how different society would have evolved if we had these unknown "magical" forces that could bend the fabric of space and time and create a whole new reality. Physics isn't in our control, it is the rules that are already in place, we just need to find out.
 
It would be absurd, for instance, to try to accurately model Amurite economics when the majority of the citizenry can access magical power, even though this would certainly redefine all our preconceptions of the value of work and scarcity.[/I].

Is is still only a minority of Amurites that have magical abilities, and most of those that do know only one or two very simple spells which are better for entertaining party guests than for making a living. Mages may be more common among them than other civilizations, but they are still very much a small elite.

Also, in Erebus magic still has to deal with work in the form of channeling and scarcity in the form of limited mana resources.
 

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Carke's third law of Clarke's three laws.

I think the real world is less interesting because we've pretty much got it all figured out
tell that a physicist, a biologist, an astronomer or a medical scientist and they will laugh at you. for sure.

The only things we have left to discover are only really relevant to extreme experts in their fields and have little to do with every-day life
once again wrong. think if physics. most of our knowledge is still pure theory, while of course some of them has a high chance of beeing correct, or near correct. and it has pretty much to do with the every-day life. there are many, many examples of it. think of all that luxury were enjoying today. i prefer living more than 50 years. not 300 years ago getting older happed rarely.
we just dont realize, because the human brain tends to simply ignore things we dont understand (otherwise pretty much of society and politics would just not work ;) ... especially religion! ouch! hot topic! )
which takes us to the second detail: you need to train your brain to start questioning. which is work. much work. acquiring knowledge is work. which is another reason why not everybody is an explorer, inventor and so on, its not as easy as depicted in movies. real exploring often takes months, weeks of often boring, everyday-the-same research.

In fantasy worlds there's just so much more to discover- imagine how different society would have evolved if we had these unknown "magical" forces that could bend the fabric of space and time and create a whole new reality
for many people its 'easier' to be creative than logical or researching. (although easier shouldnt be mistaken as less worth here)
you wrote it yourself - imagine.
when, what you call 'discovering' is working its mostly your creative part of the brain that is working, filling all that stuff you hear with more stuff coming from yourself. thats how entertainment, especially fantasy and soft science-fiction works, books would be four times as long telling every detail, its the stories that fill your brain and vice-versa the brain that fills the stories.
when imaginating you can think of what you think is true or not true, whatever. while working on real stuff you cant just say 'oh it was that way? - na i prefer it that way. from now on the aztecs have invented flying space-crafts. because i prefer it that way!'
research is something that goes slow and hard.

Physics isn't in our control, it is the rules that are already in place, we just need to find out
you need to find out how the game works before you can play it. while much of the future will surely not work the way star trek etc. show it, someday we will be able to bend reality in a limited way as we are already doing it, maybe not that far away from some of the ideas of science-fiction.
who would have thought 10 years ago a computer would fit into a thin plate of metal not wider than a book?
that doesnt sound phenomal because were used to it. not 100 years ago much of the stuff were using today would have looked like pure magic to the people. which brings us to the citation i put on the start. but in some way - it alters reality. the reality we have been used to.

im sorry if anything i wrote isnt understandable, writing that many english at once im sometimes using wrong phrasing and that stuff.
 
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