Curious about Liberatarianism

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I'm a Republican and curious about what Liberatarians believe about the government, the economy, etc.

here are my questions:

what do you think about the role government

what do you think about the economy

what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)

what do you think about the Tea Party

And I don't wnat to see people commenting to talk about how you think Liberatarians are stupid, that's just your opinion, this is an attempt to understand what their Party is all about
 
I'm a libertarian, though probably not the kind you're used to.

what do you think about the role government
Well what it's actually for is to protect class interests, but what it should be for is to counter-balance the abuses of capitalism. It would be best if it did not exist at all, though.

what do you think about the economy
Capitalism is about as anti-libertarian as you can get in modern day society.

what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)
Abortion legal. All drugs legal. Wars of aggression are wrong 99% of the the time. Death penalty abolished. Prostitution legal. Treat gays equally. Uh, more specific questions would be nice.

what do you think about the Tea Party
Misguided by corporate interests.

I didn't know they had Republicans in the Steppes. :P
 
Libertarianism: Screw you, got mine!
 
Libertarianism: Screw you, got mine!
Right-libertarianism. :( Left-libertarianism is hugs and kisses for all!

...And occasionally Molotovs. But mostly hugs and kisses.

...Well, 50/50, at least.
 
Right-Libertarianism is literally the worst

Bestbank Tiger: No its still literally Screw you, got mine
 
My views as a moderate right-wing libertarian.

what do you think about the role government

Most libertarians believe believe in 'limited' government and an extension of voting rights to more people.

what do you think about the economy

Uhh...too vague bro.

what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)

I'm really socially liberal so yea.

what do you think about the Tea Party

They are Neo-cons disguising themselves as libertarians. Normal libertarians would most likely be secular in their outlook and not be all rasist. Modern American (aka right-wing) libertarianism would overlap greatly with classical liberals and include people like Smith, Say, Malthus, Ricardo, Locke and Bentham.
 
I'm a Republican and curious about what Liberatarians believe about the government, the economy, etc.

here are my questions:

what do you think about the role government

what do you think about the economy

what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)

what do you think about the Tea Party

And I don't wnat to see people commenting to talk about how you think Liberatarians are stupid, that's just your opinion, this is an attempt to understand what their Party is all about

I think Mike Huckabee took them apart pretty good a couple of years ago. Republicans believe in limited government, not skeletal government. One can, in theory, have a compassionate conservative. Libertarianism, in practice, is the rejection of any form of public compassion.

Republicans are often accused of wanting to take society back to the 1950s (but with government at the level of the 1920s). Libertarians want to take us back to the 1870s.
 
I'm not a Libertarian, but I've debated enough self-labeled Libertarians to know about their philosophy.
I'm a Republican and curious about what Liberatarians believe about the government, the economy, etc.

here are my questions:

what do you think about the role government
Government role should be mainly to provide police and fire service, the courts, protect the nation from invasion, and thats about it.
what do you think about the economy
Completly hands off. The Government should only get involved if the industry is negatively affecting the rights of others (Nuclear waste contaminating the entire area, for example) or of the industry is violating others rights.
what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)
This is where they get divided on. Generaly everything would be legalized, but abortion is a toughie because it comes down to whether you consider a fetus sentient or not.
what do you think about the Tea Party
Probably think they are a bunch of nutters. IIRC, Ayn Rand was against religion as it was not based on empirical data.
this is an attempt to understand what their Party is all about
Wikipedia is your friend........
 
And I don't wnat to see people commenting to talk about how you think Liberatarians are stupid, that's just your opinion, this is an attempt to understand what their Party is all about

"That's just your opinion" is not a valid argument against something, especially when the prevailing consensus among experts disagrees with you. That said, I'd be happy to share some constructive thoughts on the matter if you can define your questions a bit.
 
what do you think about the role government
Broadly speaking, the role of the government is to protect that our rights are not violated by somebody else. If I try to rob your house, I'm violating your private property rights. If I try to do you bodily harm, I'm violating your right to live (in the sense that nobody has the right to take your life but yourself, not in the sense that you have an entitlement to having a tumor removed by the hospital at no direct cost to you.) The police, the court system, and the military all do this for us.

The role of the government, however, is not to feed, educate, clothe, bathe, and take care of you.

what do you think about the economy
The economy should be as free from government control as possible and that taxation and over-regulation exist and need to be scaled back.

what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)
Abortion is a difficult issue because it requires that we determine at what point life begins and whether it is moral to allow somebody to take that life.

what do you think about the Tea Party
Probably too willing to impose a broad socially conservative agenda but will hopefully "break the clock of social democracy."
 
So fix it :)
Figured you'd say that. :)

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The following may or may not reflect my actual views (indeed it's more extreme than I would comfortably endorse nowadays), but I am trying in this post to come as close to mainstream libertarianism as possible. Informed more by Friedman/Hayek than Mises, if that makes sense. I don't have Capitalism and Freedom or The Constitution of Liberty on hand so consider this a sketch.

For the record, I'd consider myself a mild libertarian on average, and a strong libertarian on the margin.
I'm a Republican and curious about what Liberatarians believe about the government, the economy, etc.

here are my questions:

what do you think about the role government
The government's primary role is the definition, protection, and enforcement of property rights. Specifically, the government acts to:
1. Maintain law and order
2. Define property rights
3. Serve as a means by which we modify property rights and other rules of the economic game
4. Adjudicate disputes about the interpretation of the rules
5. Enforce contracts
6. Promote competition
7. Provide a monetary framework
8. Engage in activities to counter technical monopolies
9. Engage in activities to counter neighborhood effects widely regarded as sufficiently important to justify government intervention
10. Supplement private charity and the private family in protecting the irresponsible
(Source: Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom. Copy-pasted this from one of my ooold posts from mid-2007.)

You will notice that most of these concern economics; this is typical of libertarian priorities. There is also a careful concern for property rights, which becomes even more pronounced as one goes in the more extreme directions.

More extreme libertarians would omit 10, 7, 8, 9, and 6, in that order.

Notice that there's little in the list concerning the so-called positive liberties. This is a feature and not a bug.

what do you think about the economy
Most libertarians are comfortable with the standard economic role of government: identifying and correcting market failures, internalizing externalities, providing the so-called 'public goods', regulation of monopolistic industries, and providing a minimal regulatory framework.

Libertarians view markets as an efficient method of organizing economic activity. Most think that serious (i.e., worth government intervention) externalities are small in extent and few in number; they also see large deadweight losses from taxation. Most think that monopoly is more often a product of government interference in the economy than the product of market forces. Neither of the previous two sentences mitigates the need for government intervention when it is truly needed; but one must also be careful of the costs of government intervention.

While many on the left emphasize the costs of market failure, libertarians focus on the costs of government failure -- over-regulation, improper regulation, regulatory capture, political rent-seeking, etc. There's a whole literature out of Chicago on this; the most important work being by Knight, Director, Coase, Stigler, and Becker.

what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)
Traditionally libertarians have been for gay rights, for abortion (though this varies considerably across individual libertarians), in favor of drug legalization, etc.

what do you think about the Tea Party
I think that most of them are a bit extreme, but that's just me. I'm fascinated by the rise of the movement, if put off by their views.

And I don't wnat to see people commenting to talk about how you think Liberatarians are stupid, that's just your opinion, this is an attempt to understand what their Party is all about
Note that the Libertarian Party is distinct from libertarianism or libertarians in general. There's a lot of diversity of views in this bunch.

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There is also a whole faux-Lockean 'philosophy' underlying the more serious libertarian arguments about property rights, but I'm not familiar enough with it to do it justice without coming off as really sarcastic and ill-intentioned.
 
I'm a Republican and curious about what Liberatarians believe about the government, the economy, etc.

Im not a liberatarian but il bite.

here are my questions:

what do you think about the role government

Liberatarians want the government to do as little as possible and have corporations with as little regulations as possible provide welfare and for the people. It doesnt take a genius to know that Small government + Large restriction-less corporations = Private interests and NOT public interests. We need the government to have a role as well to balance out the private interests. Funny though that our government doesnt care about our people for the most part.

If mostly republicans get elected this fall kiss goodbye to social and economic reform and say welcome home to bush era policies.

what do you think about the economy

It should be mixed with government controlling crucial industries such as power and public schools, possibly medical care as well we can just have the government fun everyones medical care.

Libertarians view? See previous response.
what do you think about social issues (abortion, etc.)

Honestly politicans should stop basing their platform on negligible issues such as abortion and get to worrying about running the country. The only people who have a problem with gay marriage are the people who have a problem with homosexuals. If you arent biased against homosexuals but have a problem with gay marriage please tell me why.
what do you think about the Tea Party

Worst thing to come to this country, if they change politics like i think they will you can bet I will leave the U.S for greener pastures once i finish my education.
And I don't wnat to see people commenting to talk about how you think Liberatarians are stupid, that's just your opinion, this is an attempt to understand what their Party is all about

If they weren't stupid than they wouldn't be campaigning for policies that make absolutely no sense to one of a rational mind.
 
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