Darth Caesar
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Who's the biggest Star Wars geek on CFC?
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Dachs.
Obviously, you.
Darth Caesar
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Sounds like I've got competition.
I spent some minutes defending the outcome of the Battle of Endor on tactical grounds to the guys with whom I ate dinner tonight. Depressing, ain't it?
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Jewel Runner
I'm sorry, but how the hell do you do that?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
It's pretty easy. The 501st was there for one reason, and one reason only: to guard a hardpoint. Dispersing into the forest to hunt down Ewoks was a pretty terrible idea under the circumstances, because it left the shield generator relatively uncovered. Plus, dispersion invited defeat in detail; that it came from Chewbacca and the commandeered AT-ST was contingency, but not ridiculous by any means. (Though the Tarzan yell was kinda childish.) In addition, the Ewoks themselves might have been individually pretty pointless, and the traps they used kind of stupid, but they were leavened by several Rebel special-forces type dudes, rather in the same kind of role American Green Berets played among the Northern Alliance and Kurds in 2001 and 2003 respectively. I mean, under those circumstances - the stormtroopers pulling stupid crap, and their enemies' relative non-crappiness - the ground battle's outcome isn't as ridiculous as just "lol ewoks vs stormtroopers".
I mean, you get the same sort of crap when talking about how inaccurate the supposedly elite stormtroopers were. Except that during both of the escape attempts during which the stormtroopers supposedly sucked at killing the Rebels, they were supposed to let the Rebels go. On the Death Star, Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, in order to lead the Imperials to Yavin 4. On Bespin, Leia, Lando, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, pick up Luke, and deliver him right back into Vader's hands - that's why the Falcon's hyperdrive had been deactivated. But nooo, stormtroopers are idiots and poor shots, and the Empire a bunch of incompetent loons. Never mind, of course, that one of the 501st guys on Endor hit Leia in the arm from across the shield generator clearing, disarming her.
**** me.
I mean, you get the same sort of crap when talking about how inaccurate the supposedly elite stormtroopers were. Except that during both of the escape attempts during which the stormtroopers supposedly sucked at killing the Rebels, they were supposed to let the Rebels go. On the Death Star, Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, in order to lead the Imperials to Yavin 4. On Bespin, Leia, Lando, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, pick up Luke, and deliver him right back into Vader's hands - that's why the Falcon's hyperdrive had been deactivated. But nooo, stormtroopers are idiots and poor shots, and the Empire a bunch of incompetent loons. Never mind, of course, that one of the 501st guys on Endor hit Leia in the arm from across the shield generator clearing, disarming her.
**** me.
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The bigger issue then on the Death Star is how the Stormtroopers suck at not dying.For people who are supposed to let the guys escape, you'd think they'd use cover a little more, and not lose a few guys in the process of letting people escape.
Same with the TIE fighters, you'd think thy'd pull back after losing one or two.
Same with the TIE fighters, you'd think thy'd pull back after losing one or two.
The answer's probably hewhoksnoall or someone similar but it would be heady competition - but that doesn't make it all a good thing.
Also, all of the above fails to address things like the mere existence of ground weapons and various vehicles which are supposed outclassed by a million to one or more in firepower.
Also, all of the above fails to address things like the mere existence of ground weapons and various vehicles which are supposed outclassed by a million to one or more in firepower.
I'm not trying to provide a logical explanation for everything about Star Wars that basically turns the "science" into magic. Just the stuff that I can explain. Besides, most of the stuff about weapons is contradictory across the canon, and discussing it is pretty pointless as far as I'm concerned.
Well, he did blow up a lot of crap with the two Eclipses and the Galaxy Gun, like the Fifth Moon of Da Soocha and a huge chunk of the Republic's fleets. He just didn't get to finish because YAY THE GOOD GUYS CAME IN AND BEAT HIS ASS
He wasn't able to access the Sun Crusher cause it was in the Maw until after he was already dead. Again.
He wasn't able to access the Sun Crusher cause it was in the Maw until after he was already dead. Again.
Pfft. We all know the real reason the 501st got whooped by the Ewoks on Endor is because the Emperor was dead. They had no real fighting spirit of their own anymore. No one in the Imperial Fleet did. It was the Emperor's will that drove them, his mind that provided them with strength and resolve and efficiency. They were as dependent on his presence as if they were borg-implanted to a combat coputer.It's pretty easy. The 501st was there for one reason, and one reason only: to guard a hardpoint. Dispersing into the forest to hunt down Ewoks was a pretty terrible idea under the circumstances, because it left the shield generator relatively uncovered. Plus, dispersion invited defeat in detail; that it came from Chewbacca and the commandeered AT-ST was contingency, but not ridiculous by any means. (Though the Tarzan yell was kinda childish.) In addition, the Ewoks themselves might have been individually pretty pointless, and the traps they used kind of stupid, but they were leavened by several Rebel special-forces type dudes, rather in the same kind of role American Green Berets played among the Northern Alliance and Kurds in 2001 and 2003 respectively. I mean, under those circumstances - the stormtroopers pulling stupid crap, and their enemies' relative non-crappiness - the ground battle's outcome isn't as ridiculous as just "lol ewoks vs stormtroopers".
I mean, you get the same sort of crap when talking about how inaccurate the supposedly elite stormtroopers were. Except that during both of the escape attempts during which the stormtroopers supposedly sucked at killing the Rebels, they were supposed to let the Rebels go. On the Death Star, Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, in order to lead the Imperials to Yavin 4. On Bespin, Leia, Lando, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, pick up Luke, and deliver him right back into Vader's hands - that's why the Falcon's hyperdrive had been deactivated. But nooo, stormtroopers are idiots and poor shots, and the Empire a bunch of incompetent loons. Never mind, of course, that one of the 501st guys on Endor hit Leia in the arm from across the shield generator clearing, disarming her.
Based on that above paragraph, the biggest Star Wars nerd here may well be me. Though I've slacked off on my Star Wars nerdism since Lucas started raping the EU in addition to the films.
And Dachs, for actually explaining the Battle of Endor as anything other than "Lucas is a tool" you are nothing but a filthy Lucasfilm apologist. That makes you worse than the Legacy storyline. You're a bad man.
Darth Caesar
Might be a Wizard
It's pretty easy. The 501st was there for one reason, and one reason only: to guard a hardpoint. Dispersing into the forest to hunt down Ewoks was a pretty terrible idea under the circumstances, because it left the shield generator relatively uncovered. Plus, dispersion invited defeat in detail; that it came from Chewbacca and the commandeered AT-ST was contingency, but not ridiculous by any means. (Though the Tarzan yell was kinda childish.) In addition, the Ewoks themselves might have been individually pretty pointless, and the traps they used kind of stupid, but they were leavened by several Rebel special-forces type dudes, rather in the same kind of role American Green Berets played among the Northern Alliance and Kurds in 2001 and 2003 respectively. I mean, under those circumstances - the stormtroopers pulling stupid crap, and their enemies' relative non-crappiness - the ground battle's outcome isn't as ridiculous as just "lol ewoks vs stormtroopers".
I mean, you get the same sort of crap when talking about how inaccurate the supposedly elite stormtroopers were. Except that during both of the escape attempts during which the stormtroopers supposedly sucked at killing the Rebels, they were supposed to let the Rebels go. On the Death Star, Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, in order to lead the Imperials to Yavin 4. On Bespin, Leia, Lando, and Chewie were supposed to get to the Falcon and escape, pick up Luke, and deliver him right back into Vader's hands - that's why the Falcon's hyperdrive had been deactivated. But nooo, stormtroopers are idiots and poor shots, and the Empire a bunch of incompetent loons. Never mind, of course, that one of the 501st guys on Endor hit Leia in the arm from across the shield generator clearing, disarming her.
Good analasys
Both are completly expendable rescources, trust me I know from my own conquest of the Galaxy
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Darth Caesar
Might be a Wizard
BTW The Endor discussion is the best i've seen on CFC.
The Thrawn quote is nice, but it doesn't explain the ass-whooping that the 501st got before Palpatine was dead...just the space battle stuff afterwards.
Darth Caesar
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Because Star Wars is the most awesome thing in the universe!
Now lets examine the Death Star attack.
First we've got to think about the Thermal exhaust port, I mean really during the construction they never thought that it could cause a chain reaction causing it to blow up? And get this that Exhaust Port was entirely unnescesary, it was not needed, it was a architectural mistake that it was there!
And why did it have a trench leading up to it, it was like paving a road for the enemy to use to cause your destruction! And they couldn't of added a a durasteel metal grating over it? Why not? And as to the actual defense grid, they should of have more accurate gunnersm,more skilled Tie pilots, and a faster way of deploying them into combat. Not to mention the fact that they could've hyperspaced around Yavin to get to the moon and not have to wait 30 Minutes to orbit the planet to blast the stinking moon. And Darth Vader should of have some cover above the trench to keep things like the Milennium Falcon from happening to him.
Darth Caesar
Might be a Wizard
Make a seperate one. I had a question but everyone got so caught up in that crap that nobody will find it now
HOW DARE YOU CALL STAR WARS CRAP! It's the most awesome story ever!
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