Playtest of WWGD and PWM and CSD

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Here I will write a playtest story:

Part 1

Spoiler :

SETTING
Attila Mods v13 + Copasetic UI Tweaks v4 + Unofficial Patch III v30 + City States Diplomacy 2.61
+ PlayWithMe v4 + WhatWouldGandhiDo version 0.1

Prince level
Small map, standard, pangea, 3 million yrs,
8 civs, 8 CSs
No ancient ruins


I am Japan

Turn 1
I am at a river, lots of flood plains, 2 wheats, some hills, marble, spices (2).
I decide on going for culture win, perhaps with a plan of 3-4 cities.

Turn 17
I meet my first neighbor (?) civ, they come from NE – the Aztecs.. eh…
Kyoto at size 4, I have a worker, now begin Stonehenge (not a settler… I hope it will be an OK decision)

To the W near is CS Edinburgh (militaristic)

Turn 21
I meet my 2nd neighbor from the NW – the Greeks...

To the S near is CS Lhasa (cultured)

Turn 25
The Aztecs protect Edinburgh AND one turn later Lhasa as well!

Turn 28
I meet the 3rd civ: from N – England

Turn 30
Stonehange is mine!
I will build 2 warriors, then a settler will come…

Turn 35
I lead in score (perhaps because of Stonehenge)
Greek – friendly
Aztec – neutral
England – neutral

Turn 45
Greek – friendly
England – guarded (we may be threat)
Aztec – neutral

Turn 50
Greek – guarded (same victory)
England – guarded
Aztec – neutral

To my NE: CS Florence (cultured)

Turn 51
Greek comes and turns hostile because of my weak economy…

Turn 52
I drop my 2nd city close to the north:
At river, 2 wheats, 1 deer, 1 horse (4)

see attached pic from turn 52
 

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Which difficulty are you playing on? Also, for people not following mods so closely, you might want to spell out the acronyms :)

Japan's ability is quite strong in PWM with higher HP and slow healing, so make good use of it.
 
Hmm, I see one thing I want to tweak already from this. I think I should be able to delay maybe til turn 100 when the AI assesses your victory condition patch.
 
Sneaks said:
Hmm, I see one thing I want to tweak already from this. I think I should be able to delay maybe til turn 100 when the AI assesses your victory condition patch.
Click to expand...

Consider game speed... so not 100 turns but a ratio, sg like 1/4 of gameplay or the like
 
Yeah, I recognize that as an issue. I will need to see whether it is a variable I can tweak.
 
PART 2

Spoiler :

Turn 52
Greek protects Florence

Greek denounces me!
They covet my land, besides that victory thing…

England is friendly
Aztec is neutral, but they covet our land

I am 7th in military…

Turn 60
I trained 2 archers, I have 6 military units and this makes me No. 4. in soldiers.
Diplo has not changed since turn 52

Turn 64
I clear barb camp for Florence – we’re friends

Turn 65
I aggressively buy land in my N city Osaka to get the Dyes luxury
Diplo has not changed since turn 52

Turn 70
I clear camp for Edinburgh – we’re friends, also this could be place for my 3rd city

Turn 71
England comes for mutual Open border – I take it

Turn 75
Nothing new – where are the other 4 civs?

I drop my 3rd city, Tokyo at SW: near iron, deer, sheep, dyes, lots of hills

Turn 80
Greece protects Edinburgh

Turn 85
Not much, I am at 0 happiness, cities are size 10, 4, 1

Ah, i discover the first AI city, the Greeks are N of Edinburgh, 7-8 tiles W from my N city Osaka

Turn 86
Greece comes to say my people are sorrow (-1 happiness), and he is hostile (this isn’t news)

Turn 90
We meet the Mongols! They come from the E, E of Florence…
Nothing is written in Global Politics about the civs, no relations between them…

We lead in score but Greece is close at 2nd...


We’re 1st in land, population, crop, goods
2nd in literacy
4th in soldiers
6th in GNP
8th in approval
 

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Part 3

Spoiler :

Turn 93
England comes to have RA with me, I accept it

I discover Aztec borders, 6 tiles N of Osaka…
(Where is England’s?)

Turn 95
Some international stirrings:
Greece takes the lead in score, and also denounces the Aztecs…

Some civ entered the Medieval era

Turn 97
Aztec comes and ask to have war against Greece – I say give me 10 turns

Turn 102
I send messenger to Edinburgh – we’re allies
England comes to say she doesn’t like it…

Turn 108
The time has come: we and Aztecs declare war on Greece
My alliy Edinburgh also is on our side in the war (they are near S of Greece…)
I am 2nd in soldiers with 11 units, (2 horsemen, 1 swordsman, 1 catapult, 3 archers, 2 spears, 2 warriors)

diplo:
England became guarded: same victory, same City state...
 
You really want to build more workers. Improving tiles like wheat is very important in PWM or the AI will overtake you despite the good starting position.

By the way, I'd be interested in hearing about how many units Edinburgh gifts you. I buffed Military CS quite a bit so I usually get one or two instead of building units myself.
 
Edinburgh gave me 2 horsemen and an archer until now, I liked that (getting units every 9-10 turns)

I have two workers, well, maybe 3 would be better as now,
but tiles for capital and 2nd city are well improved...
 
Part 4

Spoiler :

Turn 110
I pillage Greek iron
Monty asks for open border, I give it (so he can go attack Greece)
Monty comes that he doesn’t like my units being close to his border. Eh, Greek border is there, you know…

Aztec is friendly, though (I guess open border made it)

Turn 120
I see no war actions where my units are standing at the Greek border…
I tried to make DoF with the Aztecs, but to no avail.
I build roads and improve lands.
I have Lhasa as ally, Edinburgh went down to friends

Turn 124
Alex wants peace and gives me 1 luxury, 385 gold and open borders – I take it…
I meet Babylon from the E…
England comes for RA which I take.
I go and make RA with Aztecs

Turn 125
Greece guarded (denounced me, same victory, same CS, covet land)
England guarded (same victory, same CS)
Babylon neutral (same victory)
Aztec friendly
Mongolia neutral

Turn 127
Babylon fear my units near his borders – but I cannot even see his borders…

Turn 132
Nothing in diplo
I am now allied with the two cultural CSs near me (Lhasa, Florence).
Roads are built, some TPs too.

I am first in population and literacy
2nd in crpop, and goods
3rd in all else, except
Approval: 8th


Part 5


Spoiler :
Turn 142
I have GA
It is 640 AD, I am learning Chivalry.
Diplo with Greece is still guarded but remarks changed: (denounced me, same CS, covet land)
So Alex changed his mind on victory?

Turn 145
I sell spices to the Aztecs for 179 gold

Turn 149
I make RA with Mongolia
My approval is getting better: I am 5th (99%)

Greece and Aztec signed peace – this was not much of war action there…

Turn 160 – 1000 AD
I am 2nd is soldiers, population, crop, literacy
Approval went down to 81% (8th)

Diplo is same as last reported

I have 4/5 of Tradition
And 2/5 of Piety
Culture is 60/turn

Turn 171
I trade luxury with Mongolia in 1:1 ratio

Score:
Mongolia: 420
Greece: 388
Unmet Player: 375
Me: 373

I am in Ranaissance Era, building Opera Houses

Turn 177
Mongolia DoW on Babylon!

Turn 179
Mongolia comes and offers DoF! I accept.

Mongolia – friendly (DoF)
Babylon - friendly (desire F)
Aztec – friendly (desire F)
England – guarded (same V, same CS)
Greece – guarded (Dd us, covet, same CS)

Turn 180
Mongolia comes and wants to attack England with me – I reject.
(Mongolia has ongoing war against Babylon…)

Turn 186
England makes RA with me but only for plus gold an OB
1260 AD
With the 2 free SPs I open the Freedom tree is SP and also get the wonder 100% bonus
Culture is 105/turn

Turn 200

I have made a Knight
I am 1st in approval (100%), also 1st in literacy
2nd in soldiers

An Unmet Player is leading in score (525), I am 4th with 413
 
I like that Alex changed victory conditions, but am cranky at the stupid soldiers near the border thing. It must be somehow related to LoS instead of actual borders, and is probably hardcoded into the DLL. I cannot get rid of a mechanic that is actually useful when used right, so that part may have to stay for now.
 
Part 6

Spoiler :


Turn 202
I sell 2 luxuries to Mongols for 1 and 200gp
I make RA with Aztecs and I give 1 extry luxury for it

Turn 211
Greece denounced my friend, Mongolia
I meet the Persians, they are the leading civ

Mongols come to ask for war against England – I say wait 10 turns

Turn 212
Mongols coma for RA – I accept

1530 AD
I have Gunpowder
Culture is 135/turn

Turn 222
Mongols make peace with Babylon
And DoW on England, with me as allies

My plan is to defend on a canyon I have to the E, where England is
I have excellent defensive land there
My ally Lhasa also is a defense from the S

Turn 228
I made RA with Greece!

Politics:
Greece – natural, though with same causes as before!
Mongolia – friendly (DoF)
Persia – neutral (same V)
Aztec – friendly
Babylon – gurded (same V)
England – war

I am first in approval (100%)
2nd in literacy (England is 1st)

Turn 233
I trade with Mongolia, Aztec, Babylon

Turn 237
England wants peace and gives me money for this – I accept

I make RA with the Aztec and also with England

Turn 242
I get a Musketman from Edinburgh

Turn 250

Greece denounces Mongolia

(Greece is denounced by Aztec and Mongolia)

England denounces us!

Turn 253

Babylon denounces us!

Turn 254

Babylon denounces Mongolia

Turn 255

Mongolia – friendly (DoF)
Persia – neutral (Same V)
Aztec – friendly
Babylon – guarded (Dd us, DoF w enemy, same V)
England – guarded (same V, Dd us, same CS, warmonger)
Greece – neutral (Dd us, DoF w enemy, same CS, covet land)

Mongolia comes to ask for war vs. Babylon – I say give 10 turns

Turn 265

Mongolia and Aztecs declare on Babylon, and I also DoW on B

Turn 270

I am 1st in approval
2nd in literacy and population
5th in soldiers
6th in crop, goods

Babylon makes peace with me for gold, gpt, 1 luxury and OB

Turn 279

England denounces the Aztecs

Turn 281

Aztecs ask me to DoW England together – I accept

Turn 284

England denounces Mongolia

I have museums in all 3 cities
Culture is 185/turn

1834 AD
I enter the Industrial era


Part 7

Spoiler :


Turn 290

Babylon denounces the Aztecs

I meet the last unmet civ, Siam

Turn 300

I make peace with England

Aztecs ask me to go DoW Babylon – I accept

Blocks are clearly set apart:

I, Mongolia and Aztecs (bith friendly)

England, Greece and Babylon denounced me and my friends
But also
Persia – neutral (Dd us, same V, same CS, warmonger)
Siam – neutral (Dd us, same CS, warmonger)

Turn 302

Persia becomes hostile! (Dd us, same V, same CS, warmongering)

Turn 307
GA: culture is 270/turn

Turn 308

Aztecs conquer many Babylonian cities

Persia attacks the Aztecs!
 
Part 8


Spoiler :
Turn 313
Babylon comes for peace – I accept

My army is kind of mid-sized, 2/3 of the biggest one, Mongolia

Turn 317
WAR!
Greece comes and DoW on me for being “close to him”
The Aztecs are no help (they have war vs. Persia and Babylon), others (Mongols) would be too far,
I have to deal with it myself.
I have a mixed army, some medieval, some 19th c – Greece has medieval so far…
I plan to pillage and defend

Edinbugh is a problem, they are allies of Greece, therefore they attack me!

I also have war vs. England, as I agreed to have that with Mongolia and I don’t want to back off…

It will be exciting…

Greece attacks on 3 fronts!
NW: their land
W: from Edinburgh with a rifle and a cannon (not organized)
SW: a musketman

Turn 325

It’s world at war

Greece and England vs. me and Aztecs
Aztecs are also at war vs Babylon and Persia (that makes 4 enemies at once!)
Mongolia is vs. Babylon and England

Siam has no war…

Turn 326
Persia also attacks me…

Turn 333
Siam denounces us

I need 7 more SPs to complete for Utopia to build

I have infantry units, disband old ones

Babylon DoW me

Turn 343

Peace with England


Turn 355

I razed 2 Greek cities and Alex accepted simple peace

Diplo:

Mongols – friendly (DoF)
Aztecs – friendly (wish F)
Siam – guarded (Dd us, DoF w. enemy, warmonger)
England – guarded (Dd us, DoF w. enemy, warmonger, covet land /this is new/, same CS)
Greece – guarded (war, Dd us, DoF w. enemy, warmonger, covet land, same CS)
Babylon – war
Persia – war

I am 3rd in soldiers
1st in approval and population

Turn 357
Peace with Babylon (guarded) and Persia (hostile) – end of wars for me

1939 AD
I have Flight – I build Zero units, also tank

Turn 381
I need 5 more SPs to complete
 
my ultra-defensive position vs. England (see pic 1 attached)

my Greek front at NW (see pic 2 attached) - later I razed the two Greek cities...
 

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Part 9 (last)


Spoiler :
Babylon is conquered…
(first it was the Aztecs, then Mongolia finished them up, now Mongolia is neighbor to me)

England has fighters and uses them vs Mongolia!

Turn 383
Mongolia asks me to DoW Persia – I say wait 10 turns…

I can trade luxury evenly with my friends: 2:2 with Mongolia, 1:1 with Aztecs

I also have a DefPact with Mongolia…

Turn 401

War vs. Persia (with Mongolia as ally)

Darius has made the Manhattan Project!

Aztecs and Mongolia are friends
Siam, England and Greece are guarded

I have 3rd army but close to 1st (Mongolia)

Aztecs denounce Siam and England

1995 AD I enter the Modern era (after England and the Mongols)

Turn 418

Every war ended

Mongolia denounces Siam

England doesn’t like my ally with Edinburgh (I have all near 3 CSs as allies)

I have Def Pact with Mongolia

Turn 420

England attacks me! Greece attacks me!
I have Mongolia and 3 Css as allies in this big war…

I have tanks, infantry, arty, zero fighters – can build bombers, too

Siam also attacks me!
He was friendly with me (Dd us, DoF w enemy) – this has not changed, yet he DoW me…

Turn 425

Persia DoW me

I am angry and raze Greek cities and annex Athens

Mongolia finishes Manhattan Project

AI civs (Greece, England, Mongolia) use air force (fighters),
And use arty in cities.

Turn 448

Peace with Siam

Turn 454

Peace with Persia

I need one more SP to begin Utopia

Turn 459

Peace with England
Only Greece doesn’t give in…

Turn 464

Aztecs DoW on Greece! I like that, Monty! Finish him off!

Mongols Dow Greece
Persia DoW on Mongolia! (I don’t have DefPact w. Mongolia)

Turn 466

England attacks Mongolia!

And Greece asks for peace – I accept…

No war on my side!


Turn 469

Game freezes… no help :(
 
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