New Study: Liberals have Thicker Brains

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Brain thickness determines political leaning: study
Neuroscientists are examining whether political allegiances are hard-wired into people after finding evidence that the brains of conservatives are a different shape to those of left-wingers.

Scans of 90 students' brains at University College London (UCL) uncovered a "strong correlation" between the thickness of two particular areas of grey matter and an individual's views.

Self-proclaimed right-wingers had a more pronounced amygdala - a primitive part of the brain associated with emotion while their political opponents from the opposite end of the spectrum had thicker anterior cingulates.


The research was carried out by Geraint Rees director of the UCL Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience who said he was "very surprised" by the finding, which is being peer reviewed before publication next year.

It was commissioned as a light-hearted experiment by actor Colin Firth as part of his turn guest editing BBC Radio's Today program but has now developed into a serious effort to discover whether we are programmed with a particular political view.

Professor Rees said that although it was not precise enough to be able to predict someone's stance simply from a scan, there was "a strong correlation that reaches all our scientific tests of significance".

"The anterior cingulate is a part of the brain that is on the middle surface of the brain at the front and we found that the thickness of the grey matter, where the nerve cells of neurons are, was thicker the more people described themselves as liberal or left wing and thinner the more they described themselves as conservative or right wing," he told the program.

"The amygdala is a part of the brain which is very old and very ancient and thought to be very primitive and to do with the detection of emotions. The right amygdala was larger in those people who described themselves as conservative.

"It is very significant because it does suggest there is something about political attitudes that are either encoded in our brain structure through our experience or that our brain structure in some way determines or results in our political attitudes."

Mr Firth - who recently declared he had ended public support for the Liberal Democrats - said he would like to have party leader and now Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg subjected to the tests.

"I think we should have him scanned," he said.

He said the coalition made him "extremely uneasy" but would not rule out voting Lib Dem in future.

"I would have to see what identity they took on because I don't recognise them at the moment. I think all three parties are in a state of re-evaluation."

Talking about the experiment, he said: "I took this on as a fairly frivolous exercise: I just decided to find out what was biologically wrong with people who don't agree with me and see what scientists had to say about it and they actually came up with something."

So a few questions.

What does this study actually mean?
How seriously can we take this study?
What does this add to the nature vs. nurture debate?
 
A couple issues jump out:

1) How do they explain people who change their views for whatever reason?
2) Conservatives having a larger emotional region of the brain goes against what we would expect--conservatives are supposed to be evil and heartless, and libs are supposed to care.
3) How are they defining liberal and conservative? Some people are one on economic issues and the other on social issues.
 
It appears that it was purely based on self-description, although translating that into two separate categories would seem to be rather difficult.
 
I've seen similar articles in the past. There was probably even a few threads about it.

What does this study actually mean?
How seriously can we take this study?
What does this add to the nature vs. nurture debate?

That the way your brain is formed can influence the way you perceive the world. That shouldn't, at the theoretical level, be too radical a concept.

Moderately. Interesting, but doesn't really change anything.

Not a lot. Both still matter.
 
Well, the study's not been peer reviewed yet, so it's actually bad form of the researchers to comment on it. The interviews normally come with the publication, not with preliminary data. There's been some shake-ups in the statistics of MRIs lately, and I have no idea if these guys are keeping up. As well 'strong correlation' really needs more information for me to draw any conclusion.

Both the amygdala and the cingulate are stunningly important, so it's not like you'd say one is 'better' than the other
 
Very little can be read into this study.

Is the different brain structure a cause or an effect? Does your brain structure determine your political attitudes, or does your brain grow to become that way as a result of the things you learn over the course of your life? The article quoted in the OP seems to presuppose that it's the former. When, really, the people doing the study should have left that conclusion out.

Further research warranted.

Edit: I'll go ahead and say right up front that some of my conservative political views are the results of emotional reactions. For example, emotional reactions to women getting executed in Afghanistan for adultery. No, I do not have a problem with where my views come from. Women should not be executed for adultery, I hate people who perform such executions, and I wish slow and painful death upon anybody who does (or who believes they should).
 
2) Conservatives having a larger emotional region of the brain goes against what we would expect--conservatives are supposed to be evil and heartless, and libs are supposed to care.

"GAYS SHOULD NOT MARRY IN CASE ALL OUR CHILDREN TURN TO BESTIALITY AND THE U.S. MORAL FABRIC COLLAPSES! ROAR!" doesnt sound very non-emotional to me.

EDIT: Im just being silly. Please dont take offense to this post.
 
Only 90 students? Seems like a pretty small sample to me.
 
Edit: I'll go ahead and say right up front that some of my conservative political views are the results of emotional reactions. For example, emotional reactions to women getting executed in Afghanistan for adultery. No, I do not have a problem with where my views come from. Women should not be executed for adultery, I hate people who perform such executions, and I wish slow and painful death upon anybody who does (or who believes they should).

So do liberals...?
 
Past studies have linked social liberalism with higher intelligence, high values of the Openness trait in the Big 5 Personality test, and Intuitive preferences in MBTI.

I also remember reading a study that linked introverted intuition (the dominant Jungian cognitive process of INTJs and INFJs, which is more developed in Ns than Ss in general) to the anterior cingulate gyrus.

(INTJs tend to be utilitarian libertarian sorts, while INFJs are the most Progressive type despite the one I know best being an anarcho-capitalist.)


Note that openness/intuitive preferences are only important in the authoritarian/libertarian axis, not in the left/right economic axis. In MBTI economic left/right positions tend to correlate instead with feeling/thinking preferences, but this correlation is not quite as strong.


I would be rather surprised if Libertarians did not have brains more like liberals than conservatives, and not at all surprised if the difference between conservative and libertarian brains was even larger than between conservative and liberal.
 
And let me guess, those studies were carried out by... liberals?
Should I point out that the definition of intelligence is neither clear not constant, and that tests to evaluate intelligence cannot avoid bias? Oh, well, I just did.

Come on... people can't even agree on what a liberal or a conservative is. How can any such study be taken seriously?
 
Well, the study's not been peer reviewed yet

Huh, probably why I couldn't find the study on my university's library records. Someone please revive this thread in a week or so.
 
What was that weird non sequitur about the Lib Dems at the end in aid of? Has it simply become customary to finish every interview with "And how much do you hate Nick Clegg"? :huh:
 
How would it explain people who were previously liberal and then changed their political leaning? Or vice versa?

Brain damage? :mischief:

Nah, just kididn'. But brain damage can affect personalities. I read this in a textbook. And Im probably different than I was in January but Im not exactly sure how.
 
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He said the coalition made him "extremely uneasy" but would not rule out voting Lib Dem in future.

"I would have to see what identity they took on because I don't recognise them at the moment. I think all three parties are in a state of re-evaluation."

Talking about the experiment, he said: "I took this on as a fairly frivolous exercise: I just decided to find out what was biologically wrong with people who don't agree with me and see what scientists had to say about it and they actually came up with something."
 
Talking about the experiment, he said: "I took this on as a fairly frivolous exercise: I just decided to find out what was biologically wrong with people who don't agree with me and see what scientists had to say about it and they actually came up with something."

This part maked me laugh.
 
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