Monarch Student^ XXXVI Gilgamesh

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Welcome everybody to the 36th edition of Monarch Student Prime! Our fearless leader this week?

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Usually quite the monster when played by the AI, Gilgamesh is a pretty well-rounded fellow. Creative allows him to expand more easily and onto better long-term sites, as well as gives him cheaper libraries for a better early tech rate. Also, Protective, while not the shiniest of traits, can help you out in a jam, and makes the drill line much more viable on gunpowder units. Pretty solid leader, not much to say about that.

His UU is the Vulture:

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An axe with only a 25% bonus against melee, but has 6 strength. When axe rushing, this thing is great. The extra strength really packs a punch against archers and can still demolish spears and axes. Even when not rushing, the vulture is even better than the axe against barbs and can help in city captures. Pretty solid UU.

His UB is the Ziggurat:

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A cheaper courthouse that is available with priesthood. Really nice, as it helps fuel early expansion with the discount and the early availability. Meshes well with creative, and can help with an economic collapse since you only need a few techs, and no real expensive ones, for it. Pretty solid as well.

The Start:

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Dual corn on a plains hill when you start with agriculture! Why not? A lot of forests as well to fuel early expansion and I count 4 hills for early production. Pretty nice capital.

Fractal map this week.

Huts and Events are OFF, add events in the custom scenario if you wish. (just make sure to cover the top part with your hand so you don't see the AIs )

And a cut-and-paste from Meatbuster's Monarch Student games:

Save the file and place it in your Documents/BTS/Saves/WorldBuilder folder. Then unzip it into your Documents/BTS/Saves/WorldBuilder folder. Then use Playing a scenario to play your desired level. Or use custom scenario if you want to remove huts and/or events.

Recommended Checkpoints:
*1000BC or 1AD
*500AD
*1000AD or Liberalism
*Victory!

Please remember to put the journals of your adventures inside spoiler tags.

For Monarch+ players please try to add archery back to the barbs in WB. If you don't, AIs will capture cities with archers very early in the game, which is no fun. If you prefer easymode barbs, that's fine too, just don't go wondering why an AI captured a barb city in the very early BCs!
 

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Good one. I may do a LP of this game using more of an EP focus or pure EE.
 
Oo I like this start! Hopefully we will have a closer neighbor that we can crush with all of those forests.
 
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Settled in place and explored a bit to the north west, but headed south once Mao and Hammy showed up. went Mining>BW but wasn't holding out much hope of a vulture rush when one neighbor is protective and the other has Bowmen.

Changed my mind when I met Hannibal though and built a semi-large (~10) vulture army and sent it his way. Got some lucky rolls and managed to capture all his cities except for his westernmost, which is pretty junky. I decided accepting construction+HBR for peace, plus the elephants I captured in his territory was better than wiping him out. I can always just finish him off later.

I also managed to wall off Mao fairly well, I have some settlers sitting around up north waiting for my economy to recover before settling.
pic: me beating Mao to the gems by 1 turn :D
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State of the world 1 AD (big)
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I've started queuing for an elepult war in Uruk, I think I'll target Hammy since he also has jumbos and more cities than Mao. Plus, Bowmen should be weaker to elephants than protective archers right? Not that it matters much with enough catapults I guess.
 
One of my favorite leaders, and the only PRO leader that I really like. With all due respect to vultures, I prefer chariot rushes with Gilg - they always seem to get started earlier than with any other leader: starts with AG for food, AH gets access to horses, wheel lets you build chariots, mining + BW chops out an army. UB invites (demands? :lol: ) an oracle shot. Plus wheel and AG are the 2 most expensive starting techs, so you've already got a nice boost. Double wet corn + 2 hills + PH start is great. It'll be a big letdown if we're isolated or semi-isolated, which sometimes happens with fractal.
 
Hey Zoob, never realised you only just signed up. I haven't opened your spoiler, as I plan on playing this map.

(This is Kuuenbu (not the real Kuuenbu (everyone google Kuuenbu because he's hilarious))).
 
Hey Zoob, never realised you only just signed up. I haven't opened your spoiler, as I plan on playing this map.

(This is Kuuenbu (not the real Kuuenbu (everyone google Kuuenbu because he's hilarious))).

Cool, can't wait to see what you do with it.
 
I think I'm going to try this on emperor, which would be my first go at that difficulty. any advice for the jump from monarch?
 
I think I'm going to try this on emperor, which would be my first go at that difficulty. any advice for the jump from monarch?

prayandr - based on my glance at some of your reports, I think you are definitely ready for the next level. I would not change much for emperor. Just make sure you stay on a focused tech path to set up trades and keep the workers managed properly. You should be fine. Monarch>Emp is not a huge jump as say IMM or the big Deity jump. AIs just a get a few more bonuses, so you need to stay alert.
 
prayandr - based on my glance at some of your reports, I think you are definitely ready for the next level. I would not change much for emperor. Just make sure you stay on a focused tech path to set up trades and keep the workers managed properly. You should be fine. Monarch>Emp is not a huge jump as say IMM or the big Deity jump. AIs just a get a few more bonuses, so you need to stay alert.

Thanks for the vote of confidence :goodjob: btw, I used your YT worldbuilder archery -> barbs walkthrough, it was a big help. I have a little modifier to it that, if you are not playing in full screen mode, you can just move the game window down so that the minimap is not visible. I wasn't sure how you could cover the minimap, cover the civ drop-down menu, and select barbarians with only two hands haha
 
One of my favorite leaders, and the only PRO leader that I really like. With all due respect to vultures, I prefer chariot rushes with Gilg - they always seem to get started earlier than with any other leader: starts with AG for food, AH gets access to horses, wheel lets you build chariots, mining + BW chops out an army. UB invites (demands? :lol: ) an oracle shot. Plus wheel and AG are the 2 most expensive starting techs, so you've already got a nice boost. Double wet corn + 2 hills + PH start is great. It'll be a big letdown if we're isolated or semi-isolated, which sometimes happens with fractal.

Only one of the corns are wet, and there are at least 4 hills in the BFC (excluding the city tile). The tile 1S1SE of the settler looks unforested, hopefully there's a gems or horse there. The area to the north looks a bit too dry, hopefully there's better land to the south. The oracle sounds like a good idea, I'd estimate that you'd get Priesthood at around 3 cities or so. Assuming no pasture resources around, I'd probably go Mining-BW-Pottery-Myst-Med-Priesthood.
 
Thanks for the vote of confidence :goodjob: btw, I used your YT worldbuilder archery -> barbs walkthrough, it was a big help. I have a little modifier to it that, if you are not playing in full screen mode, you can just move the game window down so that the minimap is not visible. I wasn't sure how you could cover the minimap, cover the civ drop-down menu, and select barbarians with only two hands haha

ha...that's a good idea about moving the screen down. However, I usually play most games in Full Screen mode. Anyway, it's pretty easy to just avert your eyes from the mini-map and just focus on your hand.
 
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Stone to the cities NW does make oracling idea even better... kinda food poor though (1 cow).
 
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stone to the cities nw does make oracling idea even better... Kinda food poor though (1 cow).

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1st try at an Emperor game to 1720 BC
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SIP. Any move by the settler wouldve been completely blind. It was the right move in the end, imo.

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Decent production city with lots and lots of hills :). Already have agriculture and there's nothing to do but mine, and every hill is covered in forest so it's a no brainer to go bronze working here.

this will be a very nice city post iron working if there's some food i can find nearby.

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worst case scenario i can settle directly between the rice and grab 2 of the gem tiles. I'm greedy tho so I wanna find a way to get all 3

I meet AI's really quickly. This must be a pangaea map

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After researching bronze working, I'm a little concerned over the lack of copper

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and I have a dilemma already. Go for archery, which would definitely take care of the barbs given I'm PRO, or take a shot at animal husbandry and pop some horse. I see a lot of cows around so it's definitely a worthwhile tech to have. I hate teching archery so I go bronze working. Maybe my first emperor level game will be a fast one :)



My second city:

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fairly decent city. The gold is very nice. somewhat food poor but there are a couple riverside grassland tiles to farm and a plains cow so i can at least work the gold and the quarry.

The only nearby horse...very food poor :(

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I wish I wouldve timed the 2nd city better so that I wouldve known where there were horses prior to sending out the settler, but considering the stone, maybe I have a backup plan for my first emperor encounter w/the barbs...

Haven't seen this so early on monarch & below

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another AI

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So about those barbs...

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Ha! barb archers and spears, pshhh bring it on!

Hey mr. warrior...let me see...I'll use hotkey 'b' cuz i'm given u the boot

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This site...well this site sucks haha. It's really just for the horse. but, hey, i count 6 riverside tiles to farm pre-CS so I'll be able to grow it a little bit and work a hill or 2 in the short term.

On pangaea maps I know the great wall isn't as valuable, but there's a lot of land to the NE where barbs can spring and with the stone/chopping 2 of my many forests it took like 2 turns to build so :goodjob:

I'm building the mids too :blush:. I don't see any great cottage sites, other than the flood plains site to the NE, which I dont know if I'll get, so running specialists (from my cheap libraries :)) with representation should be a good way to go

Mao is expanding up the coast there and that flood plains site looks nice, but so far away :mad:. I'll have to figure out a way to block him off.

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good start for my first game at this level i think. Not sure if I'll rush or not. there's a lot of land, though much of it food poor. We'll see...

 
muhahaha! now that is start to my gusto!
and with leader I like...

I think going sip with mining->bw can't really get wrong here.

Going Oracle after is very tempting... depends on copper around and commerce... maybe get pottery after bw to get some commerce from the riverside and then straight myst->med->ph, even if I miss on Oracle, Zigs should make it worthwhile...

definitely signing in (and eventually playing, have some other duties first though)

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what people think about spy game with gilga? with early zig, we could get early GSpy...
or if there is stone nearby... with those trees around GW could be doable even on Imm (I plan to play)
 
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Stone to the cities NW does make oracling idea even better... kinda food poor though (1 cow).

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In case this was ur reasoning, oracle gets double speed w/marble, not stone. GW, stonehenge, & pyramids on the other hand do get double production speed w/stone. Stonehenge isn't worth it though w/a creative leader. The other 2 on the other hand could very well prove useful
 
Ah, Monarch Student Prime, where you are always guaranteed at least one irrigated corn and a ton of riverside. Although this one is not as green as usual BigTime, what happened man? :lol:

what people think about spy game with gilga? with early zig, we could get early GSpy...

I was thinking of trying exactly that. :goodjob: It's something I have always meant to have a go at with Sumeria but never got around to it. If I play this map I'll probably go Espionage since I'm in the mood for something different. Fingers crossed for stone...
 
Ah, Monarch Student Prime, where you are always guaranteed at least one irrigated corn and a ton of riverside. Although this one is not as green as usual BigTime, what happened man? :lol:

Oh you're just asking for a cow glitch start next time...

In all reality though, an irrigated corn start is probably the most common start. Corn is the most common food resource in the BFC by my play. And the riverside... Well... :lol:
 
^ I take it back! Just don't cow glitch us, anything but that! :lol:

I might find time to play this tomorrow, as my Deity experiments have been unkind to me. Some Immortal will ease the pain.
 
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