Sons of Mars II

Tani Coyote

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You know the general etiquette rules. Be polite, even if you're simulating Cold War-like tensions. That is all.

As for your nation, let your creative juices flow. It can be inhabited by radioactive space monkeys if you desire, but please do not let this creativity turn into powergaming. Thank you.

Starting Out:

Choose 10 territories.

Choose 2 National Strengths. Gone are Civics, Governments, and Sliders, and something a Civ forum should have. The Strengths:

1. Militaristic - You get 20% added to all combat rolls(or 1,2,3,4,5 depending on tech level whichever is more.) You do not incur revolt risk for a war of aggression but other states still get a CB on you.

2. Expanionist - You get one extra claim per turn, so your expansion is sped up 20%. You can negotiate with any state you can reach in 3 turns, rather than 2, and you can claim any province you can reach in 2 turns, rather than 1!

3. Commercial - You get +25% income per turn.

4. Religious - Enables the Religious Casus Belli, Immune to Destabilise

5. Diplomatic - You get double as much income from trade as you otherwise would(so if you're in Era 5, 100% of the partner's income). However, offensive wars incur +10% RR since your people expect you to use words, not war, to achieve your goals.

6. Agricultural - Armies and navies are 20% cheaper due to your enlarged manpower.

7. Centralised - Civics gives 5, rather than 4, provinces to your support.

8. Scientific - Each tech's cost is reduced by 20%; this is cumulative with your focus(so 30% off your focus tech). Rounded up.

Choose your national focus, which gives you 10% off that field of tech. There are three fields - Civics(which increases province support and how many diplomatic deals you can have), Army(which makes you do better in combat, increases troop support and unlocks more advanced units), and Economy(which adds to your income). You will receive Tech 1 of your Focus for free, so choose wisely.

You start with 10 free units. Decide how you want them divided between armies and navies.

After that, add some flavor. Detail your nation's history, currency, culture, politics, economy, etc. to your leisure.

Your starting 10 territories are subject to GM change if I feel they are too gamey, ugly, or just insane.

Income

Income is the sum of your provinces( * 2) + your Infra tech number + your Infra bonuses + any bonuses from Strengths + Trade Income. You spend it or bank it at your leisure.

Technology

Every technology costs 5 * its number. Army 5 costs 25, for example.

There are three kinds of tech - Infra, Army, and Civics.

Civics changes how many provinces you can support without incurring revolt risk; Army adds a number to your rolls, changes what you can build, and how many units you can support; Infrastructure improves your economy.

There are 25 levels in each tree.

The number of techs you have is your tech level, which primarily determines your trade income: Army 3, Infra 2, Civics 5, for instance, gives you Tech Level 10.

It will cost 75 to get to tech 5 of each category, 275 to Tech 10, 600 to Tech 15, 1050 to Tech 20, and 1625 to Tech 25. Now, it may sound daunting, but going by Imperia Mobiana, it is possible to max out in tech in 20 turns. Especially if you value trade.

Technology Breakdown

Army adds +1 to your troop support(which is by default your number of provinces), and influences comba per level. Army 15 enables airforces.

Civics merely adds +4 (or 5 if you're Centralised) to your support per level.

Infra tech adds +1 to your income per level, with every 5 levels adding +10% on top of it. So, an Infra 25 state gets +25 income, but then +50% income on top of that.

Expansion:

By default, you expand to 5 provinces per turn, or 6 if you're Expansionist. Overlapping claims can be resolved through talks or war. Failing either of those, it goes to the first to claim it.

You cannot claim and launch a war at the same turn. You are free to claim and be attacked on the same turn, however; it's part of the "Defender's Advantage."

Every province you claim gets a free army in it.

There is no distance penalty in the traditional sense; you must be able to reach a coastal province via ship or a landlocked province via army in a single turn to be able to claim it. You require a fleet to claim overseas.

Military:

While you get a free army for every province you occupy, you can recruit them manually. Ships, troops, and airforces all cost 5 gold per unit.

Movement is simple. By default, every land and sea unit moves one province per turn. Every 5 army techs adds one to this - with Army 25, your armies can move 6 provinces, and your navies 6 sea provinces. Air forces always move double what your armies/navies could go. Therefore, an effective strategy is putting planes on your fleets and launching them that way, as the navy can move and the planes can move separately.

Small bodies of water are counted as ordinary provinces for air forces; large bodies such as oceans require transportation by a fleet.

Fleets can load any number of troops/airplanes on them; these are seen as numbers to the right of the fleet. The drawback is if the entire fleet is destroyed, everything on them is destroyed as well.

Armies are standard units; they just sit wherever you tell them too, and can attack one province per turn. They automatically overrun any province without units in it, but it still costs one army its move. Armies can be paradropped or deployed into an enemy country via air and sea, respectively, the latter incurring a 20% penalty and the former a 30% penalty.

Navies exist to project power and harass foes. They also exist to prevent the same from being done to you. Navies set up in a port of your choice, and can move wherever you desire. If a navy is on your coastline, it will do its best to intercept invading navies; success means no army can land, defeat means an amphibious assault.

Air forces guard the skies, and can bomb enemy provinces or keep them from doing the same.

Combat

Naturally, states go to war, and naturally, their brave men and women will kill eachother as a result. Here is how combat works:

-Armies engage eachother in a battle of RNG, with each side rolling from 1-25. Winning army destroys the loser. If a tie, the attacker loses his army. Armies cannot move anymore if they use up their attack, but they can still defend themselves.

-Navies are the same way. They attack if they have conflicting objectives... primarily, this takes place in the form of one fleet invading and the other being present to fend off invasions. If a defending navy is completely destroyed, units will deploy onto the shores.

-Airforces engage eachother one on one in the same fashion. However, all air units are assumed to be in the air at the same time... translation? If you send 3 planes against 10, there's a high likelihood all your planes will be shot down - they must defeat ALL of the opposing fighters to land.

Now, some of these can interact with eachother. Armies capture any planes on the ground in provinces they capture. However, navies and planes are different:

-Navies can bombard the shoreline, with a 10% chance of destroying an enemy army stationed there.

-Navies can attack air forces that fly overhead, with a 20% chance of downing each one.

-Air forces can screen ground troops assuming no defenses, with a 20% chance of destroying an army.

-Air forces can attack naval vessels, with a 20% chance of destroying a ship. However, the ship likewise has a 20% chance of shooting down the plane. If you try to pass a ship entirely, it will still shoot at you. Destroy naval vessels first!

In any ordinary combat situation, whichever side has a higher army rating gets a bonus equal to the difference. Army 10 state attacks Army 12 state; the latter gets a +2 to every roll.

If the last province of a country falls, that country is annexed. If it was one vs. one, the annexing state gets half of the victim's tech value added to theirs. If it was multiple states vs. one, tech is split proportional to how much was controlled by each person. The treasury goes to whoever has the capital at the time of annexation.

Diplomacy

You can negotiate with any state your navies/armies/air forces can reach in two turns. So for the early going, no Diplomacy, but within a few turns, it becomes possible.

-Trade is the simplest diplomatic option. Just sign it and you're a go. You can have one agreement by default, with 1 more for every Econ tech you have. So, at the end of the game, you can have 26 agreements. They are a means of influence, allowing you to build up weaker states, as much as a means of increasing income. Your tech level determines how much you get of eachother's income - 10% for Tech lv. 1-15, 20% for 16-30, etc. This doubles if you are a Diplomatic power.

-Foreign aid can be given away at any time.

-Guarantees are given to small states generally, and you can have an unlimited number. If someone attacks that state, you have the right to intervene.

-Defensive Pacts are exclusively defensive deterrents, you can have unlimited numbers of them. If someone attacks your partner, you have the right to intervene on their behalf.

-Alliances are offensive and defensive, and a huge commitment in diplomacy. You can only have 2.

-You cannot sign alliances, guarantees, or pacts with any of the superpowers if you are one. The superpowers are the top 5 states, and are primarily measured by net income, with some bias towards those with larger armies or tech investments. Should there be any changes in superpower status, you will be informed, and any alliances dissolved.

-Royal Marriage. Exclusive to monarchist states, it improves relations. If two states have a royal marriage with a third party and the third party's ruler dies, there will be a succession war. If one or more than two states have a RM with a third party and that latter state's ruler dies, there's a 10% chance of there being a personal union forming.

-Personal Union. A wonderful diplomatic condition, as it counts as an automatic alliance and lets you decide what that nation will do with its money... sans giving it to you, anyway! A personal union has a 20% chance of dissolving upon the death of a shared monarch. As each state's monarch death is counted separately, the more PUs you have, the higher a chance of your monarch dying is. Your state can become a junior partner in a PU as well; you can break the PU but no one will want to sign a royal marriage with you anymore. You have been warned.

-Inheritance. If a PU lasts, there's a 10% chance of inheritance. If inheritance occurs, the senior state in a PU inherits all the junior state's assets(half its technology in each category + vault + military + provinces) and becomes much stronger as a result.

-Vassalage. Vassalage is an agreement where a state pays half its income to you, and in turn you are expected to protect them. Vassals can be absorbed as needed. To turn a state into a vassal, you must defeat it in a war. States you have been really friendly towards and are very weak have a 10% chance of agreeing to be your vassal.

-Annexation. Your vassal has a 10% chance of agreeing to this. A vassal will basically be inherited and all its assets become yours.

-Military Access. A useful treaty, it lets you pass through another state's territory without precipitating war.

-Non-Aggression Pact. Signing one of these will last 5 turns. A peace treaty counts as one! Violating it during the timeframe gives you +10% RR.

-Embargo. Your enemy cannot trade with you, nor can he use your land to reach someone else to trade. Gives them a CB on you.

-Blockade. Navies can blockade ports. Up to 50% of an opponent's income can be cut this way. Any trade routes cut off by this cease to function. You need one fleet for every coastal province. The exact amount cut depends on how many ports are blocked. If they have 10 ports, and you've blocked 2, you take away 10% of their income, since that's 2/10 of 50%.

Note: Later in the game the more prominent powers will start dividing the world up, intentionally or non. States will begin to divide into spheres, and will refuse agreements with those in other spheres. For example, there can be a Left-Libertarian, a Communist, and a Capitalist superpower, each with its own SoI.

Casus Belli

You can't declare war just because, or your RR will spike 10%! You have multiple causes:

-Religion. Only religious states have this. You lose it once you reach Tech level 40. Any state with Tech Level 40 gets a casus belli on you if you use this; to an enlightened state, it is not a valid CB!

-Belligerence. If a state attacks with no casus belli, you get a CB on them.

-Border Dispute. This sometimes pops up as an event, but can be triggered by overlapping claims or espionage. The victim of a border dispute gets a casus belli. If you both claim the same province, the one who claimed it first gets a casus belli on the second.

-Treaty Commitments. You are expected to protect your defensive pact or guarantee partners. Failure to do so will cause people to seriously distrust you.

-Alliance. You can join an offensive war your alliance partner started. If it was a war of aggression for them, however, you get the same penalties.

-Blockade/Embargo. Anybody blockading you or embargoing you gives you a CB on them.

-Failed spy action. You get a CB on anyone who is discovered on your territory doing black ops. Keep a good deterrent!

Governments

This isn't complex. You choose to be either a monarchy or republic.

Monarchies can sign royal marriages and thus gain a shot at inheritance(or being inherited) while Republics can range from democracies to dictatorships, but the fact the leader's chosen by something other than pure luck makes your revolt risk drop 5%. Naturally, states in your group have a slightly better opinion of you.

Espionage

All missions have a 25% chance of success with a 10% chance of discovery. You get one mission free, and every mission after that consumes 10% of your treasury. If you have less than 10 gold in your treasury, it's 1 gold per mission, so 9 gold means 10 missions max that turn.

-Steal Money. 20% of the enemy's net income will be stolen. It will be deposited directly into the treasuries of 3 states, making it hard to tell who stole it!

-Incite revolt. Triggers a rebellion in an enemy province. Can only be done once to each enemy.

-Sponsor revolt. You could also call this "Stage coup!" This funds armies, and once it succeeds, you can give any amount of gold to them, in installations of 5. The armies will fight with your tech level, and thus can steamroll the natives. If they win the civil war, they will become close friends of yours.

-Destabilise. Spikes revolt risk by 10% for the next turn.

-Fabricate claims. Gives you a border dispute with the state.

Revolt Risk

Your revolt risk is the percent chance your citizens will rebel. If it triggers, that percent of your provinces will break away.

What makes it go down?

-Being a Republic. That is all. That or raising Civics, since that lets you support more provinces.

What makes it go up?

-Wars of aggression raise it by 20%, but with international coalitions a reality, it's the least of your worries.

-Destabilise, if it succeeds on you, raises RR by 10% for one turn.

-A war that violates a NAP or ceasefire spikes RR by 10% until the war is over.

-Every province you're over your province support limit adds +1% to your RR. If you're at Civ 10, you can support 40 provinces. If you have 45 provinces, that means +5% is your RR, just from provinces.

-If at war, your capital being in enemy hands raises RR by 10. Don't lose your capital.

NPCs

NPCs are small states that primarily serve to take up land and facilitate players doing something besides mindless landgrabbing. NPCs have their own character(determined by RNG) to influence their actions, and start with 10 territories by default. However, they cannot expand except by war. With time, an NPC can become a major power... but until then, it's just a tiny pie for the major powers to fight over for influence and strength.

NPCs can go to war with eachother and you can sponsor either side, and earn their gratitude. You can also stage coups in NPCs with sufficient rebel funding, flipping the country to your side.

On top of that, NPCs also can discipline you. If you launch wars of aggression, other NPCs will debate declaring war. Each NPC bordering an aggressor has a 50% chance of declaring war. If enough NPCs are in favor of war, the war will be declared. Otherwise, they will back out of it. "Enough" counts as enough they have a shot at winning, such as matching you in provinces or combat training.

Besides the little guys, you have the major NPCs, the exact number will be determined after signups. Major NPCs exist as moderating influences on human players, something I can use to to keep the game from getting broken without resorting to huge rewrites. They will each have their own character and be more thought out that their bite-sized brethren.

Misc.

You are to post orders every turn if you want your nation to be run 100% like you want. I must, in turn, post a world map and spreadsheet image each update so you know what the heck is going on!

I do not look over posts a second time. Post your orders all in one post or in separate posts; do not expect me to see "Edit: do x" and count it. Post that at the same time as the rest or in a new post. I do have time of my own, oddly enough.

Failure to post orders will result in me automating your nation with what I believe is best for it.

Generally, I wait 24 hours per update, or until everyone gets a chance to post, whichever comes first.

The GM reserves the right to all final changes to the map.
 
World Map



1. Olafic Republic

Player: General Olaf
Color: Green (RGB = 23, 123, 53)
National Strengths: Expansionist, Scientific
National Focus: Civics
Republic

2. Habsburg Empire

Player: Arakhor
Color: Silver (RGB = 220, 220, 220)
National Strengths: Expansionist, Militaristic
National Focus: Civics
Monarchy

3. Kalmar Union

Player: Omega124
Color: Gold (RGB = 255, 215, 0)
National Strengths: Commercial, Religious
National Focus: Economy
Monarchy

4. Empire of the Rising Sun

Player: ilduce349
Color: Red (RGB = 237, 28, 36)
National Strengths: Commercial, Scientific
National Focus: Economy
Republic

5. Confederation of Island States

Player: NedimNapoleon
Color: Turquoise (RGB = 64, 224, 208)
National Strengths: Agricultural, Militaristic
National Focus: Economy
Monarchy

6. Tawansitsuyo

Player: Red_Spy
Color: Yellow (RGB = 255, 255, 0)
National Strengths: Agricultural, Religious
National Focus: Economy
Monarchy

7. Albania

Player: Sonereal
Color: Purple (RGB = 128, 0, 128)
National Strengths: Militaristic, Agricultural
National Focus: Army

8. South Africa

Player: BSmith1068
Color: Orange (RGB = 255, 194, 14)
National Strengths: Expansionist, Commercial
National Focus: Economy
Monarchy

9. Grand Atheist Malaya

Player: Civ'ed
Color: Green (RGB = 157, 187, 97)
National Strengths: Diplomatic, Religious
National Focus: Economy
Monarchy

10. The Islamic Kingdom of Centarium

Player: Yoshiegg737
Color: Green (RGB = 168, 230, 29)
National Strengths: Diplomatic, Scientific
National Focus: Economy
Monarchy

11. Brazil

Player: NPC
Color: Maroon (RGB = 153, 0, 48)
National Strengths: Commercial, Scientific
National Focus: Economics
Republic

12. Belgian Empire

Player: Mad Man
Color: Grey (RGB = 120, 120, 120)
National Strengths: Agricultural, Commercial
National Focus: Army
Monarchy

13. Principality of Richard

Player: Double A
Color: Maroon (RGB = 111, 0, 36)
Strengths: Militaristic, Expansionist
Focus: Civics
Monarchy

14. Kenya

Player: Maxa
Color: Orange (RGB = 255, 126, 0)
Strengths: Expansionist, Commercial
Focus: Economy
Monarchy

15. Pan-Slavic Union

Player: Prospo
Color: Brown (RGB = 156, 90, 60)
Strengths: Expansionist, Agricultural
Focus: Civics
Monarchy

16. Spain

Player: Mathalamus
Color: Light Purple (RGB = 167, 107, 207)
Strengths: Commerce, Centralised
Focus: Economy
Republic

17. New California Republic

Player: CivGeneral
Color: Deep Purple (RGB = 77, 34, 104)
Strengths: Expansionist, Militaristic
Focus: Army
Republic

18. Echidna Empire

Player: NPC
Color: Red (RGB = 171, 14, 21)
Strengths: Centralised, Commercial
Focus: Civics
Monarchy

19. Salt Empire

Player: Aiolos
Color: Blue (RGB = 47, 54, 143)
Strengths: Expansionist, Diplomatic
Focus: Economy
Republic

20. Songhai

Player: Civplayah
Color: Green (RGB = 34, 177, 76)
Strengths: Expanionist, Commercial
Focus: Economy
Monarchy

21. Songhai

Player: Domination3000
Color: Blackish Gray (RGB = 70, 70, 70)
Strengths: Expanionist, Commercial
Focus: Economy
Monarchy
 
Reserved for Diplomacy/Misc.
 
So we can post and start joining this then?

Nation Name: Empire of the Dictator
Government: Republic
National Strengths: Commercial, Scientific
Free Units: All troops
National Focus: Infrastructure

Culture: Controlled by a series of self-serving dictators whose primary claim to rule is victory in palace intrigue, the Empire of the Dictator is unique for not even claiming to serve the good of the people- according to their propaganda machine, the ability to exercise power implies it's moral legitimacy.

Territories: Just give me a coherent block in South America
 
Nation Name: Olafic Republic
Government: Republic
National Strengths: Expansionist, Scientific
Free Units: Troops EDIT: Misunderstood, sorry; 7 Troops, 3 Navies
National Focus:
Civics

Culture: Government is run by those with the most intellectual and social merit. Freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom of leadership etc. are all strongly supported by the populace. Agriculture and fisheries dominate the workforce.

Territiories:



Go easy; I'm a first-timer. :D
 

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When are you going to do away with all these wierd rules and just let us play as we see fit?
 
Austria - Dominion of the Habsburgs
Ruler: Karl Gustav von Habsburg, Archduke of Austria
Government: Absolute Monarchy
National Strengths: Expansionist, Diplomatic
Free Units: 2 navy, 8 army
National Focus: Civics

Give me ten provinces in Central Europe, including Wien, Berlin, Prague and Budapest. I assume that being Diplomatic will assist with royal marriages, personal unions and so on. Otherwise, make me Militaristic.
 
Meh, I'm still mad at the ending of Mobia, but I'll join anyways.

Nation Name: Kalmar Union
Government: Union of Three Absulote Monarchies
National Strengths: Commercial, Religious
Free Units: half and half
National Focus: Economy
Culture: The cultures of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, while similar, are also much different. They also hate their other guts; it is considered a rare time when Denmark and Sweden are at peace with each other. But, due to insane dimplomacy, and a couple of fights, the King of Denmark was able to crown himself as the King of Norway and Sweden, creating the Kalmar Union. The Norwegian and Swedish aren't exactly fond with this, with the nothern halvles of the two nations in open revolt. But with Stockholm and Oslo under Danish control, there is no "legitimite" opposition of the union. Aesir (Norse Paganism) is the religion of the land, and the militaristic nature of the relgion (only warriors go to Valhalla), it is no doubt the nations were at war. But now unified, will they seek new foes and lands to pillage?

Territories: Attachment. I assumed Denmark was one territory, but if Copenhagen is considered a seperate territory from the mainland, please tell me.
 

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what year is this set in?

Spoiler :


Name: Empire of the Sun
Government: Daimyo Oligarchy (republic)
National Strengths: Commercial, Scientific
Free Units: half and half
National Focus: Infrastructure
More later...
 
Confederation of Island States


Government: Trading Republic
National Strengths: Expansionist, Commercial
Free Units: 2 Troops 8 Navies
National Focus: Economy
Religion: Money
Leader: The Council of Trading Families
Major Nobility: Meddici Family, San Slamino Family and the Grakos Family
Language: Latin
Spoiler :
 
Name: Tawansitsuyo
Government: Absolute Monarchy
National Strengths: Agricultural, Religous
Free Units: 8 troops, 2 navies
National Focus: Economy
 

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I suppose I should clarify; every island counts as a territory unto itself.

When are you going to do away with all these wierd rules and just let us play as we see fit?

:rolleyes:

This is my game, not yours. If you don't like it, please go somewhere else.

Please don't spam up the thread if you do not have something relevant to post.

So we can post and start joining this then?

Of course!

Meh, I'm still mad at the ending of Mobia, but I'll join anyways.

I knew you would. :p

You would be correct; every island is its own territory.

what year is this set in?

No set time, though it's implied it's from the Dawn of Man.
 
Kingdom of Albania
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Ruler: Sovereign Salazar


Militaristic, Agricultural
Army Focused
6 Armies, 4 Fleets

History: He appeared for seemingly nowhere one day, speaking many languages including the language spoken by the Albanians fluently if not without an accent. Quickly, he killed the local leaders, united the tribes of Albania, and went on a conquest spree that took the Kingdom of Albania from the banks of the Tiber to the lands of the Near East. Along the way, he taught them farming and soon, the army and the state were two inseparable entities. The Armed Forces and Society also become inseparable. Insult to honor became duels to the death while every minor soldier had the ideas of loyalty to the Sovereign and State drilled into them to the point of fanaticism.

Note: No Nedim, did not make this nation to screw with you or something. I was Afghanistan in the last IOT so the Albania was next on the list and RNG God made it look like I'm on the warpath against you. :lol:
 

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Nation: South Africa
National Strengths: Diplomatic; Commercial
Government: Monarchy
Free Units: 10 Armies
National Focus: Economy

Claims:
 
@ Nedim and Sonereal:

You two are going to be huge colonial rivals. Calling it now.

@ Everyone else:

Florida is off-limits, being reserved for one Domination3000.
 
BSmith, what weird boundaries!

I felt the same in the previous game when Ilduce jumped in as Austria when I was Germany. Hopefully, by covering four bases at once, I should be all right this time. :)
 
Grand Atheist Malaya
Government: Kingdom with some democracy. Don't ask why. The king will have you thrown to the tigers.
National Strengths:
Diplomatic, Religious (as in smite the believers :p)
Free units:
5 armies, 5 navies
Religion: Very, very, very, very primitive Atheism
Ruler: Raja Ahmed I
Full ruler title: Raja Malaka, Malik dari Brunei dan Penguasa Tinggi Aceh (King of Malacca, Malik of Brunei and High ruler of Atjeh)

History:
Some things work. Some don't. Anyway, this kingdom was... in between. Ahmed's dad had been the conqueror, and had died one hour ago. His last wish, as a devout Sunni who would feel betrayed:
"Don't... trust them. The Imam. The Mosque. The Religion. Don't. Fight for Religious freedom"
Sadly, Ahmed heard that as "kill all the people who have nice ornaments with religious importance around the house"
Anyway, everyone accepted him for his views on religion.
The noble council was his first Idea. The Pangeran (prince) of Malacca, a Sunni, the Sheik of Brunei (Pagan) and the Dewan (Council) of Atjeh (Hindus) met to discuss which religious group to "pacify" next.
 

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