Idea for Rhyes and Fall of India

Baron03 · Jun 7, 2011

I know there are other RFC mods being worked on but here is just another idea:
I have no modding skills, so whoever wants to help start this mod this good luck.

Map: The Full map! Its saves as a bts save file
View attachment AutoSave_Initial_AD-1700.CivBeyondSwordSave

I kept the old maps below because thats where I have the other landmarks for cities and resources
City Naming Map (Classical, cities before Islamic invasion of Sindh)
View attachment Pre-Islamic City Map.CivBeyondSwordSave
City Naming Map (Medieval, cities after Islamic invasion of Sindh)
View attachment City Naming Map.CivBeyondSwordSave

Timeline idea: 300BC to 1700AD

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Include SOI terrain graphics, Faith points, and titles (like hindu saint)
and province feature

Civ List (33 civs)

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Religions

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Religious Buildings (Most from RFCA)

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Titles

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Resources needed

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Invasions needed

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Independent City Spawns:

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Basic Civ Info

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Extra great People names

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Techs to add (Most from RFCE and RFCA, because there aren't very many good tech names left)

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Civics List:

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Dynamic Naming

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Unit Categories

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Units: (other then UU's)

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Buildings:

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Wonder list

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Feel free to criticize and give more ideas. Any help (especially XML, Python and dll) is greatly appreciated!

srpt · Jun 8, 2011

I think rhye's and fall of india is a great idea. I recently started work on an old world classical age mod which will take most of my time for a while but I'm sure we will be tackling many of the same issues so I will help when I can. so far I can contribute a jainism symbol. I made it by altering the ethanol corp logo. I can help you put them in your mod when the time comes.

Baron03 · Jun 9, 2011

I made most of a map from scratch but it won't load for some reason

Baron03 · Jun 10, 2011

I will probably have to take out the Ghorids, Kushans, and Ghaznavids due to the map being a little short on top

Baron03 · Jun 10, 2011

In all of 24 hours I figured out how to utilize the basics of XML but I still have no idea how to link it up all together and python is out of the question

Baron03 · Jun 13, 2011

Currently working on: what music to have for civs and menu; City naming map (eastern map for now). Here is the idea for Indo Scythians 200bc-400ad; leader is Maues, spawn Scythian horse archers (their UU) around the Indus river (mostly around Pattala). The whole XML thing isn't doing well for me. I need someone who knows what they are doing (if they want to or have free time and are bored) to please get the map into the very basic format of an RFC mod. The only things you would need to add is: 1. To get the map from a two player scenario to a map starting at 300 BC and ending in 1700AD. 2. Replace regular civs with others just in name (I don't mind Guptas with Marines with Washingon as their leaderhead) Along with 4 independents. 3.Add resources that I posted as needed. 4. Make a quick python where each Civ/independent spawns on landmarked capital( I don't care if it's just one settler). Of someone could do this quickly for me then I could figure out a lot more information (such as how many units for a Civ to spawn with. 5. Change terrain to the one like SOI's

I do feel a bit handicapped not being able to mod my own idea in the simplest way, but I want to find as much information as possible to lay out here so someone who can mod could easily code this into the game. Sorry for not being able to do much, I can't apply my thoughts to the game.

Black Whole · Jun 19, 2011

Really cool! I just gave it a quick look and here are some hints and advices:

1) I would rename Catholicism to Christianity, as there were also Nestorians in India, so you could generalize it a little bit more.

2) Unless you create a very big map, I would recommen to take out some civs. You currently have 31 civs, even RFC only had 27 and the late game became awfully slow. By the way, it would make it easier to find unique goals for them.

3) The holy city of Islam could be Mansura (I took it as a holy city for Islam in RFCA) and therefore the holy wonder should be Jamia Masijd. The Masijd al-Haram isn't inside your map...

If you have any questions on how to start, or so, jus ask me, because I know what a pain it is, to get such a modmod started

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Baron03 · Jun 19, 2011

1. Good point on Christianity

2. I made a map from scratch that's works well, but it didn't go north as far as I wanted so I will have to drop the ghaznavids and bahmani sultanate. (maybe more) I have some of the UHV's UU's UB's and UU's under the basic Civ info, but I need to add a ton of info about the civs that on paper right now. But thinking of all the info is the fun part.

3. Another good point, although I have no idea how to change it

4. I have three 2 player wb scenarios saved on here; the first one is the map with the places where cities should be along with resources (I need to upload the new maps asap) the other two are city name maps for different eras

5. I do need help with the basics on making this! XML, python, and dll are completely foreign to me. The last post I showed the few basics I need to be done but I have no clue how (like how to get the map out of a two player scenario) thank you for your interest in this mod!

AbsintheRed · Jun 20, 2011

If you follow the dinamics in SoI, than 31 civs is no prob at all
In my opinion you shouldn't drop the ghaznavids and the bahmani (or any other northern civs), rather expand the map...

Baron03 · Jun 20, 2011

I half and half for the bahmani; and the map I had to make sort of cut short north more then I wanted, either way I don't know how (if there is any way) to change the height of the map while keeping the rest of the map the same

hangman · Jun 22, 2011

Baron03 said:
I half and half for the bahmani; and the map I had to make sort of cut short north more then I wanted, either way I don't know how (if there is any way) to change the height of the map while keeping the rest of the map the same

My suggestion would be to use Rhye's bitmap to map tool. It saved me a massive headache with dimensions.

Black Whole · Jun 23, 2011

Okay, I used MapView for the creation of my map, it is an easy-to-use tool when you want to change your map (forests, rivers, resources, etc.).
You can find it here. But as you already have a map, you need to save them in WBSave format, otherwise you can't do much with it. You go to the world builder and in the upper right-hand menu, there should be the option export to worldbuilder/as worldbuilder save or something like that. This allows much easier manipulation of the map and setting.

The truth is, that there isn't an easy way, that I know, to get a modmod for RFC started. The next steps are: Sourcecode/DLL/compiling. You will need a tutorial for that. I learned it with thisone here.
Then you will need to go through all of the python code by Rhye (I would recommend to copy the whole mod and start to edit the copies until they become part of your modmod

). XML can be done when you want before or after, it doesn't matter. In the end you will need to edit the WBS file properly.
That means (or meant for RFCA in that case), one or two months of work before you can even try out to play

. I have gone through ths all, so I can help if you have any questions.

So, first step: Convert your save file to a WBS file.
Second step: Learn how to install the SDK and how to compile a DLL.

Baron03 · Jun 23, 2011

hangman said:
My suggestion would be to use Rhye's bitmap to map tool. It saved me a massive headache with dimensions.

I tried using that,but as I read it it requires other files to run and I don't kow where to find them

Baron03 · Jun 23, 2011

Black Whole said:
Okay, I used MapView for the creation of my map, it is an easy-to-use tool when you want to change your map (forests, rivers, resources, etc.).
You can find it here. But as you already have a map, you need to save them in WBSave format, otherwise you can't do much with it. You go to the world builder and in the upper right-hand menu, there should be the option export to worldbuilder/as worldbuilder save or something like that. This allows much easier manipulation of the map and setting.

The truth is, that there isn't an easy way, that I know, to get a modmod for RFC started. The next steps are: Sourcecode/DLL/compiling. You will need a tutorial for that. I learned it with thisone here.
Then you will need to go through all of the python code by Rhye (I would recommend to copy the whole mod and start to edit the copies until they become part of your modmod ). XML can be done when you want before or after, it doesn't matter. In the end you will need to edit the WBS file properly.
That means (or meant for RFCA in that case), one or two months of work before you can even try out to play . I have gone through ths all, so I can help if you have any questions.

So, first step: Convert your save file to a WBS file.
Second step: Learn how to install the SDK and how to compile a DLL.

I like mapview ALOT. But I couldn't find where to increase/adjust the size of the map. And for the guidelines regarding on how to make this mod, many thanks! I will start learning now

hangman · Jun 23, 2011

Baron03 said:
I tried using that,but as I read it it requires other files to run and I don't kow where to find them

Rhye posted a walk through for installing python. I believe it's in the PDF that comes with the converter. If you follow it step-by-step, you should be fine.

Baron03 · Jun 24, 2011

Still having trouble with bitmap, I installed the other thing it required but it's all a bunch of python files. And I have the save changed to worldbuilder save but it still only let's me play as the two civs I set the map up as.

hangman · Jun 24, 2011

Okay, so if you installed all the python stuff correctly, just unzip the converter files to a new folder under python24. Edit your scenario.py file and your bitmaps, then right click the .py file and open with python. An empty window should come up. Go to file, then set options. Select your dimensions, bitmaps, etc., and it will do the rest.

For the other problem, is the playableciv option set to 1 for all the civs you want?

Black Whole · Jun 25, 2011

Baron03 said:
Still having trouble with bitmap, I installed the other thing it required but it's all a bunch of python files. And I have the save changed to worldbuilder save but it still only let's me play as the two civs I set the map up as.

Okay, now that you have a WBS you can start to edit the file: You will need a code editor (Personally, I use notepad++ download here). But the standard wordpad should work also. Right click on the WBS file and choose 'open with' either wordpad or notepad. There you can edit options, start date, number of teams, civs, starting civics, starting techs, etc... (But the techs are done in python, so you only want to give techs for the civs, that start from the beginning of your timeline). It is pretty self-explanatory.

Baron03 · Jun 26, 2011

I changed the WBS file using notepad++, I changed the map width from 64 to 80 and the bum plots written to 8320. I looked on mapview to see if it worked but all the new tiles north are white and when I click on them mapview crashes. The game will crash if I try to play the map. And as for bitmap, all I need to do is extend the map I already made north. I don't want to start over unless there is no possible way to change the map dimensions while saving it

hangman · Jun 26, 2011

I don't think there's a way to reverse engineer it, but on the bright side, you can make a new one relatively quickly, and you won't have to worry about resizing it again.

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