Seraiel
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Hi everybody 
I wanted to start out an "old -> new" series here. Purpose is to show you what I do / did and for you to watch my greatness
No, really, I suck atm. tbh, and purpose is for me and others to get better and not suck so much.
The "Replay" has a history in the game of Fifa Manager, where I took some Clubs from the lowest leages to a "Tripple" of Champions League, Championship and Cup wins, sometimes even combined with the World Championship or the European Championship (if I was national trainer at that time) . The "Replay" once went as long as 50 Pages having more than 50k clicks in a forum, which can't be compared to this one, as it mostly consisted out of a handful of fanatic users, I guess it will be very different here, as there is way more knowledge about Civ than about Fifa Manager and there are way more users that can take part in this.
I will only post games which got accepted in HoF for the moment, and most of them will be on Deity Huge Marathon 17 Civs settings, as that's what I'm trying to achieve atm. I will extensively try to keep my posts interessting for you, and I'm glad for anyone who participates in this series, as I want to learn, and as I will, others will too, and I'm sure this is gonna be a worthwile experience for lots of people, especially myself.
There has always been only one rule in the Replays, and that is that "'You are all players!" (You won't disagree to that) . You can all say what you want, but try to be constructive instead of destructive. Purpose of this still is for me and others to learn and improve, aswell as to simply have fun with the game, not more, not less. REMEMBER: HAVE FUN!!!
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So here are the settings for the first round:
I (We if someone wants to replay the starting save) play Mr. Imbaness Huanya Capac (remember, I'm still new to Civ and especially Deity and I'm playing for HoF purposes, so surely I pick a "strong leader", but as I will get better with this, I will try out others) .
Oponements are: Bismark, Cyrus, De Gaulle, Elizabeth, Frederick, Hannibal, Lincoln, Mansa Musa, Joao II, Mehmed II, Napoleon, Peter, Ramsses II, Roosevelt, Suleimann, Victoria, Washington
Aim of this, was not to take any Leader starting with Mysticism, so I can found Islam (yes, I took choose Religions and I'm a terrorist this time
) and get a holy City 100% to fund my further warfare. Having a Shrine really helps a lot, and with 17 Civs on a Huge map, chances a low to conquer one, so I took this route.
Furtheron, I left out any Leader being Protective, as I really tried them with HC, there is no fun in loosing 1/2 of all games because there is a Hills City with dual promoted Archers in it. In addition, I left out Aggressive leaders, as an early DoW can sacrifice the game completely. I certainly chose Mansa to be in the game, as he will always be in them, for being the only leader I know, who will trade Monopoly Techs away, another huge advantage.
However, some of you might consider this choice of mine "lame", but remember, it's for HoF purposes, so choosing leaders and "making it easy for myself" is perfectly ok, and not choosing Mysticism / PRO / AGG leaders also comes with disadvantages, like having some of the strongest leaders like Hannibal or Elizabeth in it, and AGG leaders aren't that bad either imho. One can easily bribe them against others which is a big advantage, and, if one does know how to deal with them, it's usually another big advantage. It would also have been easier if I had chosen leaders like Ghandi or Justinian instead, but then again, founding an early religion wouldn't have been possible by 100% and then the game would have been a matter of the chance, if I was able to conquer a holy city from the first 3 Civs I'm going to smack into the ground, and I wanted to rule out that chance, as playing Huge Domination takes quite some time. I might however make up another game in time with even easier leaders, to get an even earlier finish date, though that will mean throwing away the majority of games because I simply started in the wrong corner, something which happens to often if playing Huge Pangea with 17 Civs.
Also in addition, I ruled out Goody Huts, as they seem to help the AI more than oneself. On Deity, AI is starting out with two scouts, HC only has one slow moving Quechua, and I've seen it commonly, that one or two AI's get Writing, BW or even HBR by a Goody Hut early, something being able of changing a whole game. I left in random events, as I don't suppose they're that game changing and they can be quite funny sometimes, as a former MMO player who has played DAoC, Warhammer, AION and RIFT, I like the idea of questing in a strategy game, though I always hated questing in the MMO's and am more the "Grinder" type of person.
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Enough of the prelude: Here is the start!
(Actually, I don't know how to include a picture here as I have no webspace available atm. so I guess you have to scroll down to the attachements to see it) .
Questions:
Did I reroll the start? Of course There is no need to play with a weak start if attempting for HoF, so of course, this start is good.
What was I looking for, when creating the start? I was looking mainly for a plain Hills with a forrested plain Hills in the BFC, because that's what you need for the Quechua Rush. Plain hills gives 2
and forrested plain hills gives 3 so one is able to produce Quechuas in 6T. I tried out other good starts (sometimes I got as much as 5 Gems or something equal to that) but Quechuas every 7-8T is already luck dependent, as one can only attack the first target with 5-6 Quechuas instead of the 7 needed ones. A plain hill with a forrested plain Hill is a 100% safe way to get enough Quechuas for the first target, which will again be 7. 2 for every Archer he might have +1 for being extraordinaryly unlucky.
What was I also looking for when trying to achieve a "good" start: Mainly I looked for a riverside Gold or Wine on which I can settle, getting me the plain hills production bonus +3
. Better would have been a Marble or Stone hill, but they are so extremely rare, that this start simply doesn't have one. I also looked for a 2nd LUX that can be worked early as Maintenance is a big problem with HC, conquering so many cities and having so many units. This start has Gems, which might be even better than a 2nd Gold due to the additional luxury ressource. In addition the start has enough food, so that the city can become a giant commerce city, ok, a dry corn + a FP isn't the best you can get, but nobody won't argue against this start being decent.
If the start is underaverage or ueber with HC again is decided later, as it depends on what land you conquer, besides whom you start and other things like how many Quechuas do you loose which is RNG. This start fulfills the basics of having enough food, a plain hill to settle on, a forrested plain hill to be worked early and a 2nd LUX for City and Troop Maintenance.
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What did I do? Move the Warrior to NW to go scouting, as it was clear for me to settle on the Gold. Great City of Cuzco founded 3985 BC working the forrested plain Hills and going full Quechua production of 7 (!) Quechuas. I researched Meditation, again, remember the plan to make Cuzco the holy City of Islam and a supercommerce Capital.
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For the next part I have to reactivate my webspace, as I don't want to spoiler this map for anyone who wants to play it and I don't know how to include pictures in the spoiler-text with using the attachement function of this fourm, guess I'll need to link it from an URL.
The starting save is attached, and there is more to follow soon, be prepared
Till then, Seraiel
I wanted to start out an "old -> new" series here. Purpose is to show you what I do / did and for you to watch my greatness
No, really, I suck atm. tbh, and purpose is for me and others to get better and not suck so much.The "Replay" has a history in the game of Fifa Manager, where I took some Clubs from the lowest leages to a "Tripple" of Champions League, Championship and Cup wins, sometimes even combined with the World Championship or the European Championship (if I was national trainer at that time) . The "Replay" once went as long as 50 Pages having more than 50k clicks in a forum, which can't be compared to this one, as it mostly consisted out of a handful of fanatic users, I guess it will be very different here, as there is way more knowledge about Civ than about Fifa Manager and there are way more users that can take part in this.
I will only post games which got accepted in HoF for the moment, and most of them will be on Deity Huge Marathon 17 Civs settings, as that's what I'm trying to achieve atm. I will extensively try to keep my posts interessting for you, and I'm glad for anyone who participates in this series, as I want to learn, and as I will, others will too, and I'm sure this is gonna be a worthwile experience for lots of people, especially myself.
There has always been only one rule in the Replays, and that is that "'You are all players!" (You won't disagree to that) . You can all say what you want, but try to be constructive instead of destructive. Purpose of this still is for me and others to learn and improve, aswell as to simply have fun with the game, not more, not less. REMEMBER: HAVE FUN!!!
-----------
So here are the settings for the first round:
I (We if someone wants to replay the starting save) play Mr. Imbaness Huanya Capac (remember, I'm still new to Civ and especially Deity and I'm playing for HoF purposes, so surely I pick a "strong leader", but as I will get better with this, I will try out others) .
Oponements are: Bismark, Cyrus, De Gaulle, Elizabeth, Frederick, Hannibal, Lincoln, Mansa Musa, Joao II, Mehmed II, Napoleon, Peter, Ramsses II, Roosevelt, Suleimann, Victoria, Washington
Aim of this, was not to take any Leader starting with Mysticism, so I can found Islam (yes, I took choose Religions and I'm a terrorist this time
) and get a holy City 100% to fund my further warfare. Having a Shrine really helps a lot, and with 17 Civs on a Huge map, chances a low to conquer one, so I took this route.Furtheron, I left out any Leader being Protective, as I really tried them with HC, there is no fun in loosing 1/2 of all games because there is a Hills City with dual promoted Archers in it. In addition, I left out Aggressive leaders, as an early DoW can sacrifice the game completely. I certainly chose Mansa to be in the game, as he will always be in them, for being the only leader I know, who will trade Monopoly Techs away, another huge advantage.
However, some of you might consider this choice of mine "lame", but remember, it's for HoF purposes, so choosing leaders and "making it easy for myself" is perfectly ok, and not choosing Mysticism / PRO / AGG leaders also comes with disadvantages, like having some of the strongest leaders like Hannibal or Elizabeth in it, and AGG leaders aren't that bad either imho. One can easily bribe them against others which is a big advantage, and, if one does know how to deal with them, it's usually another big advantage. It would also have been easier if I had chosen leaders like Ghandi or Justinian instead, but then again, founding an early religion wouldn't have been possible by 100% and then the game would have been a matter of the chance, if I was able to conquer a holy city from the first 3 Civs I'm going to smack into the ground, and I wanted to rule out that chance, as playing Huge Domination takes quite some time. I might however make up another game in time with even easier leaders, to get an even earlier finish date, though that will mean throwing away the majority of games because I simply started in the wrong corner, something which happens to often if playing Huge Pangea with 17 Civs.
Also in addition, I ruled out Goody Huts, as they seem to help the AI more than oneself. On Deity, AI is starting out with two scouts, HC only has one slow moving Quechua, and I've seen it commonly, that one or two AI's get Writing, BW or even HBR by a Goody Hut early, something being able of changing a whole game. I left in random events, as I don't suppose they're that game changing and they can be quite funny sometimes, as a former MMO player who has played DAoC, Warhammer, AION and RIFT, I like the idea of questing in a strategy game, though I always hated questing in the MMO's and am more the "Grinder" type of person.
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Enough of the prelude: Here is the start!
(Actually, I don't know how to include a picture here as I have no webspace available atm. so I guess you have to scroll down to the attachements to see it) .
Questions:
Did I reroll the start? Of course
There is no need to play with a weak start if attempting for HoF, so of course, this start is good.What was I looking for, when creating the start? I was looking mainly for a plain Hills with a forrested plain Hills in the BFC, because that's what you need for the Quechua Rush. Plain hills gives 2
and forrested plain hills gives 3 so one is able to produce Quechuas in 6T. I tried out other good starts (sometimes I got as much as 5 Gems or something equal to that) but Quechuas every 7-8T is already luck dependent, as one can only attack the first target with 5-6 Quechuas instead of the 7 needed ones. A plain hill with a forrested plain Hill is a 100% safe way to get enough Quechuas for the first target, which will again be 7. 2 for every Archer he might have +1 for being extraordinaryly unlucky.What was I also looking for when trying to achieve a "good" start: Mainly I looked for a riverside Gold or Wine on which I can settle, getting me the plain hills production bonus +3
. Better would have been a Marble or Stone hill, but they are so extremely rare, that this start simply doesn't have one. I also looked for a 2nd LUX that can be worked early as Maintenance is a big problem with HC, conquering so many cities and having so many units. This start has Gems, which might be even better than a 2nd Gold due to the additional luxury ressource. In addition the start has enough food, so that the city can become a giant commerce city, ok, a dry corn + a FP isn't the best you can get, but nobody won't argue against this start being decent.If the start is underaverage or ueber with HC again is decided later, as it depends on what land you conquer, besides whom you start and other things like how many Quechuas do you loose which is RNG. This start fulfills the basics of having enough food, a plain hill to settle on, a forrested plain hill to be worked early and a 2nd LUX for City and Troop Maintenance.
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What did I do? Move the Warrior to NW to go scouting, as it was clear for me to settle on the Gold. Great City of Cuzco founded 3985 BC working the forrested plain Hills and going full Quechua production of 7 (!) Quechuas. I researched Meditation, again, remember the plan to make Cuzco the holy City of Islam and a supercommerce Capital.
-----------
For the next part I have to reactivate my webspace, as I don't want to spoiler this map for anyone who wants to play it and I don't know how to include pictures in the spoiler-text with using the attachement function of this fourm, guess I'll need to link it from an URL.
The starting save is attached, and there is more to follow soon, be prepared
Till then, Seraiel
That's a sweet start. I'm eagerly subbing to see if I can learn something out of this. I could never get 640 AD domination on Deity...
Remember: I've researched Meditation -> AH so I neither have roads, nor have cottages, all I have is, oh, 60g and I'm at -2g with 0% research? "I need commerce! Lets go Fishing... Oh noez! We don't have enough money to research Fishing, we're stuck! What can we do?"
