AI Bonuses

Thalassicus · Apr 23, 2012

This compares AI bonuses between the unmodded game and the G&K Enhanced Mod (GEM). King is the average difficulty for GEM players. Blue numbers indicate the AI is stronger than the unmodded game, and red numbers show the AI is weaker.

AIs spend gold smarter in GEM than vanilla. This makes the game more challenging at all difficulty levels. Click for details.

AIs start with (0.25 x difficulty x gamespeed) units in GEM.

Land: archers.
Coastal: triremes and archers.
50% fewer units if not militaristic.

AI capitals have (difficulty - 2) :c5production:

bonus yields. They get 25% less if not militaristic, and 50% more if they scored poorly on the worst AIs poll. The production bonus is limited by capital population.

Difficulty

1. Settler
2. Chieftain
3. Warlord
4. Prince
5. King
6. Emperor
7. Immortal
8. Deity

Gamespeed

067% : Quick
100% : Normal
150% : Epic
300% : Marathon

Txurce · Apr 23, 2012

That's very helpful. You may want to briefly explain how to read the percentages. For the layperson higher would seem better, but it's not always the case (happiness for example).

nemini · Apr 24, 2012

I think the AI gets FAR too many starting units. I mean, cmon, two archers, two work boats, two workers on top of the settler and warrior the human player gets?

How are we supposed to compete with that?

Screenshot from a game with the following settings: Difficulty Prince, Gamespeed Epic.

legoras · Apr 24, 2012

strength vs cities 150%, it's not too much?

Thalassicus · Apr 25, 2012

The AI is not very good at setting up a defensive line with siege units behind, so the strength bonus helps compensate for that.

In v151.3 I added a 25% AI cost reduction for wonders.

Txurce · Apr 25, 2012

Did you add the GW boost for v151.2 as well? They seem to be building them faster early on.

Thalassicus · Apr 25, 2012

Oh right, it was in v.2.

On a related note...

I chose a flat -25% wonder cost across all difficulty levels. This is different from vanilla where wonders are easy to get on Prince and impossible on Immortal. I don't like handicaps giving us fundamentally different gameplay. My goal is for harder difficulties to provide the same "style" of gameplay, just harder. This is also why middle difficulties have high AI experience bonuses. I want equal economic-military competition with the AI on every difficulty.

Zaldron · Apr 25, 2012

I'm a little curious about this 25% bonus: A few versions back (around v143-v148 I'd say) the emperor AI was beating me to all three of GL, Pyramids, and HG in about 90% of my games even given a concerted effort by me (mining->writing). Clearly something was working in those versions that enabled the AI to get the wonders without a significant production bonus. Did something else change that reduced their ability to produce wonders resulting in the need for this bonus?

EDIT: I'm worried that with this bonus a human player will *never* be able to get the early wonders.

gdwitt · Apr 25, 2012

I agree on the wonders. I've been getting nearly all the wonders recently on emperor.
And it's not due to a tech advantage.
Please help on the handicaps file:
What is:
AIWorldConstructPercent
AIWorldTrainPercent'
AIWorldCreatePercent

I can guess at what the non-world yyy percentsmean.

And is it true that lower numbers after these means quicker?

Except for ResearchPercent a higher number means quicker?
And for AIWorkRateModifier a higher number also means faster?

Seek · Apr 25, 2012

gdwitt said:
I agree on the wonders. I've been getting nearly all the wonders recently on emperor.
And it's not due to a tech advantage.
Please help on the handicaps file:
1) What is:
AIWorldConstructPercent
AIWorldTrainPercent'
AIWorldCreatePercent

I can guess at what the non-world yyy percentsmean.

2) And is it true that lower numbers after these means quicker?

3) Except for ResearchPercent a higher number means quicker?
And for AIWorkRateModifier a higher number also means faster?

1) The first is the wonder cost modifier and the others are unknown I believe.
2) and 3) Both yes.

Thalassicus · Apr 26, 2012

The reason for the AIs poor performance is Palaces no longer give 5 :c5production:

, and gold can't be used to buy wonders. AIs generally prioritize food in the capital, so it has lower production for AIs than old versions.

In v151 people were saying the AI never gets wonders. If a 25% bonus means the human can never get wonders now, we can try a middle ground like 10%.

Thalassicus · Apr 26, 2012

Either AICreatePercent or AIWorldCreatePercent modifies the cost of projects (Apollo, Manhattan, etc). It's not clear which is which. AIWorldTrainPercent is unknown.

rfxmills · Apr 26, 2012

Could you bring up the production for AI palaces from 2 :c5production:

to 4

? And maybe a low modifier, like 10% you suggested, to help them get situational wonders in other cities.

I know one of the reasoning for reducing the production bonus was to promote decentralization, but I think a small :c5production:

increase for the AI in their :c5capital:

will be good for producing settlers (I'm guessing they won't switch to production focus for this either) early on, which helps them get an empire to be decentralized with

Also a bit more centralization for the AI helps it cope with losing cities better and stay in the game, losing the :c5capital:

also loses the palace, so it won't OP anyone else.

markusbeutel · Apr 26, 2012

Thalassicus said:
The reason for the AIs poor performance is Palaces no longer give 5, and gold can't be used to buy wonders. AIs generally prioritize food in the capital, so it has lower production for AIs than old versions.

In v151 people were saying the AI never gets wonders. If a 25% bonus means the human can never get wonders now, we can try a middle ground like 10%.

Have you tried boosting WonderCompetitiveness for the AI? Setting this at 7+ for the AI pretty much makes them competitive without having to give specific bonuses. I've set it at 9 for all AI, as situational starting terrain is generally random enough to produce a varied ebb and flow as to which AI build what wonders (and how quickly) from game to game.

Thalassicus · Apr 26, 2012

@rfxmills
AIs get a capital production bonus equal to the average human difficulty setting.

@markusbeutel
The "competitiveness" values in a leader's personality affect diplomatic modifiers (You built a wonder we wanted!). I'm mostly certain those do not affect what AIs build. The leader_flavors table determines what they build. Changing these would have detrimental side-effects. The AI can only build one thing at a time, so if it focuses more on wonders, it's weaker in other areas of the game. For example, a high wonder flavor can block the production of settlers.

rfxmills · Apr 26, 2012

Thalassicus said:
@rfxmills
AIs get a capital production bonus equal to the average human difficulty setting.

Ok, could it get average human difficulty setting +2? If the AI gets a wonder production modifier to compensate for not going into production focus, I think they should get a settler production modifier as well, only around 10%.

Thalassicus · Apr 26, 2012

That would make the early game harder, instead of the late game, which would counteract the goal detailed in the early vs late difficulty balancing thread.

rfxmills · Apr 26, 2012

Thalassicus said:
That would make the early game harder, instead of the late game, which would counteract the goal detailed in the early vs late difficulty balancing thread.

Is that just the +2 :c5production:

on the

? Or the modifiers as well?

I find that default focus really hates production tiles, I always have to manually assign citizens to get some decent hammers going. Could you give +1 :c5production:

per 3 or 4 :c5citizen:

for all AI cities? Which would fit in with the early/late scaling and is decentralised.

albie_123 · Apr 26, 2012

A clever idea! And one that I can't see a downside to. Tall AI's have never done too well anyway.

Gamewizard · Apr 26, 2012

I agree that the city default focus is a problem. For example, it will prioritize a 2 food 1 gold coast tile over a 3 production 2 gold mined riverside Gold tile, as long as you have a happy empire. This is clearly giving the AIs problems, particularly early in the game when the empire is really happy. They will never be competitive for wonders when they are working all the coast tiles first.

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