Dutch parliamentary elections 2012

What would you vote in the Dutch parliamentary elections?

  • VVD - Conservative-liberal party

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • PvdA - Labour party

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • PVV - Conservative far-right party

    Votes: 5 10.4%
  • CDA - Conservative centre-right party

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • SP - Socialist party

    Votes: 11 22.9%
  • D66 - Progressive-liberal party

    Votes: 12 25.0%
  • GroenLinks - Green-liberal party

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • CU - Confessional-left party

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • SGP - Confessional-conservative party

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • PvdD - Party for animal rights

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 50Plus - Party for seniors

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Total voters
    48

anandus

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On the 12th of september there'll be new parliamentary elections after the collapse of the government on the 21st of april.

The economy is of course a big issue in this election, but this election is also seen as an unofficial referendum on Europe.

The parties that will participate in the elections and are expected to get a seat are the following ones.
In parentheses the amount of current seats the party has, out of a total of 150 seats. I've also added a short description of each party in English.

VVD (31) - Conservative-liberal party
PvdA (30) - Labour party
PVV (24) - Conservative far-right party
CDA (21) - Christian Democratic party
SP (15) - Socialist party
D66 (10) - Progressive-liberal party
GroenLinks (10) - Green-liberal party
CU (5) - Confessional-left party
SGP (2) - Highly confessional-conservative party
PvdD (2) - Party for animal rights
50Plus (-) - Party for seniors

I've added a poll for flavour :king:
 
CU are the Christian Union and SGP are the Reformed Political Party are Orthodox Protestant.

Was not sure what Confessional was.
 
CU are the Christian Union and SGP are the Reformed Political Party are Orthodox Protestant.

Was not sure what Confessional was.
Yeah, apparently it's a typical Dutch term(?)
Wikipedia: Confessionalism (politics)
Confessionalism (Arabic: taifiyya) is a system of government that refers to de jure mix of religion and politics. It can mean distributing political and institutional power proportionally among religious communities.
I tried to avoid the term 'reformed' as I wanted to avoid any confusion, as one can also be 'politically reforming', which is ironic, as the confessional parties are actually highly conservative/reactionary, especially concerning ethical/biblical issues, like abortion, euthanasia, gay rights and sunday shopping.
 
Probably SP, though I might consider voting GroenLinks instead.

BTW, CDA also is a confessional party. I think the term Christian Democratic is internationally more well known. Note that in most of the Anglophone world, "Liberal" means Left. While this would fit the bill for D66 (which more or less resembles the US Democrats), it wouldn't do for the VVD (who are in fact is centrist leaning conservatives, not liberals or libertarians).
 
Probably SP, though I might consider voting GroenLinks instead.

BTW, CDA also is a confessional party. I think the term Christian Democratic is internationally more well known.
Yes, I know, although the 'Christian' part (besides their name) isn't that pronounced, you're also right. They are and are not confessional at the same time, so I went with a safe bet.
But I'll change it to Christian Democratic.
Note that in most of the Anglophone world, "Liberal" means Left.
With 'anglophone world' you mean the US ;)
In the UK 'liberal' has the same meaning as in the Netherlands, see the Liberal Democrats for instance, who are akin to D66 :)

But as always, it's hard to label parties. That's why I put the Wikpedia-links in there as well :)
 
VVD appears to me the most to my liking. Basically, I want someone who's liberal, centre-right, pro-EU, and realistic about immigration.
 
BTW, CDA also is a confessional party. I think the term Christian Democratic is internationally more well known. Note that in most of the Anglophone world, "Liberal" means Left. While this would fit the bill for D66 (which more or less resembles the US Democrats), it wouldn't do for the VVD (who are in fact is centrist leaning conservatives, not liberals or libertarians).

We're talking about Continental politics, though.
 
VVD appears to me the most to my liking. Basically, I want someone who's liberal, centre-right, pro-EU, and realistic about immigration.

You might like D66 as well. While they're somewhat leftist on immigration, they are very Pro-EU, centre-right on economics and left-liberal on social issues such as gay rights.

CDA is also very pro-EU and centre-right. While Christian Democratic, the fact we're talking about Dutch politics makes them automatically relatively more secularized and more socially liberal than many self-described liberal parties in the East-bloc.

VVD generally is more focused on free-market economics than anything else. They're somewhat Pro-EU and somewhat left-liberal on social issues (except drugs and law & order), they don't give a damn about anything but economics. They're especially well-known for their support of mortgage interest deducation, which has lead to housing inflation and increased private mortgage debt and will continue to do so in the future

Anandus said:
In the UK 'liberal' has the same meaning as in the Netherlands, see the Liberal Democrats for instance, who are akin to D66

Actually, the UK libdems are even to the left of Labour. :) The only exception to "Liberal-is-Left-in-the-Anglophone-world" I know of is Australia, where its self-described Liberal Party is just plainly Conservative.
 
I picked PvdA for their political ideas. But the sluggish way they conduct politics is not really to my liking.

Pretty psyched about the g500 idea. Our politics could use a kick in the arse.

edit: Ok, who picked PVV?! :nono:
 
Actually, the UK libdems are even to the left of Labour. :) The only exception to "Liberal-is-Left-in-the-Anglophone-world" I know of is Australia, where its self-described Liberal Party is just plainly Conservative.

That's only because of how far New Labor shifted to the right, and that might not even be true with how the LDP has been doing in the coalition.
 
From what little I know about Dutch politics, D66 looks quite interesting.
 
You might like D66 as well. While they're somewhat leftist on immigration, they are very Pro-EU, centre-right on economics and left-liberal on social issues such as gay rights.

Actually the only party that doesn´t actively supports gay rights would be the SGP. I think all other parties have gays in their ranks.
 
VVD appears to me the most to my liking. Basically, I want someone who's liberal, centre-right, pro-EU, and realistic about immigration.
Woulda had you done as a PVV man. Euroscepticism turn you off?
 
When did Winner ever say anything that associates him with national populism?
 
Yeah, Winner is much more into Euro populism. :D
 
When did Winner ever say anything that associates him with national populism?
The fact that he frequently expresses support for populist nationalists suggests at least some affinity. The difference seems to consist largely of where he locates his nationalism, specifically, at a civilisational rather than ethnic level.
 
Now I know what you mean. Just remembered his stance on the Muslim world.
 
Probably D66, as i'm a social liberal. They like lots of civil liberties combined with a wealfare state, right?
 
Picked the PvdA, though the Socialists and D66 don't seem too far off from what I'd like. D66 did sound far too American-Electoral-System for me though, nor does their described centre-right position on economics.

I'm surprised the PvdA isn't doing better in this poll; have they bungled things pretty thoroughly in the past?
 
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