C2c_Marketing and PR

On behalf of StrategyOnly,

Rightfuture is the Head of Marketing and PR.

I will give him full access to our Moddb, and he will help out in spreading the word of our great mod!

This thread is about how to spread the word of Caveman2Cosmos,request for marketing material, Caveman2Cosmos Moddb discussion, and to present our mod to future players in the best way possible.

Good luck Rightfuture! Please spread the word to the world how awesome C2C is!

One day this mod will be more popular then FFH2

Thank you Strategy Only, MrAzure, and Hydromancerx!!,

Everybody who reads this should feel like they have a role in letting people know about just how great C2C already is!
Please tell people! It is up to every one of us to see it become even greater, by letting people know!

(updated 3-25-13)
I plan on updating and organizing this thread very soon, I just need to do a little modding 1st!
If you have any ideas feel free to post!!

C2C - Caveman2Cosmos is Awesome!!!!,
and I want everyone one to know exactly why,
so I am now responsible for getting the word out about Caveman2Cosmos!
I am open to all types of help, ideas, assistance, and partnership to accomplish this goal.
People just haven't discovered how really great C2C is , yet, so why not let them in on our secret!

(to be inserted immediately - Best phrase to use to tell people about C2C!)


Here is what I've learned so far to spread the word so that EVERYONE can help make C2C better.
1st We all need to tell people and get the word out. Most people have not heard about it, ....yet!

A. When you tell us that C2C is great, and why you think that it is,
please take the time to share your opinion here with others, and let them know how good you think that C2C is!
(and if you post it on the internet, please link it here and list it in this thread! so that others can know)!:

Best statements about C2C(So Far!):

To the creators of C2C
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=484339

TheKingOfSpace said:

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, C2C is Gaming Enlightenment. C2C is making me question the purpose of games other than CivIV. Why bother with them now, when they will never be as good as CivIV with C2C? Civilization V can never be what C2C is. How can I possibly be excited about Europa Universalis IV now? And to think that C2C is NOT EVEN COMPLETE? To think that the Prehistoric Era is NOT EVEN FINISHED??? I fear that if multi-maps are ever made a possibility, that I will fuse to my PC chair due to not moving from it. And should I die fused to my chair, it will be worth it. There will be no reason to move, as C2C is that good ALREADY. To think of what it has the potential to be..... it has the potential to be THE Video Game. The Ultimate and Absolute, never to be rivaled by anything, EVER. How could ANYTHING compare to a game that literally spans the whole of human existence?
That is all.

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Mine and my friend's feedback on the mod
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=488885

Vendayn said:

Never have me and my friend laughed so hard at a game/mod before.
We were trying various mods, and since we both love Cavemen...I saw the mod and said "gotta try it". I was actually kinda pissed because I downloaded another mod it was rather sucky, and it was such a huge pain to install and was getting kinda annoyed.
So here is Caveman. I already had SVN installed for a Warband (Mount and Blade) mod, so all that was pretty much done. SVN is easier to use than downloading and installing it (for me).
And me and my friend...we never expected this mod...

Spoiler :

The main menu music...the most hilarious and random song we have ever heard. We literally listened to the menu music for 30 or 45 minutes, laughing so hard that we were in tears. Then we spent an hour looking at every civilization in the pedia, and laughed even harder. The pictures for the various civs and the music at the same time...man we were on the ground lolling so hard.
So we spent pretty much a little over an hour laughing at the music and at all the really random leader pictures for each civ. And we lolled hard that we could play as a statue in some of the civs and there were other tons of funny pics. We didn't even start the mod for like an hour and a half, and we were already in love with it. Literally an hour and a half of non stop laughing.
I thought maybe it was gonna be good (or not)...but never expected such randomness. The menu music was the last thing I ever expected.
And the research made us crack up too. Like I got elephant taming research or something, but the voice had nothing to do with elephants rofl. And like growing herbs...that cracked us up rofl.
Then I was looking at the features at the pedia...and this is the biggest mod I've ever seen for any game! Even bigger imo than any Oblivion and Skyrim mods! And SOOOO much research!
\Then I was reading how the mod devs want to be able to do multi maps or something, and colonize space in the galactic area. If that is successfully put in (guess its a hard feature to put in)...this mod will single handedly be the best game ever. I LOVE love space...and to be able to actually start colonizing it later down the line...it will be the best thing ever. There are only very few games where you start on a planet, and then can colonize space...usually its just a planet...or just space...very very very (you get the picture) rarely is it both.

I didn't know if this mod would suck or not before I got it...but never have I (or my friend) had so much fun and laughed so hard at a game (or mod).

Good job guys

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and

Amazed
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=475284

crazyewok said:

Just registered so say how amazed I am at this mod. Im enjoying this far more than I did CIV5 which iv unloaded as trhis mod makes it obsolete. And I cant wait till you implement your future plans such as the multi maps. Once thats done you will practicaly make half my other games obsolete
Not really sure what I can do to help part from look out for bugs. Dunno if if you can use a biolgist and a ametuer 18th/ 19th century historian lol

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These are just a few threads started for C2C praise by people like you and me
for starters, as inspiration. Please go out of you way to share your excitement and opinion as these people did!
(there is much more of this type of post around!)
Please add your voice! People are just started to hear more about C2C, be the first to tell them! It's not just our secret anymore!-

so feel free to use this statement:

rightfuture said:

C2C -Cavemen to Cosmos -

C2C was built on the philosophy, add more (for the right reasons) and make it better.
They started with the latest version of AND (built on ROM) and the mod-mod and turned of ROM features re-enabled,
with the concept of making a complete prehistoric era, and merging in the ideas from discarded attempts.
They continue to deliver it by working new features out first, and then balance / smooth them out as a process,
where they come together before every new version to play the new features, smooth them out, and eliminate bugs as a team.
What makes C2C the most special to me is that they take time to listen to ideas, and help players out, while focusing most of their time on making C2C better!
They even take time to answer questions from players, and are building a route, with tutorials for people to learn how to mod C2C, so they can develop their own ideas, and be a part of the C2C phenomenon.

C2C has pioneered many major new ideas including breaking the resource limit, and vastly increasing the turn speed so that even people with older pc's can play C2C.
C2C has incorporated ideas from many mods, and is continuously looking to partner with them to develop the ideas better, like the idea of multi-maps, so that both sets of mods will continue to benefit!
They have added and creating impressive new terrain, resources, and technologies, and have reworked thousands of buildings to make use of resources in a new crafting system.
And They are actively working with the best of the community to make Civilization even better.

C2C is the ultimate community mod, and everything Civ 6 should, and probably could be! And it's gaining momentum!

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Or share your own opinion. Please we would all love to hear it!!!

I would start by saying something in the C2C Modpacks thread, because that is probably the place that people will go first.

1. Civfanatics forum - Modpacks - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=171
and the appropriate mods within.

2. ROM -The Rise of Mankind mod- http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=273373
An amazing abandoned mod, that continuously has a ton of traffic from new and revisiting visitors. For a long time this was the most popular mod, surpassing even Fall from Heaven. AND and C2C are built with it.
The ROM threads are good places to remind people about C2C, since so many people have heard about them.
People don't realize the ROM evolved into AND and C2C is a much more evolving version of AND.
Please regularly go there and remind people that C2C is the progressing version of ROM.
also remind to say something in
ROM's Development forum - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=269

AND or RAND - Rise of Mankind - A New Dawn -http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=372884

AND inspired C2C, and is awesome. It may or may not get additional love from Afforess, It's maker.
AND was built on the last version of ROM and formed the philosophy of making features optional and including mod-mods.
It gained a large following and played even smoother as it took the place of ROM.
Afforess then decided to trim back, cut down certain ROM features, and some of the mod-mods, and turn AND into a focused mod that finalizes it's vision.
He stopped regularly developing AND at one point and is currently looking to polish and finish a complete version, as he wishes.

Just like ROM, AND revolutionized civilization game-play. In fact the both receive so much regular support that Civ V was hard pressed to do anything new.
Please take time to visit the AND Project forum as well, and thank Afforess for being a part of the creation of C2C,
Afforress does occasionally continue to help C2C with ideas, and modding both ways, AND recently incorporated some of C2C's improvements.
Please remind people of C2C and AND's great relationship and C2C's ongoing growth carefully in AND's project forum below and main thread above. Both mods deserve a lot of credit.

AND's project forum - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=369

Please be respectful. Simply encourage people to try C2C because it is More of what made AND and ROM great - ideas. And it Keep Improving!!

The modders of AND components that were shut off by Afforess (not maliciously) decided to come together with the heavyweight - Strategy Only,
and keep the community process growing, while making the vision even brighter,
And thus C2C was born!

Please take some of your time to thank the ModTeam for the great experience of C2C that they are improving on, and let people know there what you honestly think!


3. This forum (anywhere appropriate) - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=449

Random shout-outs when inspired are appreciated.

4. C2C Creation and Customization - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=158

Where new mods start - people looking for fresh content don't realize the progress that C2C is making.

5. The Civ V forums - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=385

Probably the general discussion thread is a good start

- http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=375

and the Welcome new members thread could be a good idea

- http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=260824

since most people will eventually and probably look for a deeper and more evolved experience (hint C2C)

I would also post in the - Civ5 Civilization 5 Rants Thread

- http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=401228

Since this cuts to the heart of the matter. I don't dislike Civ V, I just can't play it since it is too simple.

6. Other Civ forums - please feel free to suggest them and I'll add them.

Apolyton Civ Forums -http://apolyton.net/

We Play Civ - http://www.weplayciv.com/

and others that you find.

7. 4x Civ -type game forums (turn based, real time, doesn't matter)

I'll list these also.

8. Pretty much any gaming site where there is discussion.
Gaming magazines and sites
Game forums
Blogs
Major discussion sites, reddit, digg, facebook, etc.
I'll list these also.

Please visit those areas, appropriately let people know about C2C, and remember to come back. C2C will get even better!

B. I will get to B.

The point is always be respectful of other games and points of view, when you talk about C2C, especially in other games, and modpack forums. There is always room for both. They will always be different interpretations, no matter what.

This is an invitation for Everybody to feel free to share their honest praise of C2C!
Please share your opinions here, and link your post to other forums. It is the best way to get the word out, and get more people, to come see C2C to help make it even better!

If you love C2C, CIV or CIV IV, please make your voice heard so we can see even more!,

I am open to pretty much anyone's ideas for helping get the word out.

For the Love of Civ! Try out and stay with, the ultimate community mod and best improvement of CIV so far, C2C!
p.s. Please tell your friends. talking about C2C and playing a multiplayer game is just as Amazing as playing it!

This thread is for all of your ideas, and mine ,
It is also great place to post your praise of C2C,
and share your better ideas of getting the word out.
Together we can plan the best strategy, and finally get the word out!

If you are registered in any forum - it is a good idea to place a little praise for C2C in your signature.





You should play C2C - Cavemen2Cosmos, the transcendent Civilization IV mod, or you will already have missed out! It improves more every month than Civ 6 will probably deliver!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=449
Rightfuture - Long time player, new official Head of Marketing and PR, and beginning modder of C2C!
(I plan on doing so immediately (3-25-13)

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Hydromancerx said:

Good luck Rightfuture! Please spread the word to the world how awesome C2C is!

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Thank you, I appreciate your support. I can't help but love C2C, and now I have a chance to really go out and say something about it. We all do.

I will definitely try to get the word out. Please tell everybody in your own words what you love most about C2C.

GiuseppeIII said:

One day this mod will be more popular then FFH2

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No doubt, I bet it won't be that long. Once people actually hear about the great features of C2C, they will Fall up to C2C Heaven, like I did. Thanks for your support, let's start getting the word out, please tell everyone what you love most about C2C!

GiuseppeIII said:

One day this mod will be more popular then FFH2

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I'll bet that once we have the Galactic Era fully working with Multi-Maps every civfanatic (hence the name of the site) will play C2C, and our popularity will soar. Our rough timeline has work for the Galactic Era beginning as soon as Koshling gets Multi-Maps in the DLL, which he thinks will be in a week or two.

I would say my primary role so far has been units, promotions, and balancing.

@ls612
- I think that most people on Civfanatics still think ROM and AND are still the most revolutionary mods. They haven't heard that C2C improves upon both radically. Even regular players on Civfanatics haven't caught on to the progress C2C has made. It kinda shocks me, since they are looking for the best mod to play.
Their threads speak the tale of people coming back to the forums from Civ V and wanting more. Notice how many people are showing up in the C2C threads lately saying the could kick themselves for missing it for so long? I've seen a lot of that lately. Heck, I have been missing out by not stepping up, and contributing what I can. C2C shouldn't be a quiet surprise. I think there are more good features in C2 already than most mods, Civ V, and probably Civ 6, and a lot more developing. C2C will grow and add even more greatness once people realize what it already is. We Just need to get the word out.

For most people, just playing or modding C2C is a focus. We need to get them talking, internally and externally. I am learning how to mod immediately but I know the value of promotion to C2C. I think everybody needs to take a moment here and there to regularly tell people what they love about C2C.

I think promotion and outside discussion will get us a lot of benefits:
-A whole lot more people would get to see, and play it. Not to mention fall in love like we did.
-People would be inspired to help with the really good ideas.
-Players could be inspired to learn how to mod (me for instance) and take over more time consuming tasks so that the Mod Team can take on the Big Ideas more freely.
- New modders could have great ideas for improving C2C.
- Modders who have great ideas for their own mods could be encouraged to check out C2C and join the community, since C2C is the new ROM and AND, they could want to participate just to create/work on new ideas together. We may just have to reach out and invite them.

If you want to help promote with me, you are most welcome, and I would love the help and critique. I'm going to prepare a set of well written statements, and promotional materials so that anyone can share C2C and do it justice.

Any good modder, like you, can make a huge difference by commenting in other mods and encourage them to check out your stuff in C2C, and work on stuff together.

I think C2C's only problem is exposure now. We could always use more cross-collaboration to get people who have their own mods into a working relationship on improving features with C2C.
Anyone can also drop a "You really should check out C2C - it is doing this, and also this,this, and this. It really is growing in leaps and bounds."

I think every so often we will benefit from a 'Hey check this out!' We just need to get the word out.

@rightfuture: I agree with almost everything you said, we definitely need more exposure. You are the perfect guy to do that for us, and we'd appreciate it very much.

However, what I meant by my previous statement is that the Multi-Maps has already recieved front-page coverage several times, even though it is still in the development stage. When we implement it in a workable form and add content for it, I'll bet we'll have a front-page article, and everyone on CFC sees those. That will notify many people of our mod who will say "cool, multiple maps? Where can I get that!".

bump for jmmendesp

rightfuture said:

bump for jmmendesp

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Well, now I feel bad for opening the other thread

Should be merge the other one to this?

jmmendesp said:

Well, now I feel bad for opening the other thread

Should be merge the other one to this?

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Never feel bad about wanting to improve C2C.
If anything I encourage your enthusiasm to talk about Cavemen2Cosmos as much as you feel comfortable.
Everyone should feel free to speak their mind, to positive effect.
We will never know what we can do until we try.

I am here to help us all reach further.

We can continue to use this thread for organizing or thoughts, and your thread could continue to inspire spontaneous praise. I think We need both. We can merge and organize ideas into this thread.
I look forward to seeing what we can do together.

My goal is just to get the word out together in the best way possible.
If everyone individually shares their own thoughts,
.....and comes together to present the best face of what is already great about C2C,
.....and we share our improving high expectations of reaching to make C2C the best of what it could become,
Then C2C will be free to become everything we want it to be!

If we are careful in sharing our honest praise for C2C then we will get more of what we are looking for; honest participation.
I don't want C2C to descend and wander in to common denominator 'flashy' territory;
I want C2C to rise into vision and the challenge of subtle brilliance and ambition.
I think we should lift it up, and fight to make it 'more' of the best, instead of less.
It's promise simply deserves to be seen!

righrfuture you need to add stuff and a install guide to Moddb

we need
-install guide
-features completed
-testimonial page
-modteam bios page maybe?

u can use the add features tab.

Thank you Sarah,

I sincerely wanted to organize these things weeks ago.

I am unfortunately very sick right now,

I passed out last night, so I'm in some serious territory.
Luckily the cardiologist and neurologist tests came back ok.

I hope to be back faster than probable.
All I'm capable of is answering a few questions around sleeping for the next couple of days.
I won't let anything stop me.

I'm always open to help and suggestions. We all need each other sometimes.

rightfuture said:

Thank you Sarah,

I sincerely wanted to organize these things weeks ago.

I am unfortunately very sick right now,

I passed out last night, so I'm in some serious territory.
Luckily the cardiologist and neurologist tests came back ok.

I hope to be back faster than probable.
All I'm capable of is answering a few questions around sleeping for the next couple of days.
I won't let anything stop me.

I'm always open to help and suggestions. We all need each other sometimes.

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Get your rest!

Here is the Features page i was working on, i think i listed 75 features, and only did 43.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/caveman2cosmos/features/features-of-caveman2cosmos