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A and L's dad
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Play the Map and Civilization (PTMaC) Part 2. Mastering Prince
Play the Map and Civilization (PTMaC) Part 2. Mastering Prince
This Prince level walkthrough will focus on helping players from Settler through Prince Difficulty levels. The emphasis is to choose the path to victory by using the available land and adapting the game as map knowledge is gain. I have yet to lose a game while playing the map up to Immortal. For simplicity the game will be broken into several Phases. Phase 1: Capital and initial techs, builds and exploration. (Turn 0 to about Turn 35+-) Spoiler:
Phase 2: Peaceful Expansion (Until available good land is taken or Science slider drop to about 30%). Locate and settle your first city between T30-40. Hopefully the cities are connected via road or culture. I have observed that even before the knowledge of Sailing, cities that are connected by rivers will establish trade routes as long as the cities are connected via culture boundary. Spoiler:
Phase 3: Forceful Expansion; aka War Mongering. First thing to do is to select an opponent. I like to takeout someone that will be a monster soon or a lunatic that will give trouble soon. Hopefully the AI shares borders with you but that is not a requirement. At this level, typical AI has about 5-6 cities with about 2 defenders in each and almost no stack of doom (around 0 AD). Monti and similar character may have a stack and already warring. So always keep an eye out for known troublemakers. OB with the AI and send couple of chariots/scouts/warriors on recon learn about the units the AI have. Spoiler:
Phase 4: Post War Recovery. Spoiler:
Phase 5 and beyond: Do what is needed to win. Spoiler:
On to the Game This game will be a random leader, shuffle type map using HoF Buffy Mod. Here are the settings. Spoiler:
The random leader is Spoiler:
The start is... Spoiler:
Humm. Ok this is not the first start. The first start had a sheep on a plains hill and rest forests. No thank you. I want food. So on 4th regeneration, I got this. This is good enough. I am already sure that I am going to settle on the PH wine for extra hammer and commerce. Will be back with first set.
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A and L's dad
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PtMaC 2- Prince
Phase 1 Moved the scout to see if there is anything to East that will be missed by moving to the PH wine. See nothing important to east the Settler run to the PH wine. There is coast to the west and pray there are no sea food there. Found the Capital on hill. Start worker and learning Agriculture. Spoiler:
I want to build a few cottages early, so after aggriculture, the tech path will hear to Pottary. Mean while the scout will explore the land to find a site for the second city. After completing the worker, the capital built 2 warriors and the worker promptly farmed the wheat and 1 flood plain tile and will improve the ivory next. 30 turns went by very fast and at the end of it, here us what was discoverd. Spoiler:
The capital. Spoiler:
Tech Picture Spoiler:
Info Screen Spoiler:
After the current worker is done, the capital will build a settler to place a blocking city to the north claiming sheep and deer. This city will also build the Oracle. Below is the preliminary dot maps. Spoiler:
Will be back with the plan for next set. If anyone is going to shadow this, please use spoilers. Thank you.
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Imperator
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Nice, pretty good idea to help out the lower level players, and this is probably the setup i should've done for my toku game. Even though i'm a emperor player i may shadow this if i have the time. If you dont mind. Some comparison saves with another higher level player might help people learn and observe (and it may even help me learn something
)Is there a link for part one by the way? |
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A and L's dad
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=456927
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A and L's dad
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Phase 2 Plan.
This is expansion and claiming a chunk of land for the new empire. The dot map help me plan how to proceed. First priority is to claim the red dot city. This will be what I call a found and forget city. The reason I call it is that I will use this city to build the wonders I want. Of course it will not be forgotton but it let me enjoy the builder side of my personality. But before that I will use the Red Dot as a production city. As you can see this city will have food to grow and hammers to build anything we can start at this level. This city will only need a road on the wheat tile to be connected to the capital. Only thing is that I should have my settler already done to safely claim it. But it should not be early for Prince. Second priority is to determine which of the yellow dot or blue dot (gold) city to claim as the 3rd city.
Technologically, this map begs for Forges (2 happy with gold and gems), Animal Husbandry for what is already visible and hidden horses and obviously BW. I have yet to play a map that did not need BW, have you? Question is can we delay any of these tech and use what we already know? Should we risk heading to Alphbet after BW? Then decide if the Oracle> MC is possible. Right now it seem a good path to take. We can determine how to proceed after learning BW. Worker: After ivory, he will be busy building a road on What and then a few cottages for capital. Second worker after settler will help with more of the same and a camp.
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A and L's dad
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PtMac2-Prince
Phase 2-Set 1 Continued the game till BW is learned. Prior to this the second city was founded to north. Spoiler:
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When the set ended on T38 this is all we know about the land. The poor scout has been attacked 3 times so far and that limited the exploration. Spoiler:
Information on the empire at turn 38. Spoiler:
Cool thing about being Spirtual is No Anarchy. We just switch civics to Slavery. The plan is to explore more and determine where the city 3 is going to be founded. I prefer the closer city to the SE of the Capital but we amy have to claim the gold city. The fact that this map have all 3 precious metal make a forge a must in every city. Writing is a place holder for the moment but it is a good tech to know since I want an early Academy in the capital. After that where to head is going to be dictated by what we find in the fog. Att his level the warriors can take care of the barbs by mainly spawn busting but I would feel better with horses or copper in the fog. The options are get AH, Alphabet or IW aftr writing. Capital will grow to size 6 and build the second worker slowly and whip a settler as soon as possible afterwards. Then it will build a Library and grow to 2 red faces and whip a settler. Second city will be building warriors for MP and fog busting while growing.
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Warlord
Join Date: Feb 2010
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In my opinion binary research is best used right after you discover writing. You shut down research, build libraries in cap and another city, then crank research back up again.
The benefits are twofold: 1) the gold you saved by shutting down research is run through the library amplifier and is worth more than it was before. 2) you can decide what tech you are going to research based off what the a.I. does, I.e., aesthetics or alpha. Since this is prince however, you will have to research alpha anyway. |
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A and L's dad
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Warlord
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The AI on prince will take FOREVER to get to alpha, you will have to self tech it
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A and L's dad
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Alpha it is.
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A and L's dad
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PtMaC P2 - Prince
Phase2 set2 Picked up where left off and continued learning writing with the plan to learn Alphabet next. And then this happend Spoiler:
Capital and next builds. Spoiler:
We learned Alpha on turn 64. Spoiler:
And there are horses Spoiler:
Here is the tech situation at the end of that turn and some the status of the Empire. Spoiler:
So now it seem that there is a chance to build the Oracle to learn MC for free since no one on we know have the knowlege of Priesthood. This map is quite favorable for Forge enhansed happiness. But first lets claim that gold. For this the capital is allowed to grow to size 8 and whip a settler for 3 pop. But HRE has other ideas for the gold. Spoiler:
Ended this set on Turn 75 (1000 BC) and about 4 turns from finishing the Oracle. Here is more data on the empire at 1000 BC. Spoiler:
After the capital finish the settler, it will hire 2 scientist and start on a Rax slowly working mainly cottages untill it can build a Forge. Forge will be done before the Rax. The Oracle is done in 4 turns and the I will set that city on food emphisis and it will go on a whipping cycle to help expansion efforts. But its next build will be a forge, rax and units. The workers will be done with the pasture and camp soon. Second cottage site is building an archer and will get a Forge and a Library next. Then it will do minor unit supply while working cottages mainly. The gold city is building a monument and follow that with a Granary and a forge. This will be the second production city. Next city will either claim the copper to the east on the desert or the horses. Since I am partial to copper, I have a feeling that is where the 5th city is heading. I see stone near that copper too . Time to start roads.Playing the Map
EDIT: Added the save.
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Deity
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Great serie. Enjoying the read. Keep it up.
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Deity
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Raping them...
Haven't been around since last year, thought I'd pop in and try to relax a bit...
I had some problems early in that the AI's were too damn slow teching, so I genocided the entire continent before anyone got close to alphabet. And then... I decided to sit back and just experiment for a bit... Victim #1 Spoiler:
Victim #2 Spoiler:
Victim #3 Spoiler:
Victim #4 Spoiler:
Liberalism Spoiler:
At this point... I decided to just sit back, and see how much pounding the other two guys could take with nukes until they were willing to capit. Domination... Spoiler:
Well, someone finally blinked. Not much else to say, didn't really micro manage-much, and I decided to goof-off by building a bunch of shrines. Had at least 4 of them... for kicks. Oh yes, and one more thing.... looks like I forgot to build cottages again!
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A and L's dad
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Thanks Killroyan
@ Obsolete Here I am changing my mind about what to get from the Oracle. You are telling me you haven't build a single cottage. Well.... ![]() I am not surprised having read your games from the past. So I guess I could take this opportunity to show how superior cottage economy is ![]() .. sorry just causing problems. But seriously, thank you for showing how a true warmonger deal with the map. I am sure new players will appreciate. Welcome back btw.
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Deity
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Well, I was going to use Liberalism for something more expensive, but I gave the purple guy too many free techs all game (just so he could stay alive). So eventually suddenly he decides to try and take my liberalism from me after all that.... nice guy. Naturally I couldn't stall anymore after that.
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A and L's dad
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Regarding Lib, when I was into space games I learned that early Lib to get astro is better than late hugher tech because at midgame the expensive techs are taking about 15 -20 turns and by the time I get to expensive techs such as Industrialism or bigger, number of turns are around 7-10 turns.
Ok, back to the game. Looking at the map, I realize I need to speed up the expansion and aim to get CS from the Oracle and tech Calander sooner than later. I may ignore Lit altogather.....for the moment.
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A and L's dad
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PtMaC P2 - Prince
Phase2 set3 Started the continuation of this game with a few goals.
When I realized that none of the Ai had PH, I decided to head to CoL after Math and plan to get CS from the Oracle. The plan is to wait untill 1 turn is left to finish the Oracle and start on other build and complete the Oracle to coincide with the CoL completion date. Spoiler:
Next came currency and a few tech trades. Spoiler:
500 BC Spoiler:
Reminders Buffy gives you the option to use reminder feature using ALT + m button. Here is a use. Spoiler:
Run to AD's Poor Nurenberg under Oracle influance .Spoiler:
So far I have been focused on the expansion and ignored the GS for an Academy, but that will be adressed now. Also learn more techs. Spoiler:
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More trades for deficit research and new techs. Spoiler:
Before the end of BC's got these trade chances for some gold. Spoiler:
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A and L's dad
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PtMaC P2 - Prince
Phase2 set3 cont AD's finally and here is the status of the Empire. Spoiler:
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A and L's dad
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Phase2 Post Mortem Reviewing the above list I was able to achieve all but expanding to 9 cities. It is a number that I have found to be a good gauge of the game. Typically I would have founded a city that would eventually become my GP farm and in the early game help out with expanstion and also I did not chop more than 1 settler and 1 worker during this game. So as a result I did not meet my own expectations. But we have both copper and Horses connected and will found another city to south of Capital and claim Iron. However, the peaceful expansion is over. Phase 3: Wars I am aiming to make this game a true Montisuma Game. So the drums of War will be sounded through out the Empire. Many of the cities has forest left for this very purpose. Once Machinary is learned in 4 to 5 turns, all cities will start on Maces. By then, HRE will have learned Construction. Around turn 30+, I invested all the espionage points toward HRE hoping to steal a tech from him. Now in 4-5 turns we can steal Construction from him. And he will be the first target. I do not want to leave my flanks open to him when I take the army east. Target 1 is HRE and then Hanny followed by Biz and Sulie. I intend to have two stacks of cats and maces mainly go after HRE's capital and the iron city NW of our capital. Then leave him alone(maybe) and move the forces toward Hannibel on the 5th turn of the war. I intend to have both of the target cities by turn 4 of the war. Intend to sacrifice 2-3 cats per city maximum. First GG will be a super healer. Hope i find some time tonight to play.
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