DoC Whole Empire Challenge

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The challenge is simple: recreate a historical empire at its largest territorial coverage. For example the Roman Empire at its largest (Trajan reign), the British Empire before WWII or the USSR before 1990. Timeframe should be more or less within the empire's actual existance.
Post screenshots for proof. A link to the empire's actual map is preferred and strategy overlay is always welcome. Controlling territories via vassals is not allowed. Controlling single island jungle cities is not necessary; especially in the Pacific.

Settings: Normal speed and Monarch difficulty. Modmod: DoC 1.9 or higher.

A useful link:
Atlas_of_colonialism


Achieved historical empires:


The Justinian Empire ~550 (brett0007)

The Abbasid Caliphate 1000 (teriaky)

The French Empire 1935 (Jusos2108)

The British Empire 1937 (Jusos2108)

The Spanish Empire 1712 (teriaky)

The Russian Empire* 1734 (OrcWarrior)

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (The Soviet Empire) 1970 (Jusos2108)

The Kingdom of Italy 1918 (Jokaji)

The Mughal Empire 1470 (Moshe Dayan)




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*Missing Vladivostok
 
I might try and do Russia, sounds fun :goodjob:
 
Isn't this almost the same as an UHV condition in most cases? In case of Japan, Prussia, and America, the expansion UHVs are actually harder than this challenge, IMO.

On the other hand Domination is definitely harder. None of the historical empires are close to Domination except the British. Even Russia cannot win Domination with its historical empire and vassals alone. I guess perhaps you got tired of your Domination thread. :lol:
 
To begin this challenge I'll give you:

The British Empire

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With the total of 48 cities. (2 from America, see below)

Forming the Thirteen colonies:

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I just won Domination Victory on the same year. I didn't take any vassals, so I controlled all the needed territory myself, which proofs that IRL 'civ4' England won a domination victory around 1930s.:D

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London:

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The development of the empire:

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Other pics:

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Strategy:

I took Egypt as soon as possible for the Great Lighthouse and the Great Library. Then went for Jerusalem for the shrine, so that I could run 100% science. After Astronomy, I switched to resettlement and founded cities around the globe, starting with the most competed spots. I took India via the Trading Company and then just slowly expanded while watching my stability. In the end I had 46 cities.
 

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iOnlySignIn said:
Isn't this almost the same as an UHV condition in most cases? In case of Japan, Prussia, and America, the expansion UHVs are actually harder than this challenge, IMO.

On the other hand Domination is definitely harder. None of the historical empires are close to Domination except the British. Even Russia cannot win Domination with its historical empire and vassals alone. I guess perhaps you got tired of your Domination thread. :lol:
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For most cases yes, but the most difficult ones aren't easy to do. For instance France, Spain, USSR and England. Also in domination victories you can rely on vassals, but here they are out of the question; actually taking them might even jeopardize your victory in this challenge.
 
Sorry if I'm a bit nitpicky, but you missed the Falkland Islands. You also should have razed Bangkok so you'd actually have Burma and Malaysia, but ah well. Those are tiny things in the face of your accomplishment.
 
DC123456789 said:
Sorry if I'm a bit nitpicky, but you missed the Falkland Islands. You also should have razed Bangkok so you'd actually have Burma and Malaysia, but ah well. Those are tiny things in the face of your accomplishment.
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Actually I do have Stanley, but I forgot to take a picture -> fixed now. While I loaded the save, I also razed Bangkok for the fun off it. My Brunei fleet had enough able troops to raze it. I also have a save before and after (in 1937), if anyone is interested?
 
I didn't know that Trading Company stays in London till as late as 1930? I thought the corporation begins to disappear after 1800, and the wonder expires with Assembly Line. But if it stays in London/Amsterdam forever, perhaps Cereal/Fishing Industry shouldn't spread there then. Otherwise it gives the Trading Company civs a significant unfair advantage in Modern era over civs like America, Prussia, Russia, and Japan.

35 pop London with no Opera House/National Park is really impressive. Where did you put your Opera House? Bombay? Dublin? As the Dutch I always feel I need to put the Opera House in Jakarta instead of anywhere else. As the English I feel it's a tossup between London and a bunch of places.

Is Plymouth worth it? I've ignored it ever since the English UP took its current form.

Southeast Australia is still poor in food even in the 20th century. I thought the late-spawning Sheep might help it, but apparently not. IRL Sydney has more than twice the population of Paris. Shouldn't we improve the food in Australia a bit to reflect that.
 
iOnlySignIn said:
I didn't know that Trading Company stays in London till as late as 1930? I thought the corporation begins to disappear after 1800, and the wonder expires with Assembly Line. But if it stays in London/Amsterdam forever, perhaps Cereal/Fishing Industry shouldn't spread there then. Otherwise it gives the Trading Company civs a significant unfair advantage in Modern era over civs like America, Prussia, Russia, and Japan.

35 pop London with no Opera House/National Park is really impressive. Where did you put your Opera House? Bombay? Dublin? As the Dutch I always feel I need to put the Opera House in Jakarta instead of anywhere else. As the English I feel it's a tossup between London and a bunch of places.

Is Plymouth worth it? I've ignored it ever since the English UP took its current form.

Southeast Australia is still poor in food even in the 20th century. I thought the late-spawning Sheep might help it, but apparently not. IRL Sydney has more than twice the population of Paris. Shouldn't we improve the food in Australia a bit to reflect that.
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I didn't know either, but for some reason it never disappeared. My Opera House is in Winnipeg, just because of the culture it gives. I find it rather useless tbh; unless I go for Drama early, which I never do. National Park is in St John.

I mainly founded Plymouth for the challenge. It is a good port to launch your navies and it can give some science, if properly whipped, but in the the end of the day it is crap.

I agree about the Australian food, or the lack of it.
 
Nice thread, I've always liked this challenge because it creates pretty looking maps in the end. Looking forward to see more of it.

Not sure what's up with the trading company, should expire after 1800 AD, maybe I made a mistake in implementing the exception for cities with the national wonder in it.

And yeah ... Australia is rather uninteresting at the moment. I don't want to buff it too much because honestly, it hasn't been that valuable until very late into the game, but Sydney should probably be improved.
 
Jusos2108 said:
Actually I do have Stanley, but I forgot to take a picture -> fixed now. While I loaded the save, I also razed Bangkok for the fun off it. My Brunei fleet had enough able troops to raze it. I also have a save before and after (in 1937), if anyone is interested?
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Now it looks like the British Empire. I assumed you didn't have Stanley because I couldn't see it on the minimap.

Edit: Actually, you missed most of the Eastern United States, which is pretty big.
 
DC123456789 said:
Now it looks like the British Empire. I assumed you didn't have Stanley because I couldn't see it on the minimap.

Edit: Actually, you missed most of the Eastern United States, which is pretty big.
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The british didn't have the east coast of the US. at that time. I want someone to do the arabs:D
 
Southeast Australia is still poor in food even in the 20th century. I thought the late-spawning Sheep might help it, but apparently not. IRL Sydney has more than twice the population of Paris. Shouldn't we improve the food in Australia a bit to reflect that.
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Sydney and Paris aren't really comparable though, Paris has huge suburbs. Australia only has twice the population of Paris, actually. There are three times more people in France than in Australia, while Australia is larger.
Maybe an extra seafood won't hurt though.
 
I said I wanted someone to do Arabia. I finally prefered doing it alone. However, I have to admit, this is not DOC 1.9, so I couldn't fight the moors:sad:. Would this count?
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Maghreb, Iberia and just conquered Soutern Italy/Sicily.

Egypt and Arabia, who look great!
Iran, Turkey and southern Pakistan.
 
Jusos2108 said:
For most cases yes, but the most difficult ones aren't easy to do. For instance France, Spain, USSR and England. Also in domination victories you can rely on vassals, but here they are out of the question; actually taking them might even jeopardize your victory in this challenge.
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Is France really that difficult? Since its two colonial empires don't really overlap chronologically, neither seems like it would be a huge challenge, and the rules suggest you only need whichever one is bigger.
 
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