It seems there is sufficient dedication in the community to actually get this done, so I've started this thread to organize our efforts. I will list proposals for a set of ranks for every civ as they are committed, as well as lists of civs that still need one. If there is more than one list, I'll list all of them without comment/preference. We can still work out the final lists later, so if you have a differing opinion on an already proposed list, just go ahead and present your alternative. I'll probably have to do some research for certain civs until I can offer an educated opinion on them anyway.
Some guidelines:
Current lists of ranks (not all comply with the standards as I set them above):
EGYPT:
BABYLONIA: still missing a list.
CHINA:
INDIA (incomplete):
GREECE (incomplete):
CARTHAGE/PHOENICIA: still missing a list.
PERSIA: still missing a list
ROME (incomplete):
TAMILS: still missing a list (can share one with India if necessary).
ETHIOPIA: still missing a list.
KOREA: still missing a list.
MAYA: still missing a list (can share one with the Aztecs if necessary).
BYZANTIUM: still missing a list.
JAPAN: still missing a list.
VIKINGS: still missing a list.
ARABIA: still missing a list.
TIBET: still missing a list.
KHMER (incomplete):
INDONESIA: still missing a list.
MOORS: still missing a list.
SPAIN (incomplete):
FRANCE:
ENGLAND:
HOLY ROME: still missing a list (can share one with Germany if necessary).
RUSSIA:
1.Pyotr the Great
2.Yekaterina the Great
3.Ivan III
4.Rurik
5.Yaroslav' the Wise
6.Mikhail Krushchev
7.Ivan the Terrible
8.Iosif Stalin
9.Aleksandr I
10.Mikhail Gorbachev
11.Nicholas I
12.Vladimir Lenin
13.Boris Yeltsin
14.Leonid Brezhnev
15.Nicholas II
16.Vladimir Zhirinovsky
MALI:
POLAND: still missing a list.
PORTUGAL: still missing a list.
INCA:
ITALY (incomplete):
MONGOLS: still missing a list.
AZTECS (incomplete):
MUGHALS: still missing a list.
TURKEY:
THAILAND: still missing a list.
CONGO: still missing a list.
NETHERLANDS: still missing a list.
GERMANY: still missing a list (can share one with HRE if necessary).
AMERICA:
Civs still requiring a list: Babylonia, Phoenicia, Persia, Tamils*, Ethiopia, Korea, Maya, Byzantium, Japan, Vikings, Arabia, Tibet, Indonesia, Moors, Holy Rome*, Poland, Portugal, Mongols, Mughals, Thailand, Congo, Netherlands, Germany*. Not including incomplete suggestions.
Some guidelines:
- Historical leaders that are also LHs are allowed
- Generally the list should contain historical leaders, i.e. rulers, heads of state, heads of government. If a person is influential enough and had a sufficient impact on his country's history, he can be included even though he wasn't technically the leader of his country. Don't be too liberal with that, though.
- There are 20 ranks in the game, but many suggestions had 16 leaders which imo is a better number. Remember not just to include the best 16 leaders you can think of, and instead create a smooth progression from "golden age" to "failure" or "joke rank" (e.g. Dan Quayle).
- As with leaderheads in the game, sometimes common perception outweighs historical accuracy (i.e. Elizabeth I's record is questionable, but people expect her to be ranked high because of the Elizabethan golden age).
- No people more recent than those directly involved in WW2, exceptions can be made, especially for joke ranks.
- Some civs also kind of represent other cultural groups, so don't be shy and e.g. use Assyrian or Sumerian rulers for Babylonia as well.
- I'll put the names in the game with the usual English version/transliteration of their name, so I'd appreciate if you already submitted them in this way
Current lists of ranks (not all comply with the standards as I set them above):
EGYPT:
Spoiler :
Ramesses II
Thutmose III
Amenhotep III
Hatshepsut
Narmer
Khufu
Djoser
Mentuhotep II
Ramesses III
Ptolemy I
Piye
Twosret
Nefertiti
Tutankhamun
Cleopatra VII
Akhenaten
Thutmose III
Amenhotep III
Hatshepsut
Narmer
Khufu
Djoser
Mentuhotep II
Ramesses III
Ptolemy I
Piye
Twosret
Nefertiti
Tutankhamun
Cleopatra VII
Akhenaten
Spoiler :
Thutmose III
Seti I
Horemheb
Amenhotep III
Hatshepsut
Narmer
Khufu
Djoser
Mentuhotep II
Ramesses III
Ramesses II
Ptolemy I
Piye
Twosret
Cleopatra VII
Akhenaten
Seti I
Horemheb
Amenhotep III
Hatshepsut
Narmer
Khufu
Djoser
Mentuhotep II
Ramesses III
Ramesses II
Ptolemy I
Piye
Twosret
Cleopatra VII
Akhenaten
BABYLONIA: still missing a list.
CHINA:
Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song
Cao Cao
Wu Zetian
Yongle Emperor
Kangxi Emperor
Dr Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Wang Mang
Xiang Yu
Li Zicheng
King Zhou of Shang
Empress Dowager Cixi
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song
Cao Cao
Wu Zetian
Yongle Emperor
Kangxi Emperor
Dr Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Wang Mang
Xiang Yu
Li Zicheng
King Zhou of Shang
Empress Dowager Cixi
Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song
Ming Taizu
Cao Cao
Kangxi Emperor
[-This is probably where I'd place Mao if it came to that-]
Wu Zetian
Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Wanli Emperor
Emperor Qinzong
King Zhou of Shang
Li Zicheng
Empress Dowager Cixi
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song
Ming Taizu
Cao Cao
Kangxi Emperor
[-This is probably where I'd place Mao if it came to that-]
Wu Zetian
Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Wanli Emperor
Emperor Qinzong
King Zhou of Shang
Li Zicheng
Empress Dowager Cixi
Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song
Hongwu Emperor
Cao Cao
Kangxi Emperor/Wu Zetian
Wu Zetian/Kangxi Emperor
Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Emperor Yang of Sui
Xiang Yu
King Zhou of Shang
Li Zicheng
Empress Dowager Cixi
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song
Hongwu Emperor
Cao Cao
Kangxi Emperor/Wu Zetian
Wu Zetian/Kangxi Emperor
Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Emperor Yang of Sui
Xiang Yu
King Zhou of Shang
Li Zicheng
Empress Dowager Cixi
Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Taizong of Tang
Wu of Han
Taizong of Song
Ming Taizu
Kangxi
Yongle
Wu Zetian
Sun Yat-sen
Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong
Wanli
Qinzong
Zhou of Shang
Qin Er Shi
Cixi
Taizong of Tang
Wu of Han
Taizong of Song
Ming Taizu
Kangxi
Yongle
Wu Zetian
Sun Yat-sen
Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong
Wanli
Qinzong
Zhou of Shang
Qin Er Shi
Cixi
INDIA (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Ashoka
Chandragupta Maurya
Chandragupta II
Dharmapala
Pulakesi I
Samudragupta
Lalitaditya Muktapida
Kharavela
Kanishka
Kumaradevi
Mahapadma Nanda
Rudrama Devi
?
?
Brihadratha Maurya
?
Chandragupta Maurya
Chandragupta II
Dharmapala
Pulakesi I
Samudragupta
Lalitaditya Muktapida
Kharavela
Kanishka
Kumaradevi
Mahapadma Nanda
Rudrama Devi
?
?
Brihadratha Maurya
?
GREECE (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Pericles
Alexander
Solon
Philip II of Macedon
Themistocles
Ptolemy
Epaminondas
Seleucos
Demosthenes
Alcibiades
Pyrrhus
Leonidas
Alexander
Solon
Philip II of Macedon
Themistocles
Ptolemy
Epaminondas
Seleucos
Demosthenes
Alcibiades
Pyrrhus
Leonidas
CARTHAGE/PHOENICIA: still missing a list.
PERSIA: still missing a list
ROME (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Gaius Iulius Caesar Octavianus
Flavius Constantinus Valerius
Marcus Ulipius Nerva Traianus
Publius Aelius Traianus Hadrianus
Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus
Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus
Gaius Aurelius Valerius Diocletianus
Flavius Romulus Augustus
Gaius Iulius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
Flavius Constantinus Valerius
Marcus Ulipius Nerva Traianus
Publius Aelius Traianus Hadrianus
Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus
Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus
Gaius Aurelius Valerius Diocletianus
Flavius Romulus Augustus
Gaius Iulius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
TAMILS: still missing a list (can share one with India if necessary).
ETHIOPIA: still missing a list.
KOREA: still missing a list.
MAYA: still missing a list (can share one with the Aztecs if necessary).
BYZANTIUM: still missing a list.
JAPAN: still missing a list.
VIKINGS: still missing a list.
ARABIA: still missing a list.
TIBET: still missing a list.
KHMER (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Suryavarman II
Jayavarman VII
Jayavarman II
Indravarman I
Jayavarman IV
Yasovarman I
Jayavarman V
Rajendravarman II
Suryavarman I
Udayaditayavarman II
Ponhea Yat
Jayavarman VII
Jayavarman II
Indravarman I
Jayavarman IV
Yasovarman I
Jayavarman V
Rajendravarman II
Suryavarman I
Udayaditayavarman II
Ponhea Yat
INDONESIA: still missing a list.
MOORS: still missing a list.
SPAIN (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Alfonso X
Philip II
Don Pelayo
Carlos III
Juan Carlos I
El Cid
Isabella I
Francisco Franco
Miguel Primo de Rivera
Carlos II
Philip II
Don Pelayo
Carlos III
Juan Carlos I
El Cid
Isabella I
Francisco Franco
Miguel Primo de Rivera
Carlos II
FRANCE:
Spoiler :
Charlemagne
Louis XIV
François Ier
Charles De Gaulle
Philippe le Bel
Henri IV
Charles VII
Saint-Louis
Pepin le Bref
Jean Jaures
Hughes Capet
Phillip 1er
Louis XV
Charles VIII
Jean-Pierre Raffarin
Napoleon III
Edouard Daladier
Louis V le Fénéant
Charles VI le Fol
Louis XVI
Louis XIV
François Ier
Charles De Gaulle
Philippe le Bel
Henri IV
Charles VII
Saint-Louis
Pepin le Bref
Jean Jaures
Hughes Capet
Phillip 1er
Louis XV
Charles VIII
Jean-Pierre Raffarin
Napoleon III
Edouard Daladier
Louis V le Fénéant
Charles VI le Fol
Louis XVI
ENGLAND:
Spoiler :
Winston Churchill
Queen Elizabeth I
Henry II
Queen Victoria
Henry VIII
Alfred the Great
Tony Blair
Edward I
James Callaghan
John Major
Arthur Balfour
Bloody Mary
Anthony Eden
Edward II
Richard III
Queen Elizabeth I
Henry II
Queen Victoria
Henry VIII
Alfred the Great
Tony Blair
Edward I
James Callaghan
John Major
Arthur Balfour
Bloody Mary
Anthony Eden
Edward II
Richard III
HOLY ROME: still missing a list (can share one with Germany if necessary).
RUSSIA:
Spoiler :
1.Pyotr the Great
2.Yekaterina the Great
3.Ivan III
4.Rurik
5.Yaroslav' the Wise
6.Mikhail Krushchev
7.Ivan the Terrible
8.Iosif Stalin
9.Aleksandr I
10.Mikhail Gorbachev
11.Nicholas I
12.Vladimir Lenin
13.Boris Yeltsin
14.Leonid Brezhnev
15.Nicholas II
16.Vladimir Zhirinovsky
MALI:
Spoiler :
Sonni Ali
Mansa Musa I
Askia Muhammad
Mari Djata
Ko Mamadi
Askia Daoud
Sunni Sulayman
Mansa Ouali I
Mansa Abubakari II
Mansa Suleyman
Sunni Baru
Askia Ishaq
Mansa Mahud III
Mari Djata II
Mansa Ouati
Mansa Khalifa
Mansa Musa I
Askia Muhammad
Mari Djata
Ko Mamadi
Askia Daoud
Sunni Sulayman
Mansa Ouali I
Mansa Abubakari II
Mansa Suleyman
Sunni Baru
Askia Ishaq
Mansa Mahud III
Mari Djata II
Mansa Ouati
Mansa Khalifa
POLAND: still missing a list.
PORTUGAL: still missing a list.
INCA:
Spoiler :
Pachacuti (first true Sapa Inca, expanded the Kingdom of Cuzco and established the Inca Empire)
Tupac Inca Yupanqui (I know it's a bit long, but the dude allegedly make an expedition to the Polynesia XD)
Huayna Capac (he was the one that extended the Incas to their maximun extension before dying)
Francisco de Toledo (Pretty much singlehandedly organized the Viceroyalty of Peru)
Ramon Castilla (Began expanding Peruvian influence thanks to the Guano boom, ended slavery in Peru)
Manuel de Amat y Junient (Did several monuments in the capital of the Viceroyalty, as is regarded as a kind of good leader)
Augusto B. Leguia (Expanded Peruvian infrastructure so well and so extensively that we're still using all of it)
Nicolas de Pierola (Was a lousy military commander during the War of the Pacific, but was behind Peruvian recovery after the war)
Andrés Avelino Cáceres (Great general, not so great administrator; sold/handed over most of national assets in order to pay national debt after the War of the Pacific)
Juan Velasco Alvarado (Tried to make a military junta regime with economic measures that make undergrads cry, and whose effects are still argued nowadays. Still, he impulsed sorely needed social reforms. And yes, I know he's fairly recent; but he was fairly important, and is up to this day)
Jose Balta (Did several infrastructure work on the Republic, such as railways and public illumination systems at the cost of selling dirt cheap most of the guano available. said measures would end up almost bankrupting the country)
Manuel Pardo y Lavalle (Severely weakened the Peruvian Armed Forces when an upcoming conflict with Chile was evident, signed a Mutual Defensive Treaty with Bolivia which would eventually drag us into a war with Chile even if he knew that Bolivia was militarily insignificant)
Luis José de Orbegoso (Backed an ill fated attempt to create a Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation, split Peru into two states; was defeated and Peru was reunited)
Agustín Gamarra (Wanted to create a Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation, but since Orbegoso got there first; he did his utmost in order to destroy it; up to the point to allying himself the the Chileans and separatist army. Then, when it was dissolved, tried to invade Bolivia to re-do the Confederation, got killed in battle for his troubles.)
Atahualpa (well, the Inca empire crumbled because of him so...yeah...)
Tupac Inca Yupanqui (I know it's a bit long, but the dude allegedly make an expedition to the Polynesia XD)
Huayna Capac (he was the one that extended the Incas to their maximun extension before dying)
Francisco de Toledo (Pretty much singlehandedly organized the Viceroyalty of Peru)
Ramon Castilla (Began expanding Peruvian influence thanks to the Guano boom, ended slavery in Peru)
Manuel de Amat y Junient (Did several monuments in the capital of the Viceroyalty, as is regarded as a kind of good leader)
Augusto B. Leguia (Expanded Peruvian infrastructure so well and so extensively that we're still using all of it)
Nicolas de Pierola (Was a lousy military commander during the War of the Pacific, but was behind Peruvian recovery after the war)
Andrés Avelino Cáceres (Great general, not so great administrator; sold/handed over most of national assets in order to pay national debt after the War of the Pacific)
Juan Velasco Alvarado (Tried to make a military junta regime with economic measures that make undergrads cry, and whose effects are still argued nowadays. Still, he impulsed sorely needed social reforms. And yes, I know he's fairly recent; but he was fairly important, and is up to this day)
Jose Balta (Did several infrastructure work on the Republic, such as railways and public illumination systems at the cost of selling dirt cheap most of the guano available. said measures would end up almost bankrupting the country)
Manuel Pardo y Lavalle (Severely weakened the Peruvian Armed Forces when an upcoming conflict with Chile was evident, signed a Mutual Defensive Treaty with Bolivia which would eventually drag us into a war with Chile even if he knew that Bolivia was militarily insignificant)
Luis José de Orbegoso (Backed an ill fated attempt to create a Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation, split Peru into two states; was defeated and Peru was reunited)
Agustín Gamarra (Wanted to create a Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation, but since Orbegoso got there first; he did his utmost in order to destroy it; up to the point to allying himself the the Chileans and separatist army. Then, when it was dissolved, tried to invade Bolivia to re-do the Confederation, got killed in battle for his troubles.)
Atahualpa (well, the Inca empire crumbled because of him so...yeah...)
ITALY (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Lorenzo the Magnificent
Giuseppe Garibaldi
Camillo Benso count of Cavour
Enrico Dandolo
Vittorio Emanuele II
Alcide De Gasperi
Gian Galeazzo Visconti
Simone Boccanegra
Cesare Borgia
Berengar of Friuli
Crispi Francesco
(Benito Mussolini?)
Francesco II
Umberto II (King for a month, or the so called "King of May")
Giuseppe Garibaldi
Camillo Benso count of Cavour
Enrico Dandolo
Vittorio Emanuele II
Alcide De Gasperi
Gian Galeazzo Visconti
Simone Boccanegra
Cesare Borgia
Berengar of Friuli
Crispi Francesco
(Benito Mussolini?)
Francesco II
Umberto II (King for a month, or the so called "King of May")
MONGOLS: still missing a list.
AZTECS (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Moctezuma Xocoyotzin
Ahuizotl
Moctezuma Ilhuicamina
Itzcoatl
Axayacatl
Cuauhtémoc
Tizoc
Cuitláhuac
Panitzin
Juan Velázquez Tlacotzin
Ahuizotl
Moctezuma Ilhuicamina
Itzcoatl
Axayacatl
Cuauhtémoc
Tizoc
Cuitláhuac
Panitzin
Juan Velázquez Tlacotzin
MUGHALS: still missing a list.
TURKEY:
Spoiler :
Suleiman the Magnificent
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Mehmed II the Conqueror
Selim I
Osman I Ghazi
Murad IV Ghazi
Köprülü Mehmed Pasha
Ahmed III
Sokollu Mehmed Pasha
Mustafa III
Mahmud II
Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha
Selim III
Bayezid I
Abdul Hamid II
Enver Pasha
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Mehmed II the Conqueror
Selim I
Osman I Ghazi
Murad IV Ghazi
Köprülü Mehmed Pasha
Ahmed III
Sokollu Mehmed Pasha
Mustafa III
Mahmud II
Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha
Selim III
Bayezid I
Abdul Hamid II
Enver Pasha
THAILAND: still missing a list.
CONGO: still missing a list.
NETHERLANDS: still missing a list.
GERMANY: still missing a list (can share one with HRE if necessary).
AMERICA:
Spoiler :
George Washington
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Theodore Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter
John Tyler
William Henry Harrison
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Warren G. Harding
Dan Quayle
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Theodore Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter
John Tyler
William Henry Harrison
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Warren G. Harding
Dan Quayle
Civs still requiring a list: Babylonia, Phoenicia, Persia, Tamils*, Ethiopia, Korea, Maya, Byzantium, Japan, Vikings, Arabia, Tibet, Indonesia, Moors, Holy Rome*, Poland, Portugal, Mongols, Mughals, Thailand, Congo, Netherlands, Germany*. Not including incomplete suggestions.