Civ-specific ranks collection thread

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It seems there is sufficient dedication in the community to actually get this done, so I've started this thread to organize our efforts. I will list proposals for a set of ranks for every civ as they are committed, as well as lists of civs that still need one. If there is more than one list, I'll list all of them without comment/preference. We can still work out the final lists later, so if you have a differing opinion on an already proposed list, just go ahead and present your alternative. I'll probably have to do some research for certain civs until I can offer an educated opinion on them anyway.

Some guidelines:
  • Historical leaders that are also LHs are allowed
  • Generally the list should contain historical leaders, i.e. rulers, heads of state, heads of government. If a person is influential enough and had a sufficient impact on his country's history, he can be included even though he wasn't technically the leader of his country. Don't be too liberal with that, though.
  • There are 20 ranks in the game, but many suggestions had 16 leaders which imo is a better number. Remember not just to include the best 16 leaders you can think of, and instead create a smooth progression from "golden age" to "failure" or "joke rank" (e.g. Dan Quayle).
  • As with leaderheads in the game, sometimes common perception outweighs historical accuracy (i.e. Elizabeth I's record is questionable, but people expect her to be ranked high because of the Elizabethan golden age).
  • No people more recent than those directly involved in WW2, exceptions can be made, especially for joke ranks.
  • Some civs also kind of represent other cultural groups, so don't be shy and e.g. use Assyrian or Sumerian rulers for Babylonia as well.
  • I'll put the names in the game with the usual English version/transliteration of their name, so I'd appreciate if you already submitted them in this way

Current lists of ranks (not all comply with the standards as I set them above):

EGYPT:
Spoiler :
Ramesses II
Thutmose III
Amenhotep III
Hatshepsut

Narmer
Khufu
Djoser
Mentuhotep II

Ramesses III
Ptolemy I
Piye
Twosret

Nefertiti
Tutankhamun
Cleopatra VII
Akhenaten

Spoiler :
Thutmose III
Seti I
Horemheb
Amenhotep III

Hatshepsut
Narmer
Khufu
Djoser

Mentuhotep II
Ramesses III
Ramesses II
Ptolemy I

Piye
Twosret
Cleopatra VII
Akhenaten


BABYLONIA: still missing a list.

CHINA:
Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song

Cao Cao
Wu Zetian
Yongle Emperor
Kangxi Emperor

Dr Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Wang Mang

Xiang Yu
Li Zicheng
King Zhou of Shang
Empress Dowager Cixi

Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song

Ming Taizu
Cao Cao
Kangxi Emperor
[-This is probably where I'd place Mao if it came to that-]
Wu Zetian

Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Wanli Emperor

Emperor Qinzong
King Zhou of Shang
Li Zicheng
Empress Dowager Cixi

Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Emperor Taizong of Tang
Emperor Wu of Han
Emperor Taizong of Song

Hongwu Emperor
Cao Cao
Kangxi Emperor/Wu Zetian
Wu Zetian/Kangxi Emperor

Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Emperor Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong Emperor
Emperor Yang of Sui

Xiang Yu
King Zhou of Shang
Li Zicheng
Empress Dowager Cixi

Spoiler :
Qin Shi Huang
Taizong of Tang
Wu of Han
Taizong of Song

Ming Taizu
Kangxi
Yongle
Wu Zetian

Sun Yat-sen
Xuanzong of Tang
Qianlong
Wanli

Qinzong
Zhou of Shang
Qin Er Shi
Cixi


INDIA (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Ashoka
Chandragupta Maurya
Chandragupta II
Dharmapala

Pulakesi I
Samudragupta
Lalitaditya Muktapida
Kharavela

Kanishka
Kumaradevi
Mahapadma Nanda
Rudrama Devi

?
?
Brihadratha Maurya
?


GREECE (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Pericles
Alexander
Solon
Philip II of Macedon
Themistocles
Ptolemy
Epaminondas
Seleucos
Demosthenes
Alcibiades
Pyrrhus
Leonidas


CARTHAGE/PHOENICIA: still missing a list.

PERSIA: still missing a list

ROME (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Gaius Iulius Caesar Octavianus
Flavius Constantinus Valerius
Marcus Ulipius Nerva Traianus
Publius Aelius Traianus Hadrianus
Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus
Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus
Gaius Aurelius Valerius Diocletianus
Flavius Romulus Augustus
Gaius Iulius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus


TAMILS: still missing a list (can share one with India if necessary).

ETHIOPIA: still missing a list.

KOREA: still missing a list.

MAYA: still missing a list (can share one with the Aztecs if necessary).

BYZANTIUM: still missing a list.

JAPAN: still missing a list.

VIKINGS: still missing a list.

ARABIA: still missing a list.

TIBET: still missing a list.

KHMER (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Suryavarman II
Jayavarman VII
Jayavarman II
Indravarman I
Jayavarman IV
Yasovarman I
Jayavarman V
Rajendravarman II
Suryavarman I
Udayaditayavarman II
Ponhea Yat


INDONESIA: still missing a list.

MOORS: still missing a list.

SPAIN (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Alfonso X
Philip II
Don Pelayo
Carlos III
Juan Carlos I
El Cid
Isabella I
Francisco Franco
Miguel Primo de Rivera
Carlos II


FRANCE:
Spoiler :
Charlemagne
Louis XIV
François Ier
Charles De Gaulle

Philippe le Bel
Henri IV
Charles VII
Saint-Louis

Pepin le Bref
Jean Jaures
Hughes Capet
Phillip 1er

Louis XV
Charles VIII
Jean-Pierre Raffarin
Napoleon III

Edouard Daladier
Louis V le Fénéant
Charles VI le Fol
Louis XVI


ENGLAND:
Spoiler :
Winston Churchill
Queen Elizabeth I
Henry II
Queen Victoria
Henry VIII
Alfred the Great
Tony Blair
Edward I
James Callaghan
John Major
Arthur Balfour
Bloody Mary
Anthony Eden
Edward II
Richard III


HOLY ROME: still missing a list (can share one with Germany if necessary).

RUSSIA:
Spoiler :

1.Pyotr the Great
2.Yekaterina the Great
3.Ivan III
4.Rurik
5.Yaroslav' the Wise
6.Mikhail Krushchev
7.Ivan the Terrible
8.Iosif Stalin
9.Aleksandr I
10.Mikhail Gorbachev
11.Nicholas I
12.Vladimir Lenin
13.Boris Yeltsin
14.Leonid Brezhnev
15.Nicholas II
16.Vladimir Zhirinovsky


MALI:
Spoiler :
Sonni Ali

Mansa Musa I
Askia Muhammad
Mari Djata
Ko Mamadi
Askia Daoud

Sunni Sulayman
Mansa Ouali I
Mansa Abubakari II
Mansa Suleyman

Sunni Baru
Askia Ishaq

Mansa Mahud III
Mari Djata II
Mansa Ouati
Mansa Khalifa


POLAND: still missing a list.

PORTUGAL: still missing a list.

INCA:
Spoiler :
Pachacuti (first true Sapa Inca, expanded the Kingdom of Cuzco and established the Inca Empire)
Tupac Inca Yupanqui (I know it's a bit long, but the dude allegedly make an expedition to the Polynesia XD)
Huayna Capac (he was the one that extended the Incas to their maximun extension before dying)
Francisco de Toledo (Pretty much singlehandedly organized the Viceroyalty of Peru)
Ramon Castilla (Began expanding Peruvian influence thanks to the Guano boom, ended slavery in Peru)
Manuel de Amat y Junient (Did several monuments in the capital of the Viceroyalty, as is regarded as a kind of good leader)
Augusto B. Leguia (Expanded Peruvian infrastructure so well and so extensively that we're still using all of it)
Nicolas de Pierola (Was a lousy military commander during the War of the Pacific, but was behind Peruvian recovery after the war)
Andrés Avelino Cáceres (Great general, not so great administrator; sold/handed over most of national assets in order to pay national debt after the War of the Pacific)
Juan Velasco Alvarado (Tried to make a military junta regime with economic measures that make undergrads cry, and whose effects are still argued nowadays. Still, he impulsed sorely needed social reforms. And yes, I know he's fairly recent; but he was fairly important, and is up to this day)
Jose Balta (Did several infrastructure work on the Republic, such as railways and public illumination systems at the cost of selling dirt cheap most of the guano available. said measures would end up almost bankrupting the country)
Manuel Pardo y Lavalle (Severely weakened the Peruvian Armed Forces when an upcoming conflict with Chile was evident, signed a Mutual Defensive Treaty with Bolivia which would eventually drag us into a war with Chile even if he knew that Bolivia was militarily insignificant)
Luis José de Orbegoso (Backed an ill fated attempt to create a Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation, split Peru into two states; was defeated and Peru was reunited)
Agustín Gamarra (Wanted to create a Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation, but since Orbegoso got there first; he did his utmost in order to destroy it; up to the point to allying himself the the Chileans and separatist army. Then, when it was dissolved, tried to invade Bolivia to re-do the Confederation, got killed in battle for his troubles.)
Atahualpa (well, the Inca empire crumbled because of him so...yeah...)


ITALY (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Lorenzo the Magnificent
Giuseppe Garibaldi
Camillo Benso count of Cavour
Enrico Dandolo
Vittorio Emanuele II
Alcide De Gasperi
Gian Galeazzo Visconti
Simone Boccanegra
Cesare Borgia
Berengar of Friuli
Crispi Francesco
(Benito Mussolini?)
Francesco II
Umberto II (King for a month, or the so called "King of May")


MONGOLS: still missing a list.

AZTECS (incomplete):
Spoiler :
Moctezuma Xocoyotzin
Ahuizotl
Moctezuma Ilhuicamina
Itzcoatl
Axayacatl

Cuauhtémoc
Tizoc
Cuitláhuac

Panitzin
Juan Velázquez Tlacotzin


MUGHALS: still missing a list.

TURKEY:
Spoiler :
Suleiman the Magnificent
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Mehmed II the Conqueror
Selim I

Osman I Ghazi
Murad IV Ghazi
Köprülü Mehmed Pasha
Ahmed III

Sokollu Mehmed Pasha
Mustafa III
Mahmud II
Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha

Selim III
Bayezid I
Abdul Hamid II
Enver Pasha


THAILAND: still missing a list.

CONGO: still missing a list.

NETHERLANDS: still missing a list.

GERMANY: still missing a list (can share one with HRE if necessary).

AMERICA:
Spoiler :
George Washington
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Theodore Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter
John Tyler
William Henry Harrison
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Warren G. Harding
Dan Quayle


Civs still requiring a list: Babylonia, Phoenicia, Persia, Tamils*, Ethiopia, Korea, Maya, Byzantium, Japan, Vikings, Arabia, Tibet, Indonesia, Moors, Holy Rome*, Poland, Portugal, Mongols, Mughals, Thailand, Congo, Netherlands, Germany*. Not including incomplete suggestions.
 
Reserved.
 
My contribution for:


COREA:

Taejo of Goryeo (Wang Kon)
Taejong
Sejong the Great
Yi Seong-gye

Queen Seondeok
King Jeongjo
King Goi
Empress Myeongseong

Taejo of Goguryeo
Go of Balhae
Kim Il-Sung
Yi Seungman

Yeon Gaesomun
King U
King Injo
Seonjo of Joseon


Posted for peer-review.
 
Suggestions about:

ROME

I think that some great people who lived and ruled Rome before Roman Empire should be added, so I propose this list:

1) Gaius Iulius Caesar Octavianus
2) Marcus Ulipius Nerva Traianus
3) Gaius Iulius Caesar
4) Flavius Constantinus Valerius

5) Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
6) Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus
7) Publius Aelius Traianus Hadrianus
8) Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus

9) Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis
10) Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus
11) Gaius Marius
12) Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus

13) Lucius Sergius Catilina
14) Lucius Tarquinius Superbus (legendary; in alternative, Caligula)
15) Flavius Romulus Augustus
16) Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus


ITALY

I think that it should not include leaders who lived before the Italian spawn date, so Berengar of Friuli should be removed. I also think that Giuseppe Garibaldi, now Great General in the game, shouldn't be included because he never ruled anything. This is my list:

1) Lorenzo the Magnificent
2) Camillo Benso count of Cavour (more important than Garibaldi)
3) Gian Galeazzo Visconti
4) Enrico Dandolo

5) Vittorio Emanuele II
6) Alcide De Gasperi
7) Simone Boccanegra
8) Carlo Alberto of Savoy

9) Cesare Borgia
10) Cola di Rienzo
11) Giovanni Giolitti
12) Ludovico il Moro

13) Francesco Crispi
14) Benito Mussolini
15) Francesco II
16) Umberto II (or, in alternative, Silvio Berlusconi :D )
 
My contribution for the Moors:

Almanzor
Abd ar-Rahman III
Yaqub al-Mansur
Al Hakam II

Ahmad I al_Mansur
Abd ar-Rahman I
Abu Yusuf Yaqub
Abdallah ibn Yasin

Yusuf ibn Tashfin
Idris I
Bologhine ibn Ziri
Mansur ibn Nasir

Hisham III
Muhammad al-Nasir
Hisham II al-Hakam
Muhammad XII Boabdil
 
silvio-berlusconi11.jpg

Berlusconi is amused :goodjob:
 
ROME

I think that some great people who lived and ruled Rome before Roman Empire should be added, so I propose this list:

1) Gaius Iulius Caesar Octavianus
2) Marcus Ulipius Nerva Traianus
3) Gaius Iulius Caesar
4) Flavius Constantinus Valerius

5) Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
6) Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus
7) Publius Aelius Traianus Hadrianus
8) Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus

9) Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis
10) Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus
11) Gaius Marius
12) Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus

13) Lucius Sergius Catilina
14) Lucius Tarquinius Superbus (legendary; in alternative, Caligula)
15) Flavius Romulus Augustus
16) Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
I love this list! Personally I find the history of the Roman Republic much more fascinating than that of the Roman Empire.

Although I would swap the 2nd and 3rd place. And I would like to see Sulla on the list instead of Cataline or the younger Cato. After all, Sulla held much more power and had much greater impact than both of those two combined.
 
I love this list! Personally I find the history of the Roman Republic much more fascinating than that of the Roman Empire.

Although I would swap the 2nd and 3rd place. And I would like to see Sulla on the list instead of Cataline or the younger Cato. After all, Sulla held much more power and had much greater impact than both of those two combined.

Honestly, I've been thinking about your changes. I really love Iulius Caesar, so he could be the 2nd. Sulla could be added between 11th and 14th place.
 
sorry I tought that the list only needed 10 leaders for some reason...I'll update the greek one as soon as possible!

borhap's italian list is good, still I wouldn't put Gian Galeazzo Visconti in the third place...he created the duchy of Milan, but his reign wasn't so brilliant.
 
I wouldn't put Gian Galeazzo Visconti in the third place...he created the duchy of Milan, but his reign wasn't so brilliant.

I put him so high because he held the biggest united territory of Middle Ages in Italy and he was a great patron of arts.
 
Gian Galeazzo is usually underrated in my opinion. Had he lived a little longer he might have even accomplished more.

I love this list! Personally I find the history of the Roman Republic much more fascinating than that of the Roman Empire.
I agree, even though I will use the names people are familiar with instead of the whole praenomen/nomen/cognomen thing.
 
Honestly, I've been thinking about your changes. I really love Iulius Caesar, so he could be the 2nd. Sulla could be added between 11th and 14th place.
Oh I'm a huge fan of Julius Caesar too. I think he would have achieved much more if not for his assassination. Had he lived to die of old age, Rome would have had one less civil war and probably lasted a millenium longer.

I would rank Sulla ahead of Marius and Pompey, because he's not only a better general (he defeated Marius and was undefeated himself, and his skills clearly exceed those of Pompey) but also an outstanding statesman (whereas Marius and Pompey are clueless in this regard). In fact I would rank Sulla at No.8, right after Hadrian.
 
Greece:

Pericles
Alexander
Solon
Philip II of Macedon
Themistocles
Ptolemy
Cleisthenes
Epaminondas
Seleucos
Cimon
Demosthenes
Antigonus
Alcibiades
Attalus III
Pyrrhus
Leonidas
 
Khmer:

Suryavarman II
Jayavarman VII
Jayavarman II
Jayavarman V

Indravarman I
Jayavarman IV
Yasovarman I
Rajendravarman II

Udayaditayavarman II
Yasovarman II
Jayavarman I
Suryavarman I

Harshavarman III
Jayavarman VIII
Ponhea Yat
The Leper King (AKA Indravarman II, if you really want another varman...)
 
Here is my revised list for the moors. i would like to thank Lennon for some ideas.
Almanzor
Abd ar-Rahman III
Yaqub al-Mansur
Ahmad al-Mansur

Abu Zakariya
Al Hakam II
Youssef Ibn Tachfin
Abu Yusuf Yaqub

Abd el-Kader
Bologhine ibn Ziri
Mansur ibn Nasir
Muhammad al-Nasir

Hisham II al-Hakam
Al-Mu'izz ibn Badis
Hisham III
Muhammad XII Boabdil
 
BYZANTIUM: Greek names first (Latin names, if applicable, in parentheses)

1. Constantine I the Great (Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus)
2. Heraklios (Flavius Heraclius Augustus)
3. Justinian I (Flavius Petrus Sabbatius Iustinianus Augustus)
4. Basil II

5. Alexios I Komnenos (Alexius I Comnenus)
6. Nikephoros II Phokas (Nicephorus II Phocas)
7. John I Tzimiskes
8. Manuel I Komnenos (Manuel I Comnenus)

9. Constantine VIII
10. Nikephoros I (Nicephorus I)
11. Justinian II
12. Romanus IV Diogenes

13. Alexios III Angelos (Alexius III Angelus)
14. Andronikos I Komnenos (Andronicus I Comnenus)
15. Michael VII Doukos (Michael VII Ducas)
16. Alexios IV Angelos (Alexius IV Angelus)
 
Instead of Nero's Horse it should be Caligula's Horse, or better yet, Incitatus.
 
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