Immortal Challenge #1 - The Iroquois on Pangaea

Unresolved · Mar 28, 2013

So there's been some discussion lately about starting lower level challenge series similar to the Deity Challenge Series. I don't know how popular this will be, but here's an Easter-themed game. What does Hiawatha have to do with Easter? Well...the AI Hiawatha expands like bunnies breed...or something. I don't think this map is hard enough for a challenging Immortal game, but I guess we will see. I didn't want to make the first game some weird, awful map with cooked civs and stuff.

The settings are Pangaea, standard speed/size/resources, G&K enabled(but no DLC).

Unique Ability - The Great Warpath Forests and Jungles function as roads for unit movement and trade routes within friendly territory.
Unique Unit - Mohawk Warrior - Replaces swordsman, +33% bonus in forests or jungles, requires no iron.
Unique Building - Longhouse - Replaces workshop, -20 production cost, gives +1 production on worked forest tiles.

Andra Bullar · Mar 28, 2013

Interesting, will probably give this one a shot! Deity is a little too tough for me :think:

Will probably move the warrior to the copper and then see if I'll settle in place or move south.

sufficiency · Mar 28, 2013

I'll give it a shot. I admit, I actually haven't gotten the Iroquois-win achievements yet.

Unresolved · Mar 28, 2013

I'll post a progress report later when the map isn't as new, but I managed to get a fast religion in this game. By turn 100, I had 8 cities under my religion and I had no happiness problems

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sufficiency said:
I'll give it a shot. I admit, I actually haven't gotten the Iroquois-win achievements yet.

Neither have I, that's why I picked them. I don't think many people play them either.

dpunk · Mar 28, 2013

Hi I'm new to the forums and had a newbie question. Was wondering when I came across a proper pic next.

On the upper right of the screen there is a box with 8 player names, in the OP's pic 7 of them say "unmet player". How can I view that box in my games?

Matthew. · Mar 28, 2013

I've been meaning to play an Iroquois game, so perhaps I will try this map. They can be a lot of fun with the right start. Cruising around those forest tiles almost feels like cheating

Tabarnak · Mar 28, 2013

dpunk said:
On the upper right of the screen there is a box with 8 player names, in the OP's pic 7 of them say "unmet player". How can I view that box in my games?

Menu options. I don't remember where exactly but it's easy to find it(interface?)

Maxym · Mar 28, 2013

I thought it was at the bottom where hex grid and strat view was, but I can be wrong. It was a revelation to me to see that box too when I started back in Gotm 7. Hope you find it.

I might give this one a go too, when I finish DC10, it's going well so hopefully soon.

Dunkhan · Mar 28, 2013

Tabarnak said:
Menu options. I don't remember where exactly but it's easy to find it(interface?)

That is correct, it is under interface options and is called "Single Player Score List".

I recently joined the forums for these type of challenges and GOTM. Hopefully I will be able to improve my game by playing them.

budweiser · Mar 29, 2013

I've been pretty bored with civ lately. I started this one and settled on the copper, a rare move for me. Then I

Spoiler :

Fire0rb · Mar 29, 2013

Hiho
thanks for the challenge, that way i don't need to decide which civ i play

Finished Turn 270 with Diplomatic Victory because i was to lazy to do the domination.

Spoiler :

Unresolved · Mar 29, 2013

Nice game Fire0rb. I didn't think it was a hard game, but I wasn't sure how to judge it without playing through beforehand. I played around 100 turns before making this thread and judged that the starting terrain was bad enough to make it harder than normal. And I checked that there was at least a couple threatening AI's in the game.

Unresolved · Mar 29, 2013

Update at turn 136:

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Lord Yanaek · Mar 30, 2013

Nice move. Immortal will still be challenging for many players (including myself, as i'm never sure i will actually win when i start an immortal game, but unlike deity i'm not sure i will loose either

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Hiawatha will be another challenge. Never managed to get far with him. At least there are forests on this map.

sufficiency · Mar 30, 2013

I finished playing. It was pretty easy for an Immortal game due to some natural wonder placements (which I weren't able to take advantage of). If you are testing the water on higher difficulties, you should try this map.

A small LP:

http://imgur.com/a/l8vu8

InDubioProReo · Mar 30, 2013

Gonna check this one, I don't have the Hiawatha achievement neither.

Unresolved · Mar 30, 2013

@Sufficiency - Odd, I thought it was a harder than normal Immortal game. For domination at least. Reasons in spoiler tags:

Spoiler :

sufficiency · Mar 30, 2013

Unresolved said:
@Sufficiency - Odd, I thought it was a harder than normal Immortal game. For domination at least. Reasons in spoiler tags:

Spoiler :

Turn 275 domination finish. Really rough game in some aspects because there was only 4 oil(compared to 32 coal >.>) in the 8 cities or so I had at that point. So I had to bankrupt myself to ally some city-states that had a bit of oil. Somehow, The Mayans finished the Oracle at turn 71 which I've never seen happen on Immortal. Then Germany built the Great Wall which made him a gigantic pain to take out. I waited until planes to take out everyone, but Germany was outteching me by 2% because I never went for Plastics. His Panzers were a big deterrent and it took me a long time to get to Berlin. So 275 Domination victory is my worst mark so far, but my research was nothing special, so a Science victory seemed sub-optimal.

But Uluru made the game a whole lot easier. My religion spread really fast and it was dominating my half of the map with 4x cities in it. The immediate neighbors were pretty easy to defend against(with Siam/Mayans wonder-spamming). If I had to play the map again, I'd definitely go for a Science or diplomatic victory. Domination just wasn't fun at some points in the map.

As for using the Iroquois, I did not like them at all. My cities didn't grow like they normally do because I couldn't spam farms on every tile. Their free roads were kind of annoying since going from forest->road->forest seemed to take more movement points than normal. And his UU comes too early and in the wrong part of the tree for me.

The thing is, I didn't even bother to try domination because the continent is simply way too snakey. I would rather cut myself than moving my troops across the terrain.

However, I don't think domination is hard - I think it would probably just be really, REALLY annoying.

As far as population is concerned, I had similar problems. But since I was so ahead in tech with Messenger to the Gods, I sent most of my spies to maritime CS and I had two of them allied to me for a good portion of the game.

Mohawks are amazing :lol:

if you can get Drill I on them and make them defend in a forest tile it's basically invincible.

EDIT: oh, in my game Germany didn't build the Great Wall. I can imagine how that would have made things a LOT more difficult. If I were in that situation I probably would have gone after the Mayans. The Mayans also had a really quick (turn 79 I think?) Oracle in my game.

Unresolved · Mar 30, 2013

As soon as I saw that Germany got the GW, I decided to take them out with bombers. But thanks to their fast tech rate, their panzers gave me headaches, even with WWII bombers.

I was considering going for MoTG because I've never done it before, but I knew my second city would be in the desert. I'm not sure if that was a good idea or not, but it got me a religion faster I guess.

sufficiency · Mar 30, 2013

Unresolved said:
As soon as I saw that Germany got the GW, I decided to take them out with bombers. But thanks to their fast tech rate, their panzers gave me headaches, even with WWII bombers.

I was considering going for MoTG because I've never done it before, but I knew my second city would be in the desert. I'm not sure if that was a good idea or not, but it got me a religion faster I guess.

I think that was the problem. With Sinai I was guaranteed a religion no matter how I played it, so Messenger to the Gods seemed like the ideal choice.

Originally I planned to build shrines in all my cities and just brute force a religion that way (because I knew my neighbours Sweden, Siam, and Germany are not big fans of religions; Pacal was, but he was pretty far away from me so I didn't care). Then I saw Sinai and I just facepalmed.

In my game, the most difficult part was to take Munich (Cologne in your game).

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