Immortal University 96 - Wang Kon

Greetings, Immortals and would-be Immortals (and indeed any other players of any level), and welcome to the Immortal University.

Here is our Leader:



Here's the opening scene:



The following settings were used to create this map



And the Demographics for people to spot any info they can



Before we start, here's the copy & paste bit where I get to pretend that I'm TMIT:

To play, just extract the WB save file into your worldbuilder saves directory, then play it. Use custom scenario if you want some extra settings to tickle your fancy. This series was designed for people learning immortal, so most people here will be at that level or trying to attain it, although deity players are welcome also. Hell, if you want to play this on NOBLE. The intention of this and any other game thread I post is to get better. Play whatever level you need in order to improve.

If you are aspiring IMM+, try to remember to add archery back to the barbs in WB. Every time you don't, a deity AI will kill a kitten, although there are a lot of kittens so it's not the end of the world if you prefer easymode barbs .

I do request people to list their difficulty and speed. In terms of updates, well nobody follows that anyway. Post in the manner you feel comfortable. Typical comparison dates are 1 AD, liberalism, and victory/defeat, as well as any major events. If in doubt, go with that.

We also have an initial Immortal/Normal autosave which is much more convenient since you can avoid all the worldbuilder shenanigans. It comes with my personal seal of approval (not least as my worldbuilder edits may contain hideous game-destroying errors that could cause your computer to explode ).

Wang Kon came a couple weeks earlier because I didn't want two different Toku games going on the forum at once. Also its a little early, but have fun and happy civing.



Edit: Sorry I forgot the tile yields, I just realized that.

gonna get right on this thanks been tired of playing old bullpen games

/e

might take a chance and sip, but the plains hill tile looks good too for a financial guy

Settling where the warrior is looks like a good longterm commerce capital, but really poor hammers. There appears to be a forested plains hill 3E, and a forested grassland hill 2S1W. One has to ask if 1 extra hammer on the city tile and 3 floodplainst instead of 4 grassland riversides is worth maxing out at 6 hammers (working a mined desert hill...ugh) worth of improved tiles until workshops or watermills. Which themselves suck until the various buffs. I'm gonna say no, settling in place is stronger.

klonoklown said:

Sorry I forgot the tile yields, I just realized that.

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At least you got the resource bubbles. I think most Emperor level and above players already know the tile yields so long as we can see them. I have a hard time not settling where the warrior stands.

Settling on the warrior looks awesome at first glance, but there's no production there at all. I was debating b/t SIP and 1E. There's no real reason to settle on the Incense here, but the land looks a bit greener and I don't mind building non-riverside grassland cottages too much with Financial, so i went with that. It's usually pretty late before i get Calendar, so no big loss there covering up the Incense.

Meh... this one is harder than it looks.

civs on map spoiler

Is that Jungle I see to the North of the rice?

Edit: Thanks for the map, Klonoklown. I got sick and tired of beating my head against the Toku map, finally something else to lose at!

Izuul said:

Settling on the warrior looks awesome at first glance, but there's no production there at all. I was debating b/t SIP and 1E. There's no real reason to settle on the Incense here, but the land looks a bit greener and I don't mind building non-riverside grassland cottages too much with Financial, so i went with that. It's usually pretty late before i get Calendar, so no big loss there covering up the Incense.

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now that you mentioned the option of settling on incense... actually I think 2E of incense is hill under forest (but I am usually very bad with this predictions)

you would move from plains to more grassland though (you change at least 1 plains for grassland tile)

you're still on lake and I think incense should give more commerce to city tile.

50 AD

ben-jammin said:

Settling where the warrior is looks like a good longterm commerce capital, but really poor hammers. There appears to be a forested plains hill 3E, and a forested grassland hill 2S1W. One has to ask if 1 extra hammer on the city tile and 3 floodplainst instead of 4 grassland riversides is worth maxing out at 6 hammers (working a mined desert hill...ugh) worth of improved tiles until workshops or watermills. Which themselves suck until the various buffs. I'm gonna say no, settling in place is stronger.

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Nothing wrong with that desert hill if you really need hammers (doubtful, Fin doesn't need many capitol wonders), it's 1 food less compared to green mines.
But you get floodplains, so why worry about 1 food less?
Counting like that always makes me smile, super green mine..ugh brown or desert mine, this stuff does not matter at all. Either you grow and whip, go commerce or you use hammers, there should rarely be an in between.

Looks like a pretty strong start.

Fippy said:

Nothing wrong with that desert hill if you really need hammers (doubtful, Fin doesn't need many capitol wonders), it's 1 food less compared to green mines.
But you get floodplains, so why worry about 1 food less?
Counting like that always makes me smile, super green mine..ugh brown or desert mine, this stuff does not matter at all. Either you grow and whip, go commerce or you use hammers, there should rarely be an in between.

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It definitely matters, because the 50% hammer bonus from bureaucracy on a total of 8 production is kind of wasted. If you're looking to settle where the warrior is you're getting too caught up on the whole PH extra city tile hammer thing. Everything else about that spot doesn't make sense. And the desert hill does in fact suck for a commerce capital, costing 2 food for 3 hammers in a city you want growing and working max tiles.

Blunderwonder:

Monarch/Normal/NHNE

Very interesting start. The hill the Warrior is standing on is a plains hill, isn't it? In that case, I guess I'm going to move the Settler on the hill. Yes, that city spot would have poor production. But so does SiP, in addition to poor commerce.

I guess the only direction where the Warrior could reveal anything is the forest to the west.

Map's trolling me hard.

First try ended due to me rage-quitting after rubbish luck roll. My chariot died at 97.5% odds to a barb warrior.

The highly promoted warrior and his buddy overran my new city only defended by a warrior next turn.

Second try, WHAM! Turn 75 war declaration out of the blue! I am caught completely off guard.

From worldbuilder testing:
Settling on non-riverside plains incense did not give extra commerce (would be 3c since we are financial). The incense in the game appears to be non-riverside.
Chopping the "floodplain forest" 2N1W of the warrior turned it into desert.--Edit: oops, looking at the save shows that's a plains forest.

Settling 2N looks best to me based on the starting picture. The hammers aren't terrible considering we have a 2H city tile all game long.

No, settling on non-river incense wont add any commerce, it just removes several brown tiles from the BFC. I don't think that's spoiler info.

I guess it's a personal preference, but I like good production in my bureau cap, and having to work two 0-3 tiles just to get 8 hammers isn't overly appealing. That's the one city I like to put decent infrastructure in, and not having hammers makes that more difficult. That's likely also one less possible location to build any important wonders.

IMO SIP is stronger because of the bureau cap potential bonus, as a few people stated above. With a Financial leader its just too tempting to me to really pull out all the potential commerce and hammers out of that capitol. Seems going for an earlier CS would prove to be beneficial here.

Also the flood plains to the north probably, which matters what is to the north exactly, would serve as a nice secondary commerce site.

This post was deleted because I regret my bad behavior... Sorry Klonoklown.

Umm... I'm now cooled enough to post. Sorry for my ragequit, just can't understand what happened.