Attila, dude, you're supposed to play to win

wildberry · May 7, 2013

Here I was playing my Immortal - Pangaea - Standard - Standard game on Celts, attempting Cultural Victory. I was lagging behind somewhat - I was faced by two big sprawlers, Caesar and Hiawatha (whom I pitted against each other), and had warmongering Attila next to me.

I was worried by rather early Apollo programs - I had all victory conditions enabled as per usual - but I decided to give it a shot nevertheless before retiring. Apparently Hiawatha, race leader, got stuck with no aluminum, and Caesar was slower in tech race, so I thought I had a fighting chance. Then in the final turns, 6 turns before finishing Utopia, Attila finishes the last ship piece. Victory progress screen shows all his ship parts were lit and done. However, the game didn't stop with Hunnic victory. He apparently loved conquest and bloodshed so much he wasn't ready to launch ship and move on to next planet.

What gives? Has this ever happened to you before? Is this somehow repeatable? Does it have to do with leader flavours or was my game glitching?

I posted in the strategy forums because while I do not seek to exploit this, if this is a feature it sort of does have strategical implications.

dopingman · May 7, 2013

Maybe he had a civilian unit parked in his capital. The AI is actually too stupid to move them out and finish their SS. Him being at war could possibly mean that there was a enemy unit somewhere near his cap and therefore he was too frigthened to move that poor guy out. Another possibility is, that the AI built the last part far away from their capital and couldn't move his SS part through his territroy as it was blocked by enemy units.

If you want a concrete answer, load an earlier save and declare war on him, then go scouting for his last SS part.

wildberry · May 7, 2013

dopingman said:
Maybe he had a civilian unit parked in his capital. The AI is actually too stupid to move them out and finish their SS. Him being at war could possibly mean that there was a enemy unit somewhere near his cap and therefore he was too frigthened to move that poor guy out. Another possibility is, that the AI built the last part far away from their capital and couldn't move his SS part through his territroy as it was blocked by enemy units.

If you want a concrete answer, load an earlier save and declare war on him, then go scouting for his last SS part.

Cheers, Doping.

Glieze · May 7, 2013

wildberry said:
Cheers, Doping.

Or use Firetuner (via the SDK builder, which you can install via steam) to give yourself complete vision of the map.

Should be able to spot it fast without changing anything

The Pilgrim · May 7, 2013

Can you post the save? I always thought SS parts appear in VC screen after adding them to the ship, not after building.

Browd · May 7, 2013

You are correct. You can't monitor unattached parts through the VC screen, just with spies (if the parts are close to a city the spy is located in) or nearby units that can see the parts.

The Pilgrim · May 7, 2013

Browd said:
You are correct. You can't monitor unattached parts through the VC screen, just with spies (if the parts are close to a city the spy is located in) or nearby units that can see the parts.

I knew we can count on you.

Probably the game glitched and didn't give a proper notification.

Browd · May 7, 2013

If the victory progress screen lit up with a Hunnic Space victory, I suspect the OP clicked "Just one more turn" and didn't realize it. After a space victory you can continue to pursue a domination victory in "one more turn" time (that is the only VC that can continue to be pursued).

OP could check his Hall of Fame (assuming he's playing without mods) to see if he has a recorded technological loss.

The Pilgrim · May 7, 2013

Browd said:
If the victory progress screen lit up with a Hunnic Space victory, I suspect the OP clicked "Just one more turn" and didn't realize it. After a space victory you can continue to pursue a domination victory in "one more turn" time (that is the only VC that can continue to be pursued).

OP could check his Hall of Fame (assuming he's playing without mods) to see if he has a recorded technological loss.

Well, loss notification is kinda hard to miss, but everything is possible I guess. Another option is altering XML to disable some notifications, I have no idea how win/loss screens are affected by that and if one can turn them off completely. Mysteryyy..... We need save.

Browd · May 7, 2013

Agree on save. The OP's statement that

"Then in the final turns, 6 turns before finishing Utopia, Attila finishes the last ship piece. Victory progress screen shows all his ship parts were lit and done. However, the game didn't stop with Hunnic victory."

implies he may have gone into "Just one more turn" time.

Light Cleric · May 7, 2013

If you turn off Science VC, can the AI still build/launch parts? If so he may have accidentally ticked it off.

I've never played a game with SV disabled because 99% of the time it's the one VC the AI can stumble into

Browd · May 7, 2013

If science vic is turned off, you can't build Apollo Program, so no one can build parts.

Learned this when I played forward someone else's save file, did the whole science specialist/multi-RA thing, beelinging for Rocketry and Satellites, only to come to a screetching halt when I found I couldn't build Apollo. WTH? Domination only? <Sigh> Wouldn't call it "rage" quit; more like "stupid, stupid, stupid, I should have checked that earlier" quit. Too many wasted turns to start gearing up for more war.

wildberry · May 7, 2013

Thanks to Browd and ThePilgrim on corrections.

I was pretty flabbergasted by the fact and failed both at taking any screenshots and saving game post-muddleup.

Last save is roughly 20 turns prior to my impending but unexpected victory. Haven't tried repeating the process - you are free to try. It would be sort of reassuring if I had just missed a piece in Attila's list, but as far as I could tell they were all lit prior to my victory.

I did manage to build my Utopia on turn 372 due to game not crediting Attila with victory; I am rather certain I did not click on "just one more turn", because I only had one entry in my HoF and with was the tagged with a cultural victory.

(please resist temptation to criticise my horrid choices apparent in the game; I am well aware I lucked out on this CV in more ways than one)

And Browd, I totally feel you. Once back in playing King I inadvertently retired early game but kept going, and when I was ready to win SV it just turned out I could not. It was a long road into Domination...

rc24688 · May 7, 2013

I currently have this problem on a game I am playing. 3 AI have completed all the parts on the victory progress screen, but no AI victory popup has appeared.

Handy as it gives me time to grab all capitals for a somewhat hollow victory :nuke:

.

The Pilgrim · May 7, 2013

rc24688 said:
I currently have this problem on a game I am playing. 3 AI have completed all the parts on the victory progress screen, but no AI victory popup has appeared.

Handy as it gives me time to grab all capitals for a somewhat hollow victory .

You can achieve domination victory even after one of the players won through other VC, which is likely what happened in your game as well.

Light Cleric · May 7, 2013

So is there just a bug that's causing the losing screen to not display or something? I can't look at the save atm.

The Pilgrim · May 7, 2013

Light Cleric said:
So is there just a bug that's causing the losing screen to not display or something? I can't look at the save atm.

I'll try to load it in a moment, although with my current garbage computer I'm not very optimistic. :rolleyes:

wildberry · May 7, 2013

Light Cleric said:
So is there just a bug that's causing the losing screen to not display or something? I can't look at the save atm.

I assume that the problem goes deeper than that; if Attila actually installed the pieces, the game didn't register the loss at all. There was no entry on HoF either.

The Pilgrim · May 7, 2013

wildberry said:
I assume that the problem goes deeper than that; if Attila actually installed the pieces, the game didn't register the loss at all. There was no entry on HoF either.

It either didn't register the static chamber other than in VC screen or it was registered in VC screen despite not being built. Weird stuff. This should be moved to bug section.

I'm attaching replay file as well as autosaves.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?w77pyn116u74aic

P.S. On the positive, my HD didn't crash. I'm cautiously hopeful. :rolleyes:

jango76 · May 7, 2013

Maybe he built the last part in an outlying city with no road connection to his capital and a lot of rough terrain on the way :crazyeye:

Attila, dude, you're supposed to play to win

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