question on begging/request gold mechanic..

Anyone know how this works? I was just playing an old shaka game with hindu lovefest and mehmed starting plotting very early, after i got him to pleased, i begged 80 gold 4 times straight... and he stopped plotting, but i tried to beg 10 gold off darius 4 times, and he never once accepted. Is there something to this? Im curious for a number of reasons, not just because 10 turn peace is a way to avoid dow for awhile but because it seems at higher levels, if theres 2 people who are friends and are unlikely to declare, if i can beg 500 gold off them over the course of the game, then thats something id like to be familiar with. Im going to continue begging gold off mehmed at every chance, but so far it seems like he'll just keep giving me 80 gold every 10 turns...

The amount they are willing to give builds up slowly, when you beg they will remember it for a time and until they forget they won't give you anything else. Forgetting is done randomly but generally you can beg 150-200 gold from your friends every 25-30 turns.
Early game a beg may be for a cheap tech such as Sailing.

Theres a thread on here somewhere expaning it in more detail.

On a similar note, Gandhi doesn't give diplo hits for threatening him

EDIT - Link to the post on the mechanics of this

Ghpstage said:

The amount they are willing to give builds up slowly, when you beg they will remember it for a time and until they forget they won't give you anything else. Forgetting is done randomly but generally you can beg 150-200 gold from your friends every 25-30 turns.
Early game a beg may be for a cheap tech such as Sailing.

Theres a thread on here somewhere expaning it in more detail.

On a similar note, Gandhi doesn't give diplo hits for threatening him

EDIT - Link to the post on the mechanics of this

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does the begging cooldown time scales with game speed? edit: will check the link, donw know how to delete reply, sorry

Very few things scale with game speed properly when it comes to diplomacy, if anything does.

TheMeInTeam said:

Very few things scale with game speed properly when it comes to diplomacy, if anything does.

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hm, just to make the slower speed easier even more. thanks