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iPhones are not a scam.
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iPhones are not a scam.
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I can find you phones that are worth about $150 and have significantly better specs than the iphone 5. They also run on an operating system you don't have to jailbreak* from to be able to properly customize it.
* and I didn't even get to the part where this voids the warrancy that represents your only way to replace your battery when it breaks...
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First of all, I don't care about tech specs. In terms of tech specs my iPhone does everything I want out of it, so better tech specs would not get used. I don't want to jailbreak it because again, even as it is it does everything I want.
What I do want, on the other hand, is a phone with superb simplicity and runs with virtually no problem (which has been the case from my experience). Android phones come with more customization, no one denies that. It's whether that's what that person actually wants to begin with. Yes, if someone's main concern with a phone is tech specs and customization, they shouldn't go with apple not only with an iPhone but in general. And yes, there are going to be apple 'fanboys' which will buy their products no matter what, but then there are people that just want an easy-to-use device because they don't have the time and/or interest in becoming 'tech savy'.
I mean, let's put it this way: Supposing you can build a car with much better specs and better price than it would cost to just buy one, does that mean everyone that buys one has gotten ripped off?
edit: I jailbroke my iPad, and meh, didn't care for the jailbreak features and plus I thought it was making it run slower and messing it up in general. So I uninstalled the jailbreak and their were still problems, and apple never found out that it was ever jailbroken to begin with. Even if jailbreaking 'voids the warranty' if all you have to do is delete the jailbreak and reset it back to factory settings and apple has no way of finding out, that's irrelevant.
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I don't want to get into a huge debate about this because since you're arguing for buying a phone that from a superficial pov is over $450 too high priced*, the effort to convince you shouldn't be on my side. But the problem with your argument is obviously this: you're implying that using android without using its more complex customization features is difficult. It isn't.
* I'm not talking about the compounded scam of "subsidized" data subs, of course.
* I'm not talking about the compounded scam of "subsidized" data subs, of course.
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I'm not just exclusively talking about the interface, I'm talking about the problems that come with it. iPhones are far more exclusive, but this also makes the software and hardware fit like a glove, so to speak.
You're saying a particular demographic of people are 'falling for a scam' despite the fact that by definition, they are almost certainly by and large more educated than you. Perhaps YOU are the one that can't think critically.
You're saying a particular demographic of people are 'falling for a scam' despite the fact that by definition, they are almost certainly by and large more educated than you. Perhaps YOU are the one that can't think critically.
Beautiful personal attacks, gentlemen. Personally I am of the opinion that when you buy Apple products, you pay a significant portion for the brand and image.
For example, you can buy a PC or you can buy a mac with the same specs but ~50% more expensive. Now I do admit that some of that may be some misguided focus on quality, but I'd say ~20-25% tops. A not-insignificant part of the extra money you're paying is for that fact that it's "Apple" instead of "something else". And it makes sense - they have a strong brand and they intend to make full use of it.
As for the iPhone, I'm sure it works just fine as a phone, but it's more of a toy. It sells well because of the Apple brand's staying power, and because most consumers actually want a toy. They don't want complex features (Android) or strong security (BlackBerry). Well they do, but what they want even more is cool apps and an entertainment experience rather than a utility performance.
Of course, their advertising has helped with that too. When you think iPhone vs. BlackBerry, one of the competitive advantages you'll come up with is "apps!". Except BlackBerry has all the apps you need; Apple simply has way more duplicates so that they can pad their number to "100,000" rather than a mere "10,000" (or whatever the numbers are these days). Apple "value" indeed.
For example, you can buy a PC or you can buy a mac with the same specs but ~50% more expensive. Now I do admit that some of that may be some misguided focus on quality, but I'd say ~20-25% tops. A not-insignificant part of the extra money you're paying is for that fact that it's "Apple" instead of "something else". And it makes sense - they have a strong brand and they intend to make full use of it.
As for the iPhone, I'm sure it works just fine as a phone, but it's more of a toy. It sells well because of the Apple brand's staying power, and because most consumers actually want a toy. They don't want complex features (Android) or strong security (BlackBerry). Well they do, but what they want even more is cool apps and an entertainment experience rather than a utility performance.
Of course, their advertising has helped with that too. When you think iPhone vs. BlackBerry, one of the competitive advantages you'll come up with is "apps!". Except BlackBerry has all the apps you need; Apple simply has way more duplicates so that they can pad their number to "100,000" rather than a mere "10,000" (or whatever the numbers are these days). Apple "value" indeed.
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Nice overgeneralization about a huge company that makes all sorts of things.
Or maybe they just want a computer that is far less likely to get viruses and can easily afford paying more just for that convenience?
More developers are making software for iOS, and there's no way around this. Period.
Meh. Anyway, considering how much Apple products get bashed to a pulp (including even the people that use them) I highly doubt anyone does to 'show off'. I would never consider buying a Macbook, because even with my iMac that I leave at my house sometimes when people come over they insult me for using it (and of course, I never let them back in after that). The irony here is they think the apple users are the ones being emotional and such, when really it is far the other way around. I have never gone up to someone and said 'haha I have a mac and you don't' or even anything that is a disguised version of something along those lines. When you're living in a world that company 2's products have far worse of a reputation than company 1's, to insist that people are using company 2 for 'brand name' is laughable at best.
Nice overgeneralization about a huge company that makes all sorts of things.
It's the company's model, so I don't see how such an "overgeneralization" is invalid.
That's... that's hardly a relevant feature of Macs. Next you'll say that people are flocking to Linux in droves because it's used by so few people that nobody bothers making viruses for the system.
No, the main feature of Macs is quality and long life. Which is hardly worth the price in my opinion, and especially so given the rate at which computer specs keep advancing.
Yes, and the vast majority of the "app advantage" is bunk made up by countless duplicates of apps that almost every other smartphone platform has. There is an app advantage, I won't deny that, but definitely not to the level that it's made out to be.
What world are you living in? The tech world where every gadget is analyzed? The online world where you and me discuss the merits of such devices at length? Then you'd be right. And representative of a fraction of the real consumer market.
The average consumer, which includes teenage girls, is much more enamored by the brand, and lives in an ecosystem where such critique isn't really present.
That's because on the other side (let's call it the me side) you also have jackasses that overgeneralize and think that anyone who uses Apple products are enamored by their "pretty" features not unlike those teenage girls. Rather than the actual merit in those products (e.g. quality of components).
Apple is the norm, not the "abused minority".
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Really? I've surfed Apple's website many times and haven't heard them say anything like that. Do you have a source?
Linux has far less software available than OSX, and that's not even including things like Logic Studio, Final Cut Pro, Aperture, and any other software Apple actually makes for OSX itself regardless of whether it's free or costs money. Linux has the same advantage of lack of viruses, but it comes at the sacrifice of much more limited things that 'you' (when I say you, I don't mean you specifically as a tech savy person, but the average person) can do with it.
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I disagree, I have apps on my iPad that don't exist for the android at all (as in, not even an equivalent).
Let's put it this way: I live in a world where I've received far more negative comments for my use of apple products (which I never talk about, btw) than positive comments, and yes, before you ask, that includes comments made by teenage girls.
Anyway, if you're implying that Apple is biggest and is worth the literally hundreds of billions that they are based on mostly (or even a significant percentage of) teenage girls, you're wrong. Justin Bieber's main marketshare is teenage girls, and while it's certainly made him and his 'people' a hell of a lot, it's probably not even 1% of what apple as a company is worth.
The appeal of apple products are much, much more broad than teenage girls. After all, the way this discussion got going in the first place was because apparently higher level educated adults in America prefer them by a wide margin, and frankly I doubt they have much in common with teenage girls, other than they both (according to you) prefer apple products.
Yep.
They have somewhere around 10% of the computer marketshare, and like (if I remember right) 30 percent of the smartphone marketshare. Android is beating iOS in marketshare, and Windows is beating OSX in marketshare despite the fact that many people are unhappy with Windows 8.
Based on this alone, your definition of 'the norm' suffers from serious selection bias.
Business strategy isn't something that's on a website. Apple is clearly a product differentiator, with an immense brand. Part of the Apple advantage is the brand. You don't need their website to tell you that.
The point I was trying to make is that people don't buy Macs because of the few viruses. It's the other way around. There are few viruses for Macs because nobody uses them.
I'm not surprised. But out of the wide variety of super-useful apps, they're available on just about every platform. "There's an app for that" applies to BlackBerry AppWorld too. Just not the more unique or obscure ones.
Then I stand corrected. I thought Apple love was universal. Perhaps you have ** acquaintances?
The point is that they have the major market share and are very favourably viewed by the majority. Maybe not so much in the latest times, but absolutely a few years ago.
I know, it wasn't my intention to say only teenage girls like them. But a -ton of teenage girls and boys love them, and they make up a significant part of the market. Just because smartphone enthusiasts are elitist and hate Apple doesn't mean that's the prevailing opinion.
Sorry, I meant to limit my iPhone marketshare discussion to the iPhone. Macs have had abysmal market share since they're trying to differentiate in a commodity market. iPhone may be losing the edge because of that as well. Android is a bit too broad a platform to truly compare. When I make these comparisons, I compare Apple with BlackBerry, Nokia, Samsung, and so on. Even though multiple of those phone manufacturers use Android as an O/S.
** EDIT: Imagine a naughty word there.
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edit: One thing I want to bring up is a site I used to chat on regularly is somewhat dominated by teenagers/ early 20somethings (with most of them being female) and Apple got bashed their far more than praised. Apple products are almost as easy to bash as Hitler, and slightly more hard to bash than George Bush.
No. Macs have 10% of the marketshare, so they should have 10 percent of the viruses (based on what your saying it would be even more than that) when instead it's practically none at all.
Yes, there are the generic 'one size fits all' apps that everyone is going to use, but pretty much everyone also has specific needs and interests for them individually, and iOS is more likely to have it.
Then I stand corrected. I thought Apple love was universal. Perhaps you have acquaintances?
I don't think the majority of teenage girls use iPhones/Macs (the only way you could find out, I suppose is by a poll done by some high school), and even if they do teenage girls do not make up a majority or even significant minority (meaning at least 25%) of their marketshare.
The point is there are a hell of a lot more 'smartphone enthusiasts that are elitists' than you know.
Well I would disagree with the premise of your argument then. I base marketshare off of the OS, not the hardware. The fall of IBM proves that the OS of a computer is at a minimum just as important as the hardware, if not more important. But the fact that Apple integrates their hardware and software would be, if anything, something to be looked at in their favor, not the other way around.
I don't think so, but there's no way for us to argue this is there?
No. Macs have 10% of the marketshare, so they should have 10 percent of the viruses (based on what your saying it would be even more than that) when instead it's practically none at all.
Yes, there are the generic 'one size fits all' apps that everyone is going to use, but pretty much everyone also has specific needs and interests for them individually, and iOS is more likely to have it.
Then I stand corrected. I thought Apple love was universal. Perhaps you have acquaintances?
I don't think the majority of teenage girls use iPhones/Macs (the only way you could find out, I suppose is by a poll done by some high school), and even if they do teenage girls do not make up a majority or even significant minority (meaning at least 25%) of their marketshare.
The point is there are a hell of a lot more 'smartphone enthusiasts that are elitists' than you know.
Well I would disagree with the premise of your argument then. I base marketshare off of the OS, not the hardware. The fall of IBM proves that the OS of a computer is at a minimum just as important as the hardware, if not more important. But the fact that Apple integrates their hardware and software would be, if anything, something to be looked at in their favor, not the other way around.
iPhones are a work of art. What ruins them are the cases that have a hole so the apple logo shows through and the users who say, "I answered my iPhone and..."
Fine, required minimum specs:
4" screen
320 dpi
LTE
8MP camera (HTC One family exempt)
Latest OS version
Go.
They're not like this across the board.
By far and away the best selling Mac is the MBA, you can't find a competitive PC for much cheaper.
If you move to retina laptops, the story looks similar, the only hidpi PCs are the Kirabook and the Ativ Book, which are priced competitively with retina MBPs.
BlackBerry isn't particularly more secure than any other mainstream mobile OS.
You won't find many people agreeing with you here. Most iOS apps are garbage, but most BlackBerry apps are still garbage, so you get proportionally fewer good apps, and almost every cross-platform app that's actually available on BlackBerry is worse on that platform.
Going to 'C' in my list of apps:
Instrument Tuner: Available
Emergency Room Wait Times: Not available.
Mobile 2-factor Authenticator: Not available. (This one is HUGE, it means you can't enable 2-factor authentication anywhere, which everyone concerned with security should be doing.
Reddit: Available, but terrible reviews.
CBC Radio - Available.
Not a great comparison for BB.
Depends what you think their market is - in PCs costing over $1000, Macs have like a 90% market share.
Doesn't work like that, winner takes all.
Their laptops are like that too. You can't actually type on the MBP because the sharp edge digs into your wrists.
In all honesty the biggest issue now is screen size. I have become very accustomed to the Note II's huge screen. I see little tiny iPhones and I wonder "why bother?" I am amazed I used it for so long myself. The Note II is more like a little computer in my pocket which is what I always wanted out of a smartphone.
As an average-sized man, I find phablets oversized for general use. I think the 4" iphone is a good minimum size for a smartphone.
I think what size phone you carry also depends on what other devices you have. If you have a 7" tablet, carrying a 5.5" phone doesn't make much sense.
I think what size phone you carry also depends on what other devices you have. If you have a 7" tablet, carrying a 5.5" phone doesn't make much sense.
I have a Nexus 7 too
I never use it, my wife uses it way more than I do. I was sort of curious to play around with vanilla android though, which I like. I use it on airplanes and while traveling but it is one of my more... frivolous luxuries I guess you could say.
I quickly got accustomed to the Note II. I am an average sized guy too. 5'11", normal hands, I thought it would be weird but now it feels totally normal. No issues pulling it out of my jeans, holding it, never dropped it, etc. I don't use a case or anything though which keeps it nice and slim.
It is blatantly obvious in pockets of dress slacks though. If a smaller form factor phone came out with a more efficient use of space so the screen size could still be huge (kind of what the s4 looks like , although I have not held it) I would probably "downgrade" in size.
I never use it, my wife uses it way more than I do. I was sort of curious to play around with vanilla android though, which I like. I use it on airplanes and while traveling but it is one of my more... frivolous luxuries I guess you could say.
I quickly got accustomed to the Note II. I am an average sized guy too. 5'11", normal hands, I thought it would be weird but now it feels totally normal. No issues pulling it out of my jeans, holding it, never dropped it, etc. I don't use a case or anything though which keeps it nice and slim.
It is blatantly obvious in pockets of dress slacks though. If a smaller form factor phone came out with a more efficient use of space so the screen size could still be huge (kind of what the s4 looks like , although I have not held it) I would probably "downgrade" in size.
My wife has an iPhone 4s, I have a nexus s 4g. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my phone was designed to compete with hers, no? Her phone wins in every category except for OS. At least, that's how I see it.
Particularly, her camera is simply stunning. And it's not just a bigger sensor - it's also a better
sensor, with the software to really use it. When I went to take a pic, starting from the home screen, it's about 6 full seconds before the pic is taken. With her phone it's less than 2.
Plus, within the Camera app itself the stock iPhone software is brilliant. If you like taking photos, the iPhone 4s is, I think, the best value going - even today.
Yes, the screen size and hyper-limited customizing are keeping me from switching to an iPhone. I only buy used, so I'm likely going to go for Galaxy II.
iphone 4s is essentially two years newer than the Nexus S, and the Nexus line is renown for having terrible cameras. For pure photos, the Lumia 1020 is the best value phone.
Don't get a Galaxy S2, Samsung is awful.
Only Android phones I'd recommend are the Nexus series or the HTC One. Nexus 4 goes for under $250 used (or $300 new) anyway, and is miles better than the S2.
Don't get a Galaxy S2, Samsung is awful.
Only Android phones I'd recommend are the Nexus series or the HTC One. Nexus 4 goes for under $250 used (or $300 new) anyway, and is miles better than the S2.
Samsung isn't that bad. Touchwiz is not as awful as some make it out to be. Not hugely different from vanilla if you're a casual user and has some nifty stuff. Just stay away from the useless samsung apps. But yeah don't bother with anything less than an S3.
