Nobles Club CXXV - Qin

The Nobles' Club series started out as a way for Noble-level (and below) players to improve their game. Most of the original participants now play at much higher levels, so this has become a way for advanced players to help others learn to play better. You can play your own game at any level and with any mod, but it would be nice to comment on the games of other players and give them advice.

Our next leader is Qin Shi Huang of China, whom we last played in NC CVII, which was also the last time we played the Chinese. The Chinese start with Agriculture and Mining. Qin is INDustrious and PROtective.

IND means 50% wonder production -- wonderspam time! PRO means archers and gunpowder units start with CG I and Drill I, so you can protect yourself while wonderspamming.


His UB: the Pavilion, a Theatre that gives an extra 25%, excellent synergy with a Wonder Spamming Cultural Victory tactic.


His UU: the Cho-Ko-Nu, a souped-up crossbow with a second first strike that does collateral damage like seige engines. At Noble and similar levels drill-promoted Cho-Ko-Nus are excellent attack units and even at higher levels if you have iron and get to Machinery fast enough, they are decent on the offensive. As Qin is protective they start with CG1 so you can leave a couple behind in a city to guard it and they will be effective defenders.



And the start:

Finally, a cut and paste of our standard doctrine:The WB-saves are attached (zipped; they are bigger than standard saves). To play, simply download and unzip it into your BTS/Saves/WorldBuilder folder. Start the game, and load your favorite MOD (if you use one, if not, check out the BUG MOD), select "Play Scenario", and look for "NC number Leader Noble" (or Monarch, etc., for higher levels). You can play with your favorite MOD at the Level and Speed of your choice. From Quick-Warlord to Marathon-Deity, all are welcome! We stuck with the name "Nobles Club" because it has a cool ring to it.

Wins:-

FlyingSwan - Emperor, Cultural Victory - 1715AD
Jarno - Emperor, Cultural Victory 1770 AD

Warrior 1SE and if nothing found settle 1N for the Banana...right?

Otherwise, the start looks extremely fun, and I noticed IND-Stone synergy now. Doesn't it mean Mids n' TGW time?

Industrious and stone means quick wonders. Too bad we don´t have forest´s to chop.

I think i will try this on prince/marathon/no huts or events and aim for cultular victory.

Looks like some forest to the S and SE; if there's a decent production location there, it might be a good spot for chopping some early wonders.

1S for the PH loses the stone, but (a) maybe there's a decent city cite to the north and (b) by the time we need it, the city borders should have expanded that far, I think.

Isn't that a banana on a hill? Weird.

I will give this a shot, on Monarch I guess, and hope to Cho-Ko-Nu rush some dudes.

Someone help me - I can never remember the bulb paths - we skip fishing, Oracle MC, and then need to get what prerequisites to allow scientists to bulb Machinery?

vogonpoet said:

I will give this a shot, on Monarch I guess, and hope to Cho-Ko-Nu rush some dudes.

Someone help me - I can never remember the bulb paths - we skip fishing, Oracle MC, and then need to get what prerequisites to allow scientists to bulb Machinery?

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Mathematics
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Iron Working
Masonry

auagxa said:

Isn't that a banana on a hill? Weird.

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It's due to the map type, details in the first post spoilers.

Robert FIN said:

Warrior 1SE and if nothing found settle 1N for the Banana...right?

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Apart from the fact you don't need to move to get the banana!

NobleZarkon said:

It's due to the map type, details in the first post spoilers.

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Well I never played that kind of map so yeah.

BTW typo on the title. Should be CXXXV

It's Qin. This will be interesting

Sounds nice, I'll give it a try. I just finished a 3 weeks game, I have yet to play Mayans' game before this one,
I think that I've never played on that kind of map.

I'll be honest, I'm a bit scared of the map script.

Help requested this time for sure as I want to try something new- spying. I don't really use spies often or effectively [usually more as a preventative measure than an offensive one], so, even though it way too early [correct?] to decide this, I wanted to try to rely on spies this game, so

Stone and Industrious- like the idea of GW and Pyramids so I can get a Great Spy, beeline CoL and run spy specialists [hence the Pyramids for rep].

I realize it is not a game plan in itself [though the spy ---> culture victory seems interesting], but is this a decent use of the start?

Will probably play on Prince regardless as I have only played 3 Prince games [all wins thanks to the info from here] and have never played a map.

@Izzul

Well I just ran a quick test of this map script - holy crap its a lot of jungle. Like, just jungle, jungle everywhere. Jungle pigs, jungle elephants, go bananas.

I don't know... it feels like iron working is gonna be pretty important... I guess overlapping second city with cap means we can avoid it for a while, but perhaps I will go straight to alpha after priesthood, in the hope of trading for IW sooner rather than later.

Also, calendar. Not sure I can bear to wait for the Monarch AI to tech calendar for me, the quick test I ran was banana central.

Well now I regret moaning about repetitive starting locations on the NC. This start is definitely too, uh, unique, for me.

vogonpoet said:

I will give this a shot, on Monarch I guess, and hope to Cho-Ko-Nu rush some dudes.

Someone help me - I can never remember the bulb paths - we skip fishing, Oracle MC, and then need to get what prerequisites to allow scientists to bulb Machinery?

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This way is risky: you may get a great prophet instead of the desired great scientist.