Titles?

In SoI, they have titles, and that was really cool. Maybe DoC should have titles?

Ideas:
Leader of the Free World:
Requirements:
Must be a capitalist democracy with a score that is double or more that of the next highest-ranking capitalist democracy.
Must be friendly or pleased with 85% of capitalist democracies.
Must have nuclear missiles
Bonuses:
+5 relationship points with other capitalist democracies.
Unbreakable military alliance with other capitalist democracies
+5 free tanks whenever you or an ally is attacked

Roman Emperor:
Requirements:
Must control Rome and 3 cities in Italy and/or France(before 476 AD) or Constantinople and 3 cities in Greece and/or Balkans and/or Anatolia (after 476 AD)
Bonuses:
Cannot collapse as long is Rome (before 476 AD) or Constantinople (after 476 AD is under control)

Bobby Martnen said:

In SoI, they have titles, and that was really cool. Maybe DoC should have titles?

Ideas:
Leader of the Free World:
Requirements:
Must be a capitalist democracy with a score that is double or more that of the next highest-ranking capitalist democracy.
Must be friendly or pleased with 85% of capitalist democracies.
Must have nuclear missiles
Bonuses:
+5 relationship points with other capitalist democracies.
Unbreakable military alliance with other capitalist democracies
+5 free tanks whenever you or an ally is attacked

Roman Emperor:
Requirements:
Must control Rome and 3 cities in Italy and/or France(before 476 AD) or Constantinople and 3 cities in Greece and/or Balkans and/or Anatolia (after 476 AD)
Bonuses:
Cannot collapse as long is Rome (before 476 AD) or Constantinople (after 476 AD is under control)

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im not sure titles fit here

although if there were titles, leader of the free world is a very good one. i think roman emperor is a bit specific for this mod

Leader of the Free World:
Requirements:
Must be a capitalist democracy with a score that is double or more that of the next highest-ranking capitalist democracy.
Must be friendly or pleased with 85% of capitalist democracies.
Must have nuclear missiles

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Hahahaha at first I thought you were playing this straight but then I saw the last part and I laughed. The title should go on ahead and be put in quotes to denote how suspicious it is. "Capitalist democracy."

There should be a Leninist one too like "Defender of the Revolution" or something.

How about a "Sun Never Sets on My Empire" kinda title for the colonial era.

Titles are tricky on a world map though. What chance for titles could, say, China have?Maybe there's a title for being a South Asian civ and controlling all cities on the subcontinent. But then its only useful for three civs, see?

Krulltak said:

Hahahaha at first I thought you were playing this straight but then I saw the last part and I laughed. The title should go on ahead and be put in quotes to denote how suspicious it is. "Capitalist democracy."

There should be a Marxist one too like Defender of the Revolution or something.

How about a "Sun Never Sets on My Empire" kinda title for the colonial era.

Titles are tricky on a world map though. What chance for titles could, say, China have?Maybe there's a title for being a South Asian civ and controlling all cities on the subcontinent. But then its only useful for three civs, see?

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In my opinion,
I think if DoC have a title system it shouldn't be some title that is limited to certain Civ/Religion only. It should be a title that any Civ can attain;

For example:
-Cultural Capital of the World - highest culture output, wonder, etc. (IRL:France)
-The Sun Never Set Empire blabla... - have the most amount of cities outside its home continent (IRL:Britain)
-Land of Black Gold - control the most oil (IRL: Saudi Arabia)
-Maratime Empire - largest navy/most coastal cities

and so on.........
That is an oversimplification, but you should get the point.

Krulltak said:

Hahahaha at first I thought you were playing this straight but then I saw the last part and I laughed. The title should go on ahead and be put in quotes to denote how suspicious it is. "Capitalist democracy."

There should be a Leninist one too like "Defender of the Revolution" or something.

How about a "Sun Never Sets on My Empire" kinda title for the colonial era.

Titles are tricky on a world map though. What chance for titles could, say, China have?Maybe there's a title for being a South Asian civ and controlling all cities on the subcontinent. But then its only useful for three civs, see?

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No more than a ''socialist democracy'' haha oh socialists


Dictatorship of the Proletariat:
Requeriments
Use Central Planning and totalitarism(Maybe autocracy too?)
Be sure that at least 5 civs are communists and be friendly with all(5)
Be the second or first in score and power for 50 turns
Have nukes,Nukes Stronk
Bonuses:
Other civs accept be vassals more easily
Communist countries accept send you tributes or gifts more easily

Bobby Martnen said:

In SoI, they have titles, and that was really cool. Maybe DoC should have titles?

Ideas:
Leader of the Free World:
Requirements:
Must be a capitalist democracy with a score that is double or more that of the next highest-ranking capitalist democracy.
Must be friendly or pleased with 85% of capitalist democracies.
Must have nuclear missiles
Bonuses:
+5 relationship points with other capitalist democracies.
Unbreakable military alliance with other capitalist democracies
+5 free tanks whenever you or an ally is attacked

Roman Emperor:
Requirements:
Must control Rome and 3 cities in Italy and/or France(before 476 AD) or Constantinople and 3 cities in Greece and/or Balkans and/or Anatolia (after 476 AD)
Bonuses:
Cannot collapse as long is Rome (before 476 AD) or Constantinople (after 476 AD is under control)

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Yes Reus very good thinking they should be general and applicable to anyone.

Like, Gunboat Diplomacy: Have big navy, rival civs more likely to concede to your demands.

Culture Capital of the World: More commerce (tourism)

Have X Great Generals or something: Your vassal states get more XP too (exporting military training)

How about GrossDeutschReich
Germany or hre controls alles of europa - gets military bonus 10%

Titles has a point in SoI in the sence that an empire is a successor of a very well-known historical empire. In DoC there aren't successions of empires. The only viable titles are:

Emperor of China
(China starts as having the title):
Requirements:
*Control Changan or Beijing.
*Control all the built confucian wonders.
*Have access to silk.
Bonus:
*Chinese Invention (let the power of myriads be again the chinese UP).

Indian mayarajat
Requirements:
*No other rival in Indian peninsula.
*Control hindu holy city.
*Control buddhist holy city.
Bonus:
*Varnas (let the power of spirituality be again the indian UP).

Emperor of Romans
Requirements:
*Control Rome and Constaninople.
*Run dynasticism.
*Control 1 city in Spain, 1 city in Cathrage, Egypt, Minor Asia, Greece and Italy.
Bonus:
*Roman Infrastructure: Can move +50% inside cultural borders.

Caliph
(Arabia spawns owning th title)
Requirements:
*Have Islam as state religion.
*Control Mecca and Jerusalem.
*Be the strongest muslim civ in the world.
Bonus:
*Jihad: +4XP in all cities

Planet Leader
Requirements:
*Be viable for UN candidate.
*Be the strongest civ in the world.
*Kill an other civ.
Bonus:
*Rival civs are less possible to declare war on you.

Let me be the first to provide a dissenting voice. I don't think these ideas work for DoC.
Some of these are simply too region-specific or too broad (viewed through an ultra-modern lens of history,
like the communist/capitalist titles) or regressive in nature (citis's China & India suggestions).
I would rather not have titles at all if they will end up looking like this.

I agree; these titles are, in my opinion, just not really suitable for such a wide-spanning mod as DoC.

Only two or three title worth inclusion : Caliph, Pope, UN Secretary General.
The rest doesn't really make sense to be applied in a worldwide scope. Say, what if Vikings become Emperor of China or Mali become Indian Maharajate?

But the idea of a Pope from Norwegia or Caliph from Mali still make sense, even vice versa.

There are three candidates for "Indian mharajat" (Indians, Tamils and Mughals) and the only SoI-like title.

"Emperor of China" will be held by chinese most of the time, but Mongols, Koreans, human Japanese or even Thais may also aquire the title.

"Emperor of Romans" is medieval title. Franks, Germans, Byzantines, Bulgarians wanted the title for themselves.

Pope and UN secretary general could be consider titltes that are already in the game.

This idea has awesome potential.

citis said:

There are three candidates for "Indian mharajat" (Indians, Tamils and Mughals) and the only SoI-like title.

"Emperor of China" will be held by chinese most of the time, but Mongols, Koreans, human Japanese or even Thais may also aquire the title.

"Emperor of Romans" is medieval title. Franks, Germans, Byzantines, Bulgarians wanted the title for themselves.

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I must disagree that if there is to be a Title it would be something that is to
region/religion/civ specific.

citis said:

There are three candidates for "Indian mharajat" (Indians, Tamils and Mughals) and the only SoI-like title.

"Emperor of China" will be held by chinese most of the time, but Mongols, Koreans, human Japanese or even Thais may also aquire the title.

"Emperor of Romans" is medieval title. Franks, Germans, Byzantines, Bulgarians wanted the title for themselves.

Pope and UN secretary general could be consider titltes that are already in the game.

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SoI's title is possible because it's only affects the middle East, so regional title can apply... but DoC is a worldwide-scoped game... It is ridiculous to see Maya claim the title as Emperor of China, etc. It is way too specific and can't apply worldwide as much as Pope, Caliph or UN Secretary General.

Btw, Leoreth, if you're reading this, please consider adding Caliph in-game to counterbalance the Pope.. perhaps done by building AP-like building (House of Wisdom?) that require Islam and build-able before 750 AD or 800 AD...

BenZL43 said:

It is ridiculous to see Maya claim the title as Emperor of China.

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If they control Beijing Changan all the built confu wonders and a silk resource, then it isn't redicolous.

Emperor of China...

You need to control Beijing and Changan, which makes it very like that China is dead.
So you will become the emperor of a death civ...


But now serious. Titles are cool in SoI. But that's because it fit's SoI because SoI is only a regional mod. They just won't fit DoC.

First of all, the initial premise of the Emperor of China title is flawed. Current UP bonus for current title holder?
I'll give that scientific advancement was still flourishing even during the Yuan, but that was not due to any Mongol contribution and more towards the fact that
Han, Arab & Persian researchers and scholars were able to intermingle more freely during that period and innovation stagnated under the Qing (Manchu).
That's my realism standpoint. My gameplay standpoint comes from the fact that Myriads is a horrible UP that will not hold up within the current DoC balance
and only really plays up the stereotype of Chinese conscript hordes, when there have been a variety of different leadership styles in China throughout history.

As for India, Power of Spirituality seems regressive in concept.
Considering whatever current balance India has is based on its Health balance with the (not) new Floodplain terrain, I'd say we need Varnas more.

Honestly, this is a horrible idea and doesn't fit into the scope of the mod,
but if I REALLY had to, this is how I'd do Titles:

One Title. No less, no more.
That title would simply be Lucky.
It's derived from Lucky Nations in EUIII, which is an option that chooses 8 nations at random in any given game and gives them a whole bunch of permanent modifiers.

But this is how I would handle it in DoC; a set of bonuses including:
+5% civ-wide commerce output
+10% troop production
-10% inflation
-War successes increase in value by 1 pt. per instance (capturing Workers, killing Units, etc.)
-Endgame score multiplies by the number of instances AI Lucky nations have come into play.
-Endgame score divides by the number of instances that the player has become Lucky.

That's it.

-Only one Lucky civ per Era.
-A civ loses it's Lucky title at specific intervals and the title is assigned to another civ at random.
(1 AD, 1000 AD, 1450 AD, 1700 AD, 1800 AD, 1900 AD)
-This is a game option for those who want it. Lucky civs are not enabled by default.

Otherwise, I'm going to give a resounding no to this idea,
and reiterate my stance alongside merijn & DC123456789.

merijn_v1 said:

But now serious. Titles are cool in SoI. But that's because it fit's SoI because SoI is only a regional mod. They just won't fit DoC.

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That's what I said about URVs, but noooooo they're so cool and stuff grumblegrumblegrumble

I like citis suggestions + yurisusuki's dictatorship of the protelariat + my leader of the free world. Titles enrich the game. There should be am option to turn them of if you dont like them. Good compromise for all of you?

Leoreth, what do you think of this?