Cultural Diversity

sss64sss · Jan 2, 2016

Tried finding some more:

Some basic scenes (It seems Plains ones are easy to find:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7fKWb57e1...tQ/s1600/potawatomi+encampment+Lake+Huron.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Charles_M._Russell,_Water_for_Camp.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3174/2968471334_f782eed5b1_b.jpg

I tried to find some futuristic scenes for them (I didn't use Native American specifically when searching these, so some might not fit 100%)
http://orig07.deviantart.net/0d04/f/2011/089/4/3/desert_base_by_hardyguardy-d3csnpg.jpg
http://img12.nnm.me/6/6/c/e/a/77ac8e7ad4ca026097367fa080b.jpg (The water and long ships kind of made me think PNW with canoes)
http://sf.co.ua/2012/wallpaper-1983599.jpg
http://d28mt5n9lkji5m.cloudfront.net/i/V2r3_zEbtI.jpg

Maybe modern or atomic? Not sure if it'll work as a splashscreen, but:
http://img07.deviantart.net/f71f/i/2012/068/5/8/end_of_the_road_by_deskridge-d4s7sie.jpg

I'll try to get some more and some for Britain if you're still doing them tomorrow.

sss64sss · Jan 2, 2016

Found some more.

Southwestern:
http://img05.deviantart.net/9b7e/i/2013/293/7/0/desert_mine__quicksketch_by_fallonart-d6r8l62.png
http://golan-home.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/adobe1.jpg
http://cdn.mntm.me/82/67/7f/Santa_F...Mexico-82677fcb451d429da9d5ed9f97265d66_c.jpg

Maybe Woodland Industrial or Enlightenment:
http://s23.photobucket.com/user/cegorach/media/IndianieAmerykanskaRewolucja.jpg.html

Not sure with the last two:
https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/jean-nicolet-meeting-the-sea-people.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ccB0-Acg6...AACE/ayEerEKbZ14/s1600/The+Great+Treatysm.jpg

EDIT: Also found some pictures which I wasn't sure if they'd be too colonial to work or not:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...n_the_Willamette_River_Amon_Carter_Museum.jpg
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki...aty_of_Penn_with_Benjamin_West_a_painting.jpg
https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/signing-the-treaty-with-the-indians.jpg

EDIT: And another
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FwAuLj1ZE...Z15-F5CBIyY/s1600/tribalfantastique_1+(2).jpg

Skaz881 · Jan 3, 2016

Kesler said:
Music from the CD Soundtrack doesn't seem to play. Does that sound like a mod incompatibility, or just needing to update CD?

I'm having this problem too. I was playing as the Celts but only the standard music played. I disabled everything else to be sure.

Edit: I found the problem, but it's a really weird one. Apparently if I make any edits to the files, the soundtrack stops working.

Clad in Plaid · Jan 3, 2016

Is there a way to add more music to cultures? If so, I would like to know.

Also: I dunno if this has been fixed because I noticed it a while ago, but the Roman embarkation graphics used cannons in the Classical era. It was confusing that they lost against my triremes, even with their superior firepower.

EDIT: Another question I forgot, is there a distinction between peace and war themes for CD music? I know there is for vanilla, but not sure about the mod.

JFD · Jan 5, 2016

sss64sss said:
Found some more.

Southwestern:
http://img05.deviantart.net/9b7e/i/2013/293/7/0/desert_mine__quicksketch_by_fallonart-d6r8l62.png
http://golan-home.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/adobe1.jpg
http://cdn.mntm.me/82/67/7f/Santa_F...Mexico-82677fcb451d429da9d5ed9f97265d66_c.jpg

Maybe Woodland Industrial or Enlightenment:
http://s23.photobucket.com/user/cegorach/media/IndianieAmerykanskaRewolucja.jpg.html

Not sure with the last two:
https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/jean-nicolet-meeting-the-sea-people.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ccB0-Acg6...AACE/ayEerEKbZ14/s1600/The+Great+Treatysm.jpg

EDIT: Also found some pictures which I wasn't sure if they'd be too colonial to work or not:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...n_the_Willamette_River_Amon_Carter_Museum.jpg
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki...aty_of_Penn_with_Benjamin_West_a_painting.jpg
https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/signing-the-treaty-with-the-indians.jpg

EDIT: And another
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FwAuLj1ZE...Z15-F5CBIyY/s1600/tribalfantastique_1+(2).jpg

Thank you! I'll look over these in good time. And I do still hope to do a English sub-group eventually, so anything you can contribute would be fantastic.

Skaz881 said:
I'm having this problem too. I was playing as the Celts but only the standard music played. I disabled everything else to be sure.

Edit: I found the problem, but it's a really weird one. Apparently if I make any edits to the files, the soundtrack stops working.

Probably you made a syntax error

If you want, you can provide either your edit(s) or your Database log and I can help find the issue.

Clad in Plaid said:
Is there a way to add more music to cultures? If so, I would like to know.

Also: I dunno if this has been fixed because I noticed it a while ago, but the Roman embarkation graphics used cannons in the Classical era. It was confusing that they lost against my triremes, even with their superior firepower.

EDIT: Another question I forgot, is there a distinction between peace and war themes for CD music? I know there is for vanilla, but not sure about the mod.

To existing cultures? Easiest way would be to propose them to me and I'll add them in the next Soundtrack update. I have a bunch of Celtic music to add, but because the Soundtrack update is so hefty, I'm waiting for a bit more. So anything you have, let me know.

Will take note and look into this! Thanks.

Yup, there is.

NiaoMeow said:
The TA split could look somthing like this:

Woodlands (free furs, but no trapping) (uses orenda/midewinwin icon from HR)

South East (needs better name) (Something to do with trade/Free caravan?/Free trade slot?) (IDK for icon/something like a mound?/Southern Cult icon from HR?)

Plains (gets regular bison bonus+ something else?) (Uses tipi as icon/Wakan Tanka icon from HR)

North East (free monument I think should be good) (needs better name) (Uses Sgaanaang icon from HR (Chinook/Haida religion))

South West (Free stone/Free stone works?/free pottery would be great, but it is taken) (needs better name) (I really don't know for this icon/some sort of pottery?)

As I said in my IA, there will be no new Culture groups, only sub-groups, and sub-groups have the same starting bonus and icon as their master group. The only distinction between sub-groups is in their soundtrack and splash screens.

Skaz881 · Jan 5, 2016

This is the file I modified. I was adding in civs that didn't have support and changing the names of a couple that have since been renamed.

Ragamuffin · Jan 5, 2016

Do you still plan to split Northern into Celtic and whatever the other one was, or was that scrapped?

Clad in Plaid · Jan 5, 2016

JFD said:
To existing cultures? Easiest way would be to propose them to me and I'll add them in the next Soundtrack update. I have a bunch of Celtic music to add, but because the Soundtrack update is so hefty, I'm waiting for a bit more. So anything you have, let me know.

I was thinking some of the tracks from War of the Vikings could fit in the Northern culture soundtrack. Some of the faster paced ones would be awesome to hear in the middle of war. Endless Legend also has a really good soundtrack worth looking at. And it is a far fetched hope of mine that you make a Soviet sub-culture for Totalitarian and fill the soundtrack with Red Alert and Freedom Fighters music

sss64sss · Jan 5, 2016

JFD · Jan 5, 2016

sss64sss said:
All right, so I think some of the Splash screens work for Britain already (Let me know if I accidentally counted one that doesn't or forgot one that did), so for ones that work, I'll try and find replacements for Western.

Classical (I wasn't sure if you'd prefer another forest picture or a picture of Roman Britain, so I found both):

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/af/1c/b0/af1cb048f98e72d08613f0cd9f3968bb.jpg
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/s...ence_of_britain/r_porchester_castle_recon.jpg
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/images/Britain/Romans/Canterbury_City01_full.jpg

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-rw7pd...900f4e6_l__50103.1405962376.1280.1280.JPG?c=2
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/28/01/b8/2801b833383a8bf285aa9216ce1a28eb.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o1jEWxnZN...AQ1Q/qe5YBfsBeCM/s1600/1876+Autumn+Forest.jpg

Medieval:
https://hdwallpapers.cat/wallpaper_...ract_ultra_3840x2160_hd-wallpaper-1592730.jpg
http://www.johndclare.net/KS3/images/Dirty_Old_Town.jpg
http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/M/M157/M157553.jpg
http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/Kersey-19571.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...sbury_reenactment_-_pre-clash_preparation.jpg
http://history.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/clovellhastingsstitched.jpg (This is actually William the Conqueror taking England, so it may not fit)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bCoH5WECNso/maxresdefault.jpg (Actually pretty low quality, couldn't find a big one that still had the detail)
I also found some castles, but they're photos
https://themidleages.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/medieval-english-castles.jpg
http://heidelblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/medieval-castle.jpg

Reinassance:
https://bemusedandbewildered.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/elizabeth_i_procession_portrait1.jpg
https://churchenglish.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/life-in-england.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ession_to_the_lists._Eglinton_Tournament..jpg
http://2851d2fbad102e10c664-1cb2d5b...kcdn.com/fb1feb2c75e0eef2578fccef4e20db4e.jpg
http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~vaucher/Genealogy/Documents/Asia/images/Fort_George.jpg (Might be too far ahead)

Or if you prefer the current one, I looked for some for Western Renaissance:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6dGUXkOrKd0/U5osKMExeBI/AAAAAAAABBo/SGkwvj98f9o/s1600/Ren+city+life.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Jacob_Gerritz._Loef_-_Frans_oorlogsschip.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/The_Somerset_House_Conference_19_August_1604.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Senyeres-Invencible-Plymouth.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...isz_Battle_between_England_and_Spain_1601.jpg

I think the current Enlightenment fits England pretty well, so here's some to replace the current Western one:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Salon_de_Madame_Geoffrin.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/La_familia_de_Felipe_V_(Van_Loo).jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/L4.jpg
http://www.jimcarsonstudio.com/asse...nteo of the Croatan, Roanoke Colony, 1587.jpg

Western Industrial (I keep running into a lot of black and white images):
http://www.fisica-interessante.com/image-files/revolucao_industrial.jpg (Kind of blurry)
http://stpaulscollege.ie/history/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Urbanisation.jpg
http://51ec5c0d06ef68842cbd-eb61d97....com/40FABF9E-3A10-4B28-BD64-06FAE4FE77B2.jpg (Technically England, but still works)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/McConnel_&_Company_mills,_about_1820.jpg (Again, England)

Western Modern:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Slussen,_vykort_tidigt_1900-tal.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Eyx1rq4MxhY/TwJvmgJ-TNI/AAAAAAAAFQU/p5I6cJUwWw0/s1600/Stockholm+vasa.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PTUk9vm6N...olor+Photography+of+Early+1900s+Paris+(2).jpg

Western Atomic:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...,_Kodachrome_by_Chalmers_Butterfield_edit.jpg (England technically, but could still work)
https://ranwhenparkeddotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ranwhenparked-marseille-france-1950s-1.jpg
https://ranwhenparkeddotnet.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/marseille-1960s-ranwhenparked-3.jpg
http://www.style-wish.com/wp-conten...kyscraper-since-1970s-001-Tour-Triangle-4.jpg
http://vilnews.com/wp-content/uploads/scandinavia2_files/image048.jpg

Britain Information Era:
http://orig02.deviantart.net/1e77/f/2009/079/8/8/postcard_from_london_by_maronski.jpg
http://images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/132000/620x/51132.jpg
http://a.36krcnd.com/photo/2014/aad63be2583f7627dc61638a78f1fdac.jpg

All I got for now.

Cheers

Clad in Plaid said:
I was thinking some of the tracks from War of the Vikings could fit in the Northern culture soundtrack. Some of the faster paced ones would be awesome to hear in the middle of war. Endless Legend also has a really good soundtrack worth looking at. And it is a far fetched hope of mine that you make a Soviet sub-culture for Totalitarian and fill the soundtrack with Red Alert and Freedom Fighters music

I'll look into these, thanks! I grab some Red Alert and FF music for Totalitarian anyway.

Ragamuffin said:
Do you still plan to split Northern into Celtic and whatever the other one was, or was that scrapped?

The formal split was scrapped, but there still exists the subgrouping.

Skaz881 said:
This is the file I modified. I was adding in civs that didn't have support and changing the names of a couple that have since been renamed.

Yup, you'd accidentally added an extra ' before the LEUGI_ISRAEL entry, which threw the file out. Here's the fixed copy. Also, could you tell me what civs you added support for/changed names? I can make these changes official in the next update.

sss64sss · Jan 5, 2016

It's no problem. Also, I had a few questions.

1. Are you looking to add more to the soundtrack? I was going to look for some to add some to a few groups to try and balance it out.
2. Related to above, do you need tracks for Britain?
3. I noticed the Papal states have their own splash screens, but they're in the civ itself. Do you plan on adding them to the core version of CulDiv? (Which would make Papal a sub-group, right)
4. How is Saharan coming along?
5. Do you still take event suggestions?

JFD · Jan 5, 2016

1. Certainly.
2. Yup, any and all.
3. Would probably be a good idea to move them there, since Innocent and Borgia.
4. It's not

5. For Mythical creatures, sure. Otherwise, I've got all the events I need.

sss64sss · Jan 5, 2016

Huh, I didn't realize Sahara was scrapped (I remember you mentioning you weren't adding any more groups and assumed Sahara was still in the clear). Oh well.
Btw, when I checked the Papal spashcreens, Industrial and Modern were the same. I can try and help with that later.

As for music,
Mesoamerican:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irfzs57h5OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiFljznibKo (This one's nice, even if you can faintly hear the crowd talking. You might have to cut out the part at the end though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxNn4T2OwPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkiYpqHOH8 (This one is actually two songs. It splits around 3:40. Sounds ok, even if the images in the vid start getting...less about Aztecs?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BZ5Jm8pC_g (Not really a song, but still sounds like it could provide ambiance. Gotta edit out the applause at the end)

Colonial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7VLTqGCOC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWmxmGd5eSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ppnhr6E_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfqlg0pYOd8

I'll have to look for more later, but I'm gonna have to do something atm. But of course, Britain should definitely have this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY

sss64sss · Jan 5, 2016

Skaz881 · Jan 5, 2016

JFD said:
Cheers

I'll look into these, thanks! I grab some Red Alert and FF music for Totalitarian anyway.

The formal split was scrapped, but there still exists the subgrouping.

Yup, you'd accidentally added an extra ' before the LEUGI_ISRAEL entry, which threw the file out. Here's the fixed copy. Also, could you tell me what civs you added support for/changed names? I can make these changes official in the next update.

Unfortunately you saved that as a text document instead of a sql so I can't directly download it to overwrite the file. The ones I added (excluding the ones I ported over from Anno Domini Are Chola, Oman and the ones I updated were Israel and Phoenicia.

sss64sss · Jan 6, 2016

Clad in Plaid · Jan 6, 2016

A few more considerations for the soundtrack:

Anno 1404

Stronghold Crusader (The Islamic folder is almost empty, and if you put Sandal Maker in I will love you)

Red Orchestra 2 (low/normal morale versions of the songs fit well with the Totalitarian soundtrack, both German and Soviet sides)

Rising Storm

Company of Heroes 1/2 (Good Colonial/Eastern war tracks)

sss64sss · Jan 6, 2016

Colonial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb7zSLQQicc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meVm1brUbhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UrV-ZaRc28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUHmPPPWlgY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKnNPZkqgRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8bXh4OkjI

I'll be back in a bit

Kesler · Jan 6, 2016

sss64sss said:
nvm, I have more time now.

Britain (I don't know how you feel about vocal tracks, but I assume they're fine, seeing as Bantu, Southern, and even Japan have some):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST353mDWL3Q (A pretty useful list, though I didn't listen to the whole thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVSpY8xY9I (Splits into two versions at about 2:19)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG27BKwjaI or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caP7VY5trw8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tW0QqiT2LU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33kZaftz8sE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayiydam4nCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwSBEWY1sEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NXFCDgyanA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaJ4b0XYmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UvesKl8_W8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFUkIAnE6dA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAohiRL1_nI

I'll look for more Britain later.

That one hour of music is a great source!

I Vow to Me is such a great song. That's Victoria's Theme however, so using the vocal version (fantastic as it is) probably is a no go.

And that orchestral version of Vow is literally Victoria's Theme

These wouldn't work in game, due to singing, but enjoyable as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvouc8Qs_MI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T80_laJ-B90

Here are some actual suggestions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdW08VJ0GaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M85QYuj1FOw
And that channel is actually a great source of music!
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheClassicalSymphony/videos

I'd like to forward this song for the Colonial type too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxkqIdcnp8o&list=FL2RoG0bMbB8eBLIKdQVmArA&index=2

Edit: So we need more music for these catagories

Spoiler :

JFD · Jan 6, 2016

Kesler said:
1. Colonial
2. Britannia
3. Celtic
4. Germanic-Norse
5. Southern (just a bit)
5. Western (There's only one song)
6. Bantu
7. West Africa
8. Andean
9. Katuji
10. Meso
11. Bharata
12. Mandala
13. Oriental (Non Japanese)
14. Steppe
15. Polar
16. Sahul
17. Islamic (only 3 songs)
18. Mesopatamic
19. Egyptian
20. Semetic (only 5 songs)

Remember that there are like 20-30 songs for Western, Islamic, etc. from the vanilla.

Cultural Diversity

Warlord

Warlord

History Major

Chieftain

Kathigitarkh

History Major

Attachments

Warlord

Chieftain

Warlord

Kathigitarkh

Warlord

Kathigitarkh

Warlord

Warlord

History Major

Warlord

Chieftain

Warlord

Master Kekkler

Kathigitarkh