Public Opinion on a New Community Expansion

[IMG=left]http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=373245&stc=1&d=1396979798[/IMG] In the Modding Forums , we've been talking about a proposed community-built expansion pack...


The fact is we haven't fully settled on the name yet.
That's where you come in!

After some intense discussion on the thread about what to name the expansion, what new civs, what scenarios, and so forth, I decided to get the public's opinion on it.

So here's the summary:

• The new expansion pack will be named either Rise of Empires [ROE] or Dawn of Dynasties [DOD].
• It will be primarily WWI-based. Seeing as how G&K was tailored for the Ancient - Medieval eras and BNW for Atomic - Information, we decided to make this one fill the gap: Renaissance - Modern.
• The expansion will center around colonialism, exploration and imperialism.
• More civ diversity - i.e., A 3rd Unique Component for each civilization. Likely we'll just absorb mrc2022's WIP 3rd Unique Component Project into the expansion.
• More techs will be included and Scientific Victory will be expanded.
• Balance, balance, balance!
• Everything dysfunctional to some degree - World Congress and Defensive Pacts were mentioned - especially those added by BNW, will be reworked.

What we have yet to decide on:

• Exactly what civs will be included?
• What scenarios should be included?
• Should a new yield be added?
• Which techs should be added and how will we expand Scientific Victory?
• How many civs should we include? Firaxis-standard 9 or a full 17 (bringing the total to 60)?
• Should random events - like those in Civ4 - be added?
• Which new wonders?
• And of course... Which name to use?
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The Votes:

FOR OTHER NAMES:
- Empires & Dynasties : 1
- The Great War : 1
- Blood & Iron : 2

I'm bit of neutral in here, though I prefer Dawn of Dynasties a bit over Rise of Empires. It's just too generic. What about a combination of these two: Empires & Dynasties?

What we have yet to decide on:

Exactly what civs will be included?
What scenarios should be included?
Should a new yield be added?
Which techs should be added and how will we expand Scientific Victory?
How many civs should we include? Firaxis-standard 9 or a full 17 (bringing the total to 60)?
Should random events - like those in Civ4 - be added?
Which new wonders?
Should more religions - such as those from Tomatekh's Historical Religions - be incorporated?
And of course... Which name to use?

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1) I believe Viregel settled on a fairly good list.
3) That's seems superfluous. And it's not easy.
5) If you must add new civs make it 9. This shouldn't be treated as a way to glorify certain modded civs over others. Adding custom civs from different authors into a pack inadvertently does so, but it's more tolerable when its a smaller number.
6) No. There is a clear division over random events and forcing them on a player is not good community.
8) Similar to the above. If people want more religions, they'll get Tomatekh's mod. Otherwise, it doesn't serve any cohesive function within the theme of this composition.
9) I don't understand the reasoning behind Dawn of Dynasties. It is not the dawn of dynasties; it is, in fact, the opposite. During the 18th and 19th centuries, the conception of nationalism and nation-states is forcing out the concept of fealty and centralized rule in the traditional sense. In addition, many historic dynasties - Hapsburgs, Bourbons, Romanovs, Nassau, Hohenzollen, etc. - were either being dethroned or significantly weakened.

So this will actually be a giant Mod?
Or a real thing?

I love new Content and since Firaxis isnt adding anything at the moment some updates will keep the game even more fresh and replayable. ^^

JFD said:

8) Similar to the above. If people want more religions, they'll get Tomatekh's mod. Otherwise, it doesn't serve any cohesive function within the theme of this composition.

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Should more religions - such as those from Tomatekh's Historical Religions - be incorporated?

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EDIT: Eh, I'll take it out.

JFD said:

9) I don't understand the reasoning behind Dawn of Dynasties. It is not the dawn of dynasties; it is, in fact, the opposite. During the 18th and 19th centuries, the conception of nationalism and nation-states is forcing out the concept of fealty and centralized rule in the traditional sense. In addition, many historic dynasties - Hapsburgs, Bourbons, Romanovs, Nassau, Hohenzollen, etc. - were either being dethroned or significantly weakened.

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Yes, I may have not taken that into account when I suggested the name yesterday. At any rate, I thought the expansion was supposed to include the Renaissance - Industrial time frame, in which many of those dynasties were hitting their peak - Hapsburgs for example. But if you're still not satisfied with that, TPangolin suggested some other names:

• Global Dynasties
• Upon Distant Shores
• Beyond the Horizon
• Dawn of Dynasties
• Terra Nova
• Empires Rising
• Age of Enlightenment

Hakuoh said:

So this will actually be a giant Mod?

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Yes, pretty much. A very, very, very large mod.
Your thoughts?

AgressiveWimp said:

Yes, pretty much. A very, very, very large mod.
Your thoughts?

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Like i said above i totally would love new Content added to the game despite iam not a big fan or user of Mods in Civ. I would insta buy anything new that Firaxis would release.

Would this be mac compatible by any chance?

AgressiveWimp said:

Yes, I may have not taken that into account when I suggested the name yesterday. At any rate, I thought the expansion was supposed to include the Renaissance - Industrial time frame, in which many of those dynasties were hitting their peak - Hapsburgs for example.

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Viregel conceived this pack with the focus of the Great War. This idea may have been swept up, however.

Based on the description "Primarily WWI based"; neither title seems to fit well.

So I voted other:

Civ V : The Great War

Civs to include:

Entente:

United Kingdom
France
Russia
Belgium (as a city state that starts allied to France who starts with 300 influence points)
Serbia (as a city state that starts allied to Russia who starts with 300 influence points)

Central Powers:

German Empire
Austrian-Hungarian Empire
Ottoman Empire

Start neutral:
Italy
US (But I'd only include the NE part of the US on the map at all)
Switzerland (playable by AI only; will not sign open borders only purpose to to keep Germany from attacking France via the Alps)
Netherlands (playable by AI only; will not sign open borders only purpose is to discourage Germany from attacking Belgium via the Netherlands)

I'd have to look up which side if any Greece started on.

Players that lose X% of cities free to try to attempt to make peace.

The other threaters wouldn't be on the map; so no need to include Japan which used the war to help itself to some German colonies.

Start the month that WWI did
Every turn being one month

It also occurs to me that all troops should cost a population point along with a rule that cities below size X can't build new units because what ended the war was that Germany ran out of reserves. (They were still deep into enemy territory when the war ended)

The normal pop based happiness system should be suspended entirely.
It would start high (at least 100)
Instead every time you lose a unit it should cause happiness to decrease by 1.
Every time you lose a city, it should cause happiness to decrease by the population size of the city.

The usual happiness becoming too negative causes rebels should occur.

In addition, if happiness continues to drop and goes low enough a special event would trigger causing the civ to surrender to the other side

Sweet! If/when this happens, it'll be great!

Now, name-wise, I went "Rise of Empires"; seems to go well with the theme of the expansion while simultaneously suggesting things like AoE III (which fits the time period, more-or-less).

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I think you mean Entente.

I voted Rise of Empires. I assume you'll do 2 scenarios. These I suggest:
Scramble for the Pacific(name needed):
Include the nations that heavily colonized the Pacific, as it certainly fits the theme of the expansion, & there already is a map for much of the Pacific. Civs would include: America, Japan, Netherlands, England(Australia?), France, Germany(I think?), etc. perhaps a Polynesia as the natives.
The Great War:
A scenario of World War 1. Pretty self-explanatory. Civs like Germany, Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, America, England, France, Greece, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Russia, etc.
New Civs:
Australia, Canada, Mexico, New Zealand, Argentina, Cherokee, Boers, South Africa, Nubia

Just a few ideas, & by the way, if this ever happens I will TOTALLY give it a download.

Write-in for "Blood and Iron." Fits an age of imperialism/WW1 focus.

I think that the guerillas from civilization 2 could be brought back. Whenever a city gets captured and the victim civilization has the required social policy for guerillas or technology, guerillas pop out of the captured city.

I figured the next EP should focus on the future (more like a Mass Effect timeline) future.
Other than that, it's not much of an interest to me.

I'd go with this.

I think Empires Rising sounds better than Rise of Empires, it's suck a tacky cliched name (Rise of)...

Ideas for scenarios:

The Russian civil war, the Bolsheviks vs. the White, plus western allies. Defend the revolution or crush it in its cradle.

The Spanish civil war, the Republicans vs. the Nationalist.

The South American war of independence, various South American nations vs. Spanish colonial empire.

The Franco-Prussian war, France vs. Prussia (Technically the North German Confederation). Inspiration could be drawn from the BNW US civil war scenario, since it's also a two side thing and historically there is only 5 years between the US civil war an the Franco-Prussian war.

Way to go!!! Maybe if we show enough interest, and you do most of the groundwork for them, they will put out 1 more expansion!

I miss the random events so much! And for those who hated them (I understand why, don't agree, but do understand), just make it a feature you can turn off like goody huts or barbarians.