God is often conceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith.[1] The concept of God as described by theologians commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity (being of God is identical to the "attributes" of God), and eternal and necessary existence.
I hope to find here some serious fellow mortals and talk about death. For some reason I always had a profound philosophical interest in subject of human mortality and would always find myself in minority while trying to discuss this topic in depth. Females get scarred and would shut me up. Smart males would come up with some kind of smart sophisms. Stupid males would come up with some kind of stupid jokes. But it's alright. As long as you mean what you say I would like to hear your thoughts.
Obviously I have my own thoughts, which I will present gradually in my Death Threads. So let's start with my simple statement in the title: without Living God Almighty -- death becomes god almighty.
One can talk about death as human mortality (my main object of fascination), biological mortality, or death as "existence", in general, transforming into "non-existence". For right now I am not discussing Physical Vacuum.
Let's run a formal check of "attributes" highlighted in my wikipedia quote and see if they apply to death. We can also think if any other "being", "concept" or "idea" could remotely compete with powers that death enjoys in our reality.
omniscience Who knows all things? Certainly someone or something that was there before everything. Before Big Bang happened death was there. Non-existance knows what exactly happened 13.6 billion years ago. The mere fact that one can put a "time-tag" on existence, to talk about 13.6 billions (what a negligible number compared to infinity!) tells us that existence cannot know what was "before". What happened to all the anti-matter? I asked this question to the Nobel Prize Winner Dr. John Mather (his work helped cement the big-bang theory of the universe). "TBD", he said. He does not know. I don't know. Death knows.
omnipotence So, who's the almighty, if there is no Almighty. Death is. If something exists it is subservient to death, but not the other way around. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. Stillborn babies can attest that. Before you avoid being a father, but you cannot avoid the death of your child. Surely in our reality death is given more powers than anything else. Life did not had to happen on any planet but when it happened death assigned a time tag to every living thing. If something had beginning it must to have end, and yet not every end gives birth to the new beginning. Just because some asteroid destroys planet Earth does not mean that life will start somewhere else.
omnipresence you know it's there. Everywhere. we all came to existance by more or less same way. You need an egg cell from your mother to be present with sperm cell of your father. But you don't need anyone to be present when you die. You can die alone. You can die together. In a night club or in the church. During someone else's funeral and someone elses birth. You cannot live in space as you are but you can die as you are.
omnibenevolence Is it good that human mortality exists in our reality? Sure thing. Who the heck wants to live together in our reality? With everything else unchanged. Ever aging, suffering from Ebola with no cure and no way to die. Overpopulating Earth and suffering from hunger and pollution without actually dyeing. Death is good if there is no Living Good. It is. Don't even argue.
One can go over and over those things. Reiterate simplicity, eternal and necessary existence with more observations from our reality. But why bother? Why anything at all even matters, if we all going to die one day? Why would it even matter who is right and who is wrong in the reality where big asteroid can wipe off the humanity in a blink of a second? In the reality without Supreme Living Being live is inherently inferior to death, so nothing is really important. Who cares who is right or what is right, and if "right" even exist? Just enjoy staying in your death row chamber, while death didn't call you yet for your execution. We are all going to die some day!
Currently in Mexico the biggest 'saints' are the St Death ones, and particularly the female version, Santa Muerte.
It is likely they tie (ultimately) to the Aztec deity of Tezcatlipoca. Not sure what the average believer in those saints thinks of them, and i read it is likely they also rose to prominence due to the massive murder rates (cartel related as well).
In that case, what would your statement "Death is not something anyone can experience" mean? Would it mean that death is experienced differently by different people and it's a very personal and unique experience?
Indeed. This is the way this conversation usually proceeds.
I think we have to be careful with what we mean here.
If you want to distinguish between death (which for me is the ending of life) and so-called physical death where some kind of disembodied consciousness survives, then you're free to do so. Good luck with that.
That's depressing. It's worse than the Wheel of Time; every thousand years, a chosen one is reincarnated into the Dragon Reborn, who has to save the world from the Darkness that desires to break the world.
It goes on, and on, and on, because the Wheel will turn.
In the end, this kind of deals aren't exactly pleasant. There must be an end. Somewhere and somehow.
Otherwise you've got an impossibly long line of uncontrollable events that repeat every goddamned lifetime.
Let's run a formal check of "attributes" highlighted in my wikipedia quote and see if they apply to death. We can also think if any other "being", "concept" or "idea" could remotely compete with powers that death enjoys in our reality.
Yes, its life. Life is the winner here since no matter what death does to it it keeps "coming back", it evolves. If death was stronger life would have never appeared. But the truth is that life evolves due to the death as well. They work unisono. Death can exist only becouse of life not vice versa so the death is the younger one here so your question and subject of fascination should be life, me thinks...
Yes, its life. Life is the winner here since no matter what death does to it it keeps "coming back", it evolves. If death was stronger life would have never appeared. But the truth is that life evolves due to the death as well. They work unisono. Death can exist only becouse of life not vice versa so the death is the younger one here so your question and subject of fascination should be life, me thinks...
Finally one opinion without regular mental gymnastics of trying to sound original or funny
Well, I think I have already demonstrated that life is inferior to death on so many levels. You brought up evolution. Which means life goes from the state less perfect to more perfect. Death on the other hand is already perfect, it does not have to become more .. deadly. All your evolution can stop with one of those red dots in this fascinating video. But none of the green dots will recreate life.
Finally one opinion without regular mental gymnastics of trying to sound original or funny
Well, I think I have already demonstrated that life is inferior to death on so many levels. You brought up evolution. Which means life goes from the state less perfect to more perfect. Death on the other hand is already perfect, it does not have to become more .. deadly. All your evolution can stop with one of those red dots in this fascinating video. But none of the green dots will recreate life.
I am not seeing how death is the stable part of an infinitely altering progression of life In math there exist such relations, eg the Golden Spiral is the infinite and stable position of the Fibonacci spiral (and vice-versa in regards to nonstable states). But Death is not in any obvious way an eternal lack of change for the same spiral which was nearing eternally that equilibrium. It might be (assuming it makes sense to claim the being still is there, but in death, and changeless).
Quite disagree on the omniscience thing. Death appears to be an incredible destroyer of information. There are minds that have imperfectly cataloged reality and stored it in that space that we don't really understand (the mind). It certainly is knowledge, knowing what blue feels like. Post-death, that knowledge is gone. Specifically, the specific instance of knowledge.
Can knowledge exist without minds to comprehend it? In some senses, yes, but in other critical ways, no.
Importantly, you never know you're immortal. The best you can do is believe that you've temporarily reduced your odds of dying to a reasonably low level, over some specific threshold of time.
Immortality is a four dimensional definition. An embryo can be immortal if the future person arranges to not die. The baby was immortal already. You just never know if you are.
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In math there exist such relations, eg the Golden Spiral is the infinite and stable position of the Fibonacci spiral (and vice-versa in regards to nonstable states). But Death is not in any obvious way an eternal lack of change for the same spiral which was nearing eternally that equilibrium. It might be (assuming it makes sense to claim the being still is there, but in death, and changeless). 
