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[img=right]http://www.civfanatics.com/images/misc/minilogo_quattro.jpg[/img]The Civilization IV Hall of Fame has been updated. 56 games were accepted since the previous update.

Congratulations to Mad2rix for the highest score of the update with a Standard, Marathon, Chieftain, Domination game for 713981 points.

cseanny was the most active player during this update, submitting 8 games.

Only 3 players were brave enough to take on Deity this update:
kovacsflo - 1140 AD, Huge, Epic, Deity, Diplomatic game for 148879 points
Seraiel - Jan 2050 AD, Standard, Normal, Deity, Time game for 59515 points
Seraiel - 1370 AD, Large, Normal, Deity, Cultural game for 83354 points
Seraiel - 1050 AD, Standard, Epic, Deity, Diplomatic game for 131646 points
Seraiel - 575 BC, Standard, Epic, Deity, Religious game for 45173 points
Thlypsis - 1868 AD, Standard, Epic, Deity, Diplomatic game for 21103 points
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Gauntlet Results:
G-Minor 195 - Cultural, Noble, Ancient, Small, Normal, Pangaea (check options)
1st Gosha190 1230 AD
2nd elitetroops 1270 AD
3rd erikthecelt 1310 AD

** New Gauntlets Starting **
G-Minor 196 - Diplomatic, Monarch, Ancient, Tiny, Quick, Hemispheres, (check options)
 
A number of players gained number one positions:
kovacsflo with a 1140 AD, Huge, Epic, Deity, Diplomatic game for 148879 points.
Seraiel with a Jan 2050 AD, Standard, Normal, Deity, Time game for 59515 points.
Seraiel with a 1370 AD, Large, Normal, Deity, Cultural game for 83354 points.

kovacsflo with a 1410 AD, Huge, Quick, Immortal, Cultural game for 61113 points.
Sgtpeppers with a 1854 AD, Small, Quick, Immortal, Space Colony game for 94600 points.
The-Hawk with a Jan 2050 AD, Tiny, Normal, Immortal, Time game for 58041 points.
WastinTime with a 1745 AD, Huge, Quick, Immortal, Conquest game for 35234 points.

Sgtpeppers with a 1880 AD, Tiny, Normal, Emperor, Space Colony game for 61324 points.
Sgtpeppers with a 1360 AD, Small, Normal, Emperor, Diplomatic game for 30735 points.

Sgtpeppers with a 1320 AD, Small, Quick, Monarch, Diplomatic game for 23127 points.

erikthecelt with a 1794 AD, Large, Epic, Prince, Space Colony game for 80664 points.
Sgtpeppers with a 1868 AD, Tiny, Epic, Prince, Space Colony game for 41792 points.

Sgtpeppers with a 1500 AD, Tiny, Normal, Chieftain, Space Colony game for 87793 points.

NobleZarkon with a Jan 2050 AD, Duel, Epic, Settler, Time game for 17857 points.
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A number of players gained a composite table High Score (i.e. Any Condition):
Mad2rix with a 1454 AD, Standard, Marathon, Warlord, game for 388474 points.
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Denniz said:
A number of players gained number one positions:
Seraiel with a Jan 2050 AD, Standard, Normal, Deity, Time game for 59515 points.
Seraiel with a 1370 AD, Large, Normal, Deity, Cultural game for 83354 points.
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21 Deity #1's now :D
 
Oops! I didn't plan this. I only submitted one game this update, but somehow I jumped into QM first place again! By 0.1 points :) Seraiel must be to blame(credit ;)). He musta helped take points away from kovacsflo.
 
Denniz said:
Seraiel with a Jan 2050 AD, Standard, Normal, Deity, Time game for 59515 points.
Seraiel with a 1370 AD, Large, Normal, Deity, Cultural game for 83354 points.
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Nice score. I think it's the highest ever Normal speed Time game of any map size or difficulty.
 
WastinTime said:
Oops! I didn't plan this. I only submitted one game this update, but somehow I jumped into QM first place again! By 0.1 points :) Seraiel must be to blame(credit ;)). He musta helped take points away from kovacsflo.
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Actually that's the 2nd time you get back your throne with the help of Seraiel... In the recent updates he seemed to be systematically play against my slots except one single time game. I submitted a deity and an immortal game (both huge maps), while WastinTime submitted only one immortal one, but it was enough for him :sad:

And that 0.1 points is a joke. I still could finish my diplomatic game way earlier if I gained a great engineer if my capitol wasn't polluted by... guess what? 10% GA.

I don't deserve such a shame to be kicked back to the 2nd place.
 
Now that you got a confident lead again *cough cough* I've fulfilled my part of the contract, so all my #1's are safe from you for another half year. Was a pleasure allying with you again :) .

No, seriously: I took 1 #1 from you and 1 #1 from him. You now being in front by 0.1 is somehow epic ^^ .
 
It's not fair to play against two players. Obviously if a player want to be the 1st one in a slot normally he needs to take it away from someone. But why always the same player? There are plenty of players having slots on deity.

I add that other than his huge and large games, he submits some smaller map submissions as well. At least these games not compete with my results, because I don't have any smaller map slots on deity.
 
kovacsflo said:
Actually that's the 2nd time you get back your throne with the help of Seraiel... In the recent updates he seemed to be systematically play against my slots except one single time game. I submitted a deity and an immortal game (both huge maps), while WastinTime submitted only one immortal one, but it was enough for him :sad:

And that 0.1 points is a joke. I still could finish my diplomatic game way earlier if I gained a great engineer if my capitol wasn't polluted by... guess what? 10% GA.

I don't deserve such a shame to be kicked back to the 2nd place.
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Well, you still took 1 more slot from me than I took from you overall :)

There is some truth that I targetted your spots, but only because the dates invited me to it, and because you have always beaten me back +1.

Regarding luck: In the culture game which beat yours I only got 2 religions. Guess how fast I would have been, if I had gotten 3 or 4.

I btw. also took 1 slot from WastinTime, so you can't argue that I'm not also going against his Deity-dominance :) .
 
kovacsflo said:
It's not fair to play against two players. Obviously if a player want to be the 1st one in a slot normally he needs to take it away from someone. But why always the same player? There are plenty of players having slots on deity.

I add that other than his huge and large games, he submits some smaller map submissions as well. At least these games not compete with my results, because I don't have any smaller map slots on deity.
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In case that didn't come through: It was a joke (hinted to by the *cough cough* ) . WastinTime and me have no secret alliance. I'm taking equally from everybody and try to beat everyone that's listed under Deity at least once. You got various interesting #1 spots, so it's normal that I target you (too) .
 
Seraiel said:
all my #1's are safe from you for another half year.
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You have some 1st results with a relatively easily beatable date, such as these:

Huge:
1355 conq/epic (I could submit an 1140 conq game ON NORMAL speed).

1220 SS/marathon (well, a marathon game always takes a lot of time, but with the Incas 1000 AD can be reached).

Large:

1620 conq/normal (again: 1140 normal/huge).

1580 SS/epic (actually this is an impressive result, but not unbeatable at all).
 
I also don't see how I specifically target you more than others, except for that your finish-times are some that I actually can beat with investing more work. If you look at the amount of work I invest against certain slots though, you'll find that WastinTime losing his time game is a lot harder because I invested 100h+ into my game to make sure that the game will stand there until the end of the CIV HoF.

The culture game I played against you was a really short game otoh, and the finish date is very beatable by you. I actually found it hard to believe that the game got #1 anyhow, as you can see when reading the thread I made about it in the HoF forum.
 
kovacsflo said:
You have some 1st results with a relatively easily beatable date, such as these:

Huge:
1355 conq/epic (I could submit an 1140 conq game ON NORMAL speed).
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If you had read the writeup, you would have known that I played on a 2500 population terra map and didn't know that one can achieve conquest with having vassals.

1220 SS/marathon (well, a marathon game always takes a lot of time, but with the Incas 1000 AD can be reached).
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With Incans, 600 AD can be reached. The game you talk of was the highscore game I played over 2y ago which scored 3.6M and beat WastinTime's old highscore of 2.8M. It wasn't even a dedicated Spacerace.

Large:

1620 conq/normal (again: 1140 normal/huge).

1580 SS/epic (actually this is an impressive result, but not unbeatable at all).
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The Large / Normal game was for my video and it was a Conquest on a Boreal map. It was one of my best games ever, and wouldn't it have been on Boreal, it'd be a fixed position in HoF.

The 1580 SS epic was a peaceful REX game I played with Catherine about 2y ago. I've games that are definately better (but I also got games that are worse) . The game could probably be beaten without any problems if only playing another russian leader (Peter) .
 
You can take all those slots from me, but as long as you took 1 more slot from me than I took from you, I'll try to get back what I already had. You really cannot pretend that I started with this. Remember the Huge / Quick / Culture game which I played with the wrong CIV version which you took because you noticed that it'd be easy. From my perspective, that is very fair.
 
Seraiel said:
Regarding luck: In the culture game which beat yours I only got 2 religions. Guess how fast I would have been, if I had gotten 3 or 4.
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If you have plenty of GA's, 2 religions might be enough, as I had 2 religions either on my immortal game (which I played mainly to gain some scores with a rainforest map, which wasn't at all ideal). But other than that I know how annoying to wait for a religion spread to your cities and watching missionaries running through your cities.

Seraiel said:
I btw. also took 1 slot from WastinTime, so you can't argue that I'm not also going against his Deity-dominance :) .
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It is true, but you have ruined my game more and that's how WastinTime could get back his throne. Also the time game was a standard map one.
 
kovacsflo said:
If you have plenty of GA's, 2 religions might be enough, as I had 2 religions either on my immortal game (which I played mainly to gain some scores with a rainforest map, which wasn't at all ideal). But other than that I know how annoying to wait for a religion spread to your cities and watching missionaries running through your cities.

It is true, but you have ruined my game more and that's how WastinTime could get back his throne. Also the time game was a standard map one.
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That is not true. I ruined WastinTime's game a lot more than yours. Time-games are judged by score, I scored 10 times higher than WastinTime. The culture game should have left you with at least 80 points, that's probably 10 times more than WastinTime's now has on the time-slot.
 
Seraiel said:
You can take all those slots from me, but as long as you took 1 more slot from me than I took from you, I'll try to get back what I already had.
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You won't always be able to do so. I used to have some 1st slots with a cheesy result, but the majority of the remaining ones (on deity) can't easily be beaten, or with only a minimum margin which wouldn't cause much loss to me.
 
kovacsflo said:
You won't always be able to do so. I used to have some 1st slots with a cheesy result, but the majority of the remaining ones (on deity) can't easily be beaten, or with only a minimum margin which wouldn't cause much loss to me.
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If the other ones are tough to be beaten, it's less likely that I'll go for them, still you owe me one #1.

Also, you shouldn't underestimate me. I've become a lot better than since when I started, and now, I'm on my 2nd round of EQM-leaders, so I can play the strong leaders again. Don't forget that every single game you know from me is either so long ago that it cannot be compared, or was played with a weak leader and / or on suboptimal maps.

It's not that I hate you though like you may want to believe. The only person I don't like in HoF actually is Ironhead because I believe that he cheated, which actually was the main reason why I targetted him with the one and only Spacerace I ever played (and will target him again and again) .
 
Seraiel said:
That is not true. I ruined WastinTime's game a lot more than yours. Time-games are judged by score, I scored 10 times higher than WastinTime. The culture game should have left you with at least 80 points, that's probably 10 times more than WastinTime's now has on the time-slot.
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That's a good point, I apologize. Actually now I cannot see the real reason. What I haven't noticed is that WastinTime ruined a slot as well, so I lost 2 slots while submitting 2 games. Wastintime suffered 2 ruining as well while submitting only one game. Obviously this is a very rough calculation, but still... Is that anyone understands why the above mentioned events leaded to make my +0.7 advantage to a 0.1 defeat?
 
Seraiel said:
Don't forget that every single game you know from me is either so long ago that it cannot be compared, or was played with a weak leader and / or on suboptimal maps.
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That's what normally I aim to do as well, like when I played my cultural game on rainforest with Peter.

Seraiel said:
It's not that I hate you though like you may want to believe. The only person I don't like in HoF actually is Ironhead because I believe that he cheated, which actually was the main reason why I targetted him with the one and only Spacerace I ever played (and will target him again and again) .
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As far as I know Ironhead hasn't submitted a game for ages, and he was never a particularly active player. What made you suspecious about him?
 
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