Lets Play Deity: Willem

Revent · Jul 22, 2015

After trying BiC's game two times, I felt overwhelmed and realised I am not at that level yet so I thought of starting a game myself. I chose Willem because he is CRE which gives free border pops and FIN which is a 50% commerce boost on tiles that give 2 commerce and 33% boost on tiles with 3. Both will be useful in trying to manage the deity AI for someone new to the level.

If the marble was a plains hill, it may have been worth settling on it but I am leaning towards SIP.

Pangaea · Jul 22, 2015

Looks intriguing. Maybe I should try this game as I have zero chance to finish the 2nd game in the current G-Major in time. I am not comfortable on normal settings Deity and have leaned on great early UU when playing for the HoF, so this could be a good exercise for me, and see how badly the best players whip my arse

Unfortunately the trees look snowy, but think I'd move the warrior NW, to see if settling on the PH is an option. Losing the wet corn with nearby FPs would be a big trade-off :think:

SpK · Jul 22, 2015

I agree, move warrior to check, but Sip seems likely.
Too bad one of those hills isn't just a step close xD

sampsa · Jul 23, 2015

I'd be tempted to move the settler SW(-SW?)

Izuul · Jul 23, 2015

River financial sheep is a pretty good tile, but the apparent FPs to the SW are tempting. That might make it worthwhile to move SW onto the corn and perhaps settle somewhere down there on T1.

Seraiel · Jul 23, 2015

Revent stepping up on Deity

. Nice move buddy

. Will help as much as I can. Stepping SW seems to look good, but SIPing probably also works, even gets the Marble with the 2nd borderpop. Some more nice FIN Grassland + River-tiles would be nice.

Chase_2_Rabbits · Jul 23, 2015

Izuul said:
River financial sheep is a pretty good tile, but the apparent FPs to the SW are tempting. That might make it worthwhile to move SW onto the corn and perhaps settle somewhere down there on T1.

Pretty much my exact thoughts at first glance. It's a bit of a gamble, but as it stands we've only got 7 river squares to cottage. I guess if I'm Playing Properly then I'd just SiP. If I was just rolling maps looking for a good one then I might gamble and re-roll if it didn't work out.

What do others think about burning 2 or 3 turns at the start in order to explore with the settler? It seems intrinsically wrong to me to be wasting turns when we're already so many turns behind on deity; but perhaps it could be worth in spots like this where we have a solid SiP capital but could have a better one if we move and get lucky?

rah · Jul 23, 2015

If you check out SW, NW of the sheep could be a good 2nd/helper city.

Izuul · Jul 23, 2015

It's not a huge gamble as you still have wet corn and almost certainly some FPs or other river tiles. Still a bit of a gamble, but not like moving blindly away from the only visible food source or something like i've seen others do in the past.

Chase_2_Rabbits · Jul 23, 2015

Yeah, that's a fair point - as gambles go, it's not the riskiest.

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Played through to 475AD

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LoozerCiv · Jul 23, 2015

I would move the warrior SE. There's tundra to the north, so I'm not going that way, so the only real option for Warrior move is SE to see if there's anything that way. Probably would settle that direction either, though, as I wouldn't want to move away from the flood plains (unless I saw Gold to the East). Not sure that I would move the settler to have a look. 7 cottageable riverside tiles is pretty good by the time Beauro comes in, with enough food to work those and the mined hills for a good balance of commerce and hammers. Maybe won't hold up for a spacegame, but might be enough for something that ends earlier (which is most games). I don't feel the gamble in lost turns is worth it, when the SIP location is pretty good.

Revent · Jul 23, 2015

Wow! Lots of input! Very excited to play this one out

I went for the gamble because worst comes to worst, I will have wet corn and LOTS of food. First moved warrior NW and saw the plains deer and decided that it could make up a second city for the future instead and moved settler.

Gamble paid off

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Tech path. I think this capital may call for a slightly offbeat tech path. I normally rush for BW in most of my games since I normally have forest starts but hardly any forests here.

At the moment, I'm thinking Mining->TW->Pottery->Writing but that can change quickly!

Seraiel · Jul 23, 2015

@ Revent:

Path of research looks good. Not 100% sure though, because of Deity-Barbs, which enter your borders a lot earlier, because Deity-AIs start with an extra Settler, making 3 cities / civilization only take very few turns, therefore you're maybe better off with going BW or AH early.

SpK · Jul 23, 2015

Since you are not chopping out might go for those cottages first. You won't work the gold until you grow anyways
So wheel》pottery》mining》writing

Otherwise you might have dead worker turns, and a couple 3 :food:

3

tiles are not bad.

maybe worker》settler》worker

Or worker 》grow to 2》settler 》worker -get that gold in play soonest.

Balancing worker turns to tech growth is the biggie,
mining the gold and size 2 close to the same time.
Or assuming you settle that marble for your 2nd city, it will have plenty of production,
wheel》mining》pottery》writing
so roading to it and chopping it before doing much more than the gold in the capital isn't bad

Chase_2_Rabbits said:
What do others think about burning 2 or 3 turns at the start in order to explore with the settler? It seems intrinsically wrong to me to be wasting turns when we're already so many turns behind on deity; but perhaps it could be worth in spots like this where we have a solid SiP capital but could have a better one if we move and get lucky?

Getting lucky is right, but it depends how fast it pays back. That gold pays back 2 turns of lost commerce very nicely and since it is Deity, you are looking to trade, not lead the initial tech war,
Even with the gold, this spot grows faster on a good tech path.

Worst case you move, it fails, you die quick xD

Seraiel · Jul 23, 2015

TW -> Pottery -> Mining, how long does that take? He should have Mining early, to not let the Worker run out of work.

And a pro-tip: Don't select research until T5, gains you a Beaker usually :> .

Rusten · Jul 23, 2015

Revent said:
Gamble paid off

Not to stray too far off topic, but no, not really. After exploring the first turn you would've been better off turning back and settling on the PH 1SE of the corn. Desert gold isn't that great here. The early production boost from forests and earlier worker would be much more helpful.

While commerce is often overlooked and really essential for most deity starts it is not the bottleneck here. You are financial on a river ffs!

Cottaged FP (with financial) is much better than desert gold -- and you've given up the dream bureaucracy city.

But good luck with the game. :thumbsup:

SpK · Jul 23, 2015

Seraiel -

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Rusten

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Chase_2_Rabbits · Jul 24, 2015

Re: capital placement

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Played to 1100 AD

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Chase_2_Rabbits · Jul 24, 2015

1200 AD save attached, looking for advice. Obviously massive spoilers for those playing/thinking about playing the map, so I might have to wait if I want a second opinion...

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SpK · Jul 24, 2015

C2R

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Lets Play Deity: Willem

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