JRM visits Southshields

UKIPatriot · Nov 29, 2015

Link to video.

Just interested in what the non-Britons think about this video.

If you haven't watched it, Jacob Rees-Mogg, an extremely posh in voice+manner Tory visits a constituency which has never opted for the Conservatives in nearly 200 years of its existence. He speaks to people on the street and at a local bingo hall.

Valka D'Ur · Nov 29, 2015

Well, it looks like a pleasant place (always nice to see something of a country other than what's on various TV shows).

This is like a Liberal or NDP MP coming to my city, walking around, and asking about support.

Kyriakos · Nov 30, 2015

Southshields, as in south of the absolute hyperborea then?

Arwon · Nov 30, 2015

That can't be a person's real name

useless · Nov 30, 2015

JRM is a literal parody of the tory party and pretty terrible person when it comes to lgbt rights.

GoodSarmatian · Nov 30, 2015

Arwon said:
That can't be a person's real name

I thought it can't be a person's real voice/accent. Not only does it cross the fuzzy line between smart and smarmy, it then circles right back to clueless. I couldn't stand it for more than half a minute.
Maybe I'm being superficial, but you don't allow yourself to sound like this if you don't truly despise the common man.

warpus · Nov 30, 2015

Not British, watched most of the video.

Conclusion: People who vote based on political left vs right lines are idiots no matter what country they're from.

Valka D'Ur · Nov 30, 2015

warpus said:
Not British, watched most of the video.

Conclusion: People who vote based on political left vs right lines are idiots no matter what country they're from.

Thanks a lot. :huh:

I have never, nor will I ever, vote for a right-wing candidate. I usually have at least 3 other choices, and figure it out from there.

Antilogic · Nov 30, 2015

UKIPatriot?

That you, Quackers?

Silurian · Nov 30, 2015

at riot are you in the vid

Atticus · Nov 30, 2015

The guy looks familiar. Perhaps like young Michael Palin?

Kyriakos · Dec 1, 2015

^He doesn't look like Michael Palin at all, maybe you mean that Thuroux (or how it is spelled) guy?

TBH, a black labour MP (Blairite too

) of the late 90s had an even more posh pronounciation.
Also a middle eastern MP (not sure if he was an MP, though; maybe he was a spokesperson for some org)

Sometimes minority MPs go the full 'i am more english than you are and i speak the queen's proper english with perpetually raised eyebrows' route.

Borachio · Dec 1, 2015

GoodSarmatian said:
I thought it can't be a person's real voice/accent. Not only does it cross the fuzzy line between smart and smarmy, it then circles right back to clueless. I couldn't stand it for more than half a minute.
Maybe I'm being superficial, but you don't allow yourself to sound like this if you don't truly despise the common man.

It's interesting.

Accent is how the British overwhelmingly differentiate themselves into social classes. As soon as a British person opens their mouth they condemn themselves. (Doesn't the same thing happen in other countries?)

Rees-Mogg's accent isn't particularly extreme in my opinion. It's the pretty generic one that even Boris Johnson uses. I'm confident he went to prep and public school where they're taught to talk that way from the earliest age.

I've always found it curious that Scottish lairds talk with that same RP accent.

And unless you undergo intensive speech therapy, it's almost impossible to shift the accent you acquire in childhood.

Kyriakos · Dec 1, 2015

^Tone of voice does signify mentality/intelligence, but accents are pretty rare in Greece (amongs natives). And where existent (eg Crete) they were parodied to death and virtually abandoned. Local customs play the part of regional tradition far better anyway

Valka D'Ur · Dec 1, 2015

Borachio said:
It's interesting.

Accent is how the British overwhelmingly differentiate themselves into social classes. As soon as a British person opens their mouth they condemn themselves. (Doesn't the same thing happen in other countries?)

In the vast majority of cases, accents in Canada are indicators of what region a person is from, or ethnicity (if an immigrant or the child of immigrants who still speak their original language at home).

And no, we don't all say "eh." I find that really annoying.

The only place that particular combination of letters belongs is in lolpics (what is lolspeak for a litter of kittens? An "itteh-bitteh-kitteh-committeh").

Flying Pig · Dec 1, 2015

Borachio said:
It's interesting.

Accent is how the British overwhelmingly differentiate themselves into social classes. As soon as a British person opens their mouth they condemn themselves. (Doesn't the same thing happen in other countries?)

Rees-Mogg's accent isn't particularly extreme in my opinion. It's the pretty generic one that even Boris Johnson uses. I'm confident he went to prep and public school where they're taught to talk that way from the earliest age.

I've always found it curious that Scottish lairds talk with that same RP accent.

And unless you undergo intensive speech therapy, it's almost impossible to shift the accent you acquire in childhood.

It depends how you grow up. Servicemen nearly always end up with quite a sharp change - my own accent (Gloucestershire) is pretty much unrecognisable, though perhaps much easier to understand, as a result of years living, working and talking with people from all over the place. You generally end up with an odd mishmash of Geordie, vaguely East-of-England and an all-over 'flattening', which makes people at home think you're trying to sound posh. Officers have their own, which is public school (though not to the extent of a Tory minister) but with a distinctive, quite forceful inflection which is difficult to describe but an absolute give-away.

warpus · Dec 1, 2015

Valka D'Ur said:
Thanks a lot.

I have never, nor will I ever, vote for a right-wing candidate. I usually have at least 3 other choices, and figure it out from there.

I've seen you look at the candidates and reason your way through them, even though you never vote Conservative. I would never ever vote conservative either, because they're crazy, they care more about their ideology than making Canada work, and they stand for values I don't support.

I'm talking about people who stick to their party and are driven by ideology. I suppose it makes it hard to not get caught up in the silly left vs right distraction in countries where there are only 2 parties.. so maybe that wasn't a great generalization by me... but.. meh..

Borachio · Dec 1, 2015

Valka D'Ur said:
In the vast majority of cases, accents in Canada are indicators of what region a person is from, or ethnicity (if an immigrant or the child of immigrants who still speak their original language at home).

And no, we don't all say "eh." I find that really annoying.

Well, yes. An accent indicates what region a person is from in the UK too.

But the major social divide is between those with a regional accent and those who speak in RP. And the stronger the regional accent the more likely you are to be considered, and to consider yourself, lower class.

As for your "eh", I don't know quite what you mean. I write "Eh?" quite a lot instead of "Wut?" But I fancy you don't mean that.

Arwon · Dec 1, 2015

In Australia we barely have regional accents (there's a couple of phonemes ehich are imperfectly region-associated but that's it). We've got a socio-cultural spectrum of running from "broad" to "cultivated" that has a bit of a class connotation but is more associated with regional vs urban than anything else.

Bootstoots · Dec 1, 2015

Valka D'Ur said:
In the vast majority of cases, accents in Canada are indicators of what region a person is from, or ethnicity (if an immigrant or the child of immigrants who still speak their original language at home).

Can you tell whether someone is from the Maritimes, versus Ontario, versus the Prairies, versus BC? I've never noticed any accent differences among Anglophone Canadians - or really much difference between Canadians and Minnesotans, for that matter - but maybe a Canadian can pick up on them.

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