Dismounted Llama Archer

This is a multi figure unit of Dom Pedro's Llama, and the Incan Archer from the American Collection, compiled by Steph. Thanks guys. I think it's appropriate to post it in this forum, and not multi-figure units, because it is the equivlant of the conbquistador: two figure, one that completes it, not multi figure of one unit. This unit was made for the ICW scenario, but feel free to use it. Okay, enough said.

Death Preview (final version is faster, and yes, the Llama does abandon that poor archer):


Attack Preview (final version is faster):


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Great, Gogf. You are mastering unit creation promptly. Good for you and thanks from users of your units !

Just hope i'll do my own animal unit some day, too.

(I though, that could be realistic and interesting to have "barbarian" great cats (of really good graphics like the fabulous dire_wolves by Embriodead) in your maps of ancient civs, for example - they played quite a role in early stages of human society as consumers of human meet asd would be more valuable for workers/settles attackers than currently present dino units, I think.

I've alsready included all the mesoamerican units (and now gonna include your incan llama archer) and dire_wolves intomy Mesoamerican mod (the latter - instread of barbarians) - looks great really Would be cool to have good-looking jaguars in the Jungles of Amazonka and pumas - all over

Well, you may want to get rid of the _ in the Dire_Wolves, because it would look awkward. I may be able to make a Puma or Jaguar at some point inthe future (don't expect anything too soon though).

Nice, that Llama runs away fast. No courage, shameful.

And yet another chapter of the Cowardly Llama has ended....

Excellent unit....

But I wonder what benefit the llama is giving these units. Do they ride them? Do they assist in the attack? Defense? Or are they just something to keep the men company on their long journeys across the lands?

Hey, cool llama

I'd presume, llamas carry spare weapon stuff for the soldgers untill the battle begins. And then just spin around and flush-off... with all the weapon with them ))

Right . The fact that the llamas are carrying weapons and maybe food, it allows for a smaller burden on the soldier (duh), and therefor allows the whole unit to travel at a faster speed.

Yeah, I doubt that they would help attack or defend. He high tails it out of there the first sign of trouble, .

I could make him run away in the attack animation, but that would seem odd.

Nah, it looks fine the way it is, IMHO.

Yeah it looks great. I was just trying to determine how to work its stats.

EDIT: 100th post!!! [dance]

Congrats Amesjustin! You're right, I forgot, there aren't separe attack, and defend animations. It would be pretty odd to see the llama walk up to the enemy, and then run off.

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as for the stats - I make the movement +1 in comparing with the corresponding non-llama unit (like inti-warrior and haevy Inti-warrior with llama) and +1 ôååñë and -1 defence - it's logical.
Also all my Incan units ahve no penalty in mountain/hill/desert terrain (ususally very harsh penalties for ordinary units like Spanish invadors).

Yes, that's how we're doind it in ICW. I assume "ôååñë" means defense? Sometimes +2 attack, and -2 defense.

I don't know even know how to type that, .

BTW: Gogf, please empty your inbox, I need to send you a message.

I used copy and paste . Okay, I'll empty it.

EDIT: Emptied.

If I may interject here about the advantages of the llamas...

consider for a moment the Aztecs who had no pack animals. They had a rather ingenius, but ultimately very fragile means of supplying their armies. They would send out runners to their tributary cities and villages and order the people along their planned route to have food and water ready for the army upon it's arrival in town. Failure to do so... well, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

If the Aztecs sent out an army 300,000 strong, 100,000 of those men would be carriers... nothing more. Sort of like a knight's squire for almost each one of the jaguar warriors. The rest carried their own supplies. As a result, they couldn't maximize their manpower for combat and they also moved rather slowly by comparison to armies that had pack animals. In reality, the Jaguar Warrior in Civ should get anything but an extra movement point.

This was also a very problematic means of supply because it meant that the Aztecs could not deviate from their planned route, and it also meant that once beyond their hegemonic borders, they had two or three days to win the war and return to friendly territory... thus, a prolonged siege of a city was nearly unheard of in Aztec warfare. The other problem was that any disruption in travel could be disastrous. On some occasions, the enemies felling cacti and trees in the narrow foot paths could wreck an entire campaign since time was of the essence.

It also became dangerous as in the case of when the Spanish showed up because it meant that many of the tributary regions suddenly rebelled and there was almost no way to supply the army at all.

The advantages of pack animals are thus readily apparent. They allow more versatility and ultimately enable longer campaigns and the freeing up of more men to fight those campaigns. And worse comes to worse, if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, you've got extra food for another week...