Sequel to StKNES2: Rags to Riches, Tribes to Empires (?)

Hey

This is mainly addressed to those who were in StKNES2: Rags to Riches, Tribes to Empires, but anyone who's interested is welcome to reply or whatever. I closed that NES because my access to Internet was strictly restricted and obnoxiously so, I might add. I did promise a sequel, however.

After rummaging through stuff, I found my HP Recovery disks.
Why does this have anything to do with a sequel?
Because I was able to use them to delete my hard drive and restart with a clean slate, which means that I have Paint again and because it's relatively "new" again, the computer isn't cluttered up [yet?] and so it's quite a bit faster than it was before the Recovery. That means that I can do the maps again and the update with more ease and less frustration as it is much less likely to freeze up. This is a relief since my class is going to Costa Rica next summer and I gotta save up money and start working and there would be no way for me to finance the trip AND a new computer all at once by myself and I'm entering my period of financial independence and I don't want to trouble my parents anymore.

Anyways, this means that I may be able to open the sequel MONTHS ahead of schedule, within the next coming week or so, even.

So I am making a poll now for the people that were in the first part about when I should start it or whether I should start it AT ALL.

Do not reserve nations, because I guarantee you that it's not gonna be ALL the same nations as they were at the end of the first part. And I won't/can't tell which old nations will be there or what new nations may emerge.

I CAN tell you that it's probably gonna be in the immediate pre-WW1 time period, or somewhere that it would be technologically, socially, and politically parallel to the turn of the century - the 1900s.

I think I already found the map I want to use on the Sticky thread for maps here, so it's good.

Anyways... there it is.
Vote/tell me if and/or when I should start it. Feel free to tell me if you are interested in joining it, but don't reserve any nations.
For any nation that still exists in the sequel that was in the first part a player-controlled nation, I will reserve for the player that controlled it - I will remember.

Awaiting eagerly your responses

As soon as possible; It would be great to (re)join. Hopefully China's still around.

as soon as possible, Death to the med. Alliance!!!!

I voted "Within next week" just so I can open this thread and see the vote results right away

Open it!!! Just make sure Babylon is there

i would join (as england or germany maybe?)

I would join.. Sounds interesting.. Maybe i should read the first thread.

I remember skimming through it recently

Yeah, for people who weren't in the first one or don't remember much in it, it would be good advice to take a look at the first page stats and at least skim over the rest of the thread, and also pay attention to the last 5 or so updates - roughly last 15 pages, maybe?

I will post a thread or post in here a general description and outline of important events between the last update of the first thread and the beginning of the sequel, but it would still be a good idea to at least have some idea of what happened even before this thousand-year "pause".

The rules from that, by the way are not set in stone. I'm trying to make them a little more simple, particularly those regarding trade, which has been something I've wrestled with throughout the first part as well.

I remember it all too clearly, i've been plotting vengeance on the med. Alliance ever since you closed ur nes......

You know, perhaps you caould allow us who were in the NES beforehand to give you an indication of where we were going. For example, my plan had been to release Indonesia and Australia as vassals, having them join the EAPP and the FTZ, and also build a wonder that basically erased the provincial lines so that all the people in the Republic would think of themselves as Chinese rather than Yangtze, Mandarin, or Korean.

i say just let kam do with wat he wants...it'll be a LOT more interesting .

doubt my dear prussia is anything more than a small city state by that age....

rome began as a city state, dun worry stalin, with ur skill, i see a Prussian Empire...i'll regret saying that....

/flex
Viva la Vatican and the Mediterannean alliance

Beginning outline of events in-between

OK I was doing the outline very detailed but after an hour I was still stuck in the Middle Ages (post-barbarian times) and I realized that it would take me days to finish an entire millenium and that's a waste of time, so now I'm doing concise bulletpoint-type outline.

okay! post wat you have so far!!!

TIMELINE - PART ONE

850-879: French War

• 852 - Belgium allies with Iceland and Britain against Vichy and the Mediterranean Alliance
• 855 - Gaul and Switzerland send troops to the front; Portugal and Spain begin dispute over Spaniard-populated areas
• 859 - Vichy troops, supported by Gauls and Swiss, launch first campaign into Normandy, which is routed by Belgian and Icelandic troops and turned back toward the fortifications; British troops land in Denmark to destroy the new regime that declared independence from Belgium; Portuguese and Spanish governments refuse to send troops to the Vichy Republic because of "internal difficulties"
• 861 - Danish King Albert II swears allegiance to Britain but refuses to submit to Belgium; Belgian troops imprison Albert and install his half-Belgian cousin Charles on the Danish throne, making Denmark a vassal of Belgium
• 863 - Sicilian troops lead the Vichy Army on a second campaign into Normandy, which also fails but with less casualties than the first; Portugal and Spain build up armies, possibly against each other
• 867 - British Navy leads invasion of southwestern Vichy as an assault from behind
• 868 - Gaullic troops defeat British invaders after months of battling
• 872 - Danish aristocrats rebel against King Charles I and attempt to free Albert from captivity
• 873 - Belgian troops crush Danish Uprising; Albert is taken to Britain - presumably executed
• 876 - Stalemate on the battlefields - front remains roughly along the fortifications; Albert's family is executed to eliminate any anti-Belgian heir to the throne; First skirmishes begin along the Portuguese-Spanish borders
• 878 - Belgian Army suffers major defeat after a successful drive through the fortifications, forcing Belgian withdrawal from the war
• 879 - Treaty of Paris is signed between participants of the war - the fortification line becomes the new Franco-Icelandic border (anything north of it remains Icelandic and anything south of it is part of Vichy Republic), Belgian dominance over Denmark is affirmed but Belgium is forced to recognize Rhineland's independence; Pope declares that he hopes that "Belgium will be able to turn the Danes toward the true way of the Lord", to the surprise of many of Sicily's Senators who fear that he made this statement because of sickness or old age

850-893: Polish Civil War

• 851 - Krakow and Warsaw unite into the Polish Imperium bent on reuniting Poland; Gdansk launches invasion of Pomerania
• 853 - Pomeranian Army, along with the mixed German and Polish Pomeranians, pushes the Gdansk armies out; Scandinavia sends troops to prevent the fall of its puppet in Gdansk
• 857 - Duchy of Gdansk invaded by the armies of the Polish Imperium; Poles in the city of Gdansk attack Scandinavian troops, who retaliate brutally, killing half of the city's population in reprisals
• 858 - Duke Casimir II of Gdansk requests withdrawal of Scandinavian troops, fearing that more repetitions of the previous year's massacres may occur; Polish Imperium's troops march toward Bohemia
• 861 - Bohemian King Miroslav refuses to hand over his kingdom to Poland and readies his troops to battle
• 864 - Polish riots paralyze Gdansk's economy; the Scandinavian Senate approves sending more troops to restore order and begins sending Swedes to balance the population of the Duchy; Polish and Bohemian armies clash near Teschen, resulting in a Polish victory and a Bohemian retreat
• 868 - Massacres become common daily occurences in Gdansk as Polish riots continue while constant immigration makes Swedes 67% of the Duchy's population
• 873 - Polish armies are routed east of Prague
• 876 - Pomerania signs peace with Gdansk; Polish Imperium recognizes Bohemian sovereignty and turns back toward Gdansk
• 881 - Gdansk forces are defeated south of the city by the Polish armies
• 882 - More Scandinavian troops pour into Gdansk and keep the Poles at bay; Poles, now in the minority of Gdansk, burn down 1/3 of the Swedes' houses, killing that much Swedes
• 884 - Polish Imperium annexes Slovakia
• 885 - Slovak Uprising begins
• 887 - Slovak Uprising ends, with Bratislava pillaged and half-destroyed
• 889 - Scandinavian troops make a successful final stand in Gdansk - the major defeat prompts the Polish Emperor to sign peace with Gdansk and Scandinavia, affirming the sovereignty of the Duchy of Gdansk now reduced territorially to just the city and the area immediately around it, although in reality Gdansk is now a Scandinavian puppet
• 890 - Polish Army launches a campaign to bring Pomerania back into the Imperium; Gdansk Poles launch another series of riots against the Swedes
• 891 - Final riots are quelled in Gdansk as the Scandinavian Army begins withdrawal; Stalemate at Pomerania's border between Polish and Pomeranian armies
• 893 - 150 Scandinavian troops remain in Gdansk as the Duchy trains its own army again, this time made up mainly of the Swedish settlers; Treaty of Krakow ends the Polish Civil War, with Pomerania as an independent republic, Gdansk as a Scandinavian puppet city-state, and Bohemia an independent kingdom while the rest of pre-Hun Poland is united again

• 851 - Hungarian Republic annexes most of pre-Hunnic Hungary
• 853 - Defeats force the Siamese to sign the unrevised Treaty of Saigon
• 854 - Uzbekistan collapses to the Huns, Tadzhikstan, and Kyrgyzstan
• 856 - In exchange for peace, Tadzhiks and Kyrgyzians give up their parts of Uzbekistan to the Huns
• 857 - Parts of Uzbekistan are handed over to the Mongolian empire by the Huns

857-860: East Prussian Uprising

• 857 - East Prussians under Russia revolt
• 858 - Much of East Prussia is under the insurgents' hands; Finland declares support of the Uprising
• 859 - Russian armies are prevented from entering the regions by Finnish troops
• 860 - East Prussian Uprising ends with success; Finland requests Right-of-Passage through the liberated areas

• 860 - India collapses to Greater Afghanistan
• 864 - Danes convert to Catholicism; East Prussian Senate grants ROP to Finland

865-880: Russo-Finnish War

• 865 - Finnish troops pass through East Prussia and invade Russia, with a successful campaign
• 866 - Tsar Ivan II flees Moscow to Minsk
• 867 - At the First Battle of Moscow, Finnish troops occupy the city
• 868 - The Tsar promises the Belarussians independence if they save Russia and, as an act of good faith, allows a Belarussian noble to be governor of Minsk
• 871 - Russian troops, along with Belarussian help, mount a massive counteroffensive towards Moscow
• 873 - At the Second Battle of Moscow, most of the Finnish invasion force is slaughtered by the Russian Muscovites, the Russian troops, and the Belarussian mercenaries
• 876 - Russia pushes Finland back almost to East Prussian borders
• 878 - East Prussia fortifies its borders; Tsar Ivan II allows the governor of Minsk to declare the Kingdom of Belarus as an independent nation
• 879 - Finnish troops flee across East Prussia; East Prussia fortifies its borders
• 880 - The two exhausted nations sign peace, with Russia retaining all its pre-war territories other than the free Belarus

• 870 - Ukrainians begin conversion to Byzantine Orthodoxy
• 873 - Nubian Empire proclaimed in Al Jawf
• 876 - Britain converts to Catholicisim
• 878 - Babylon converts to Islam
• 879 - Aborigines raid and capture Perth from the Chinese
• 880 - Aborigine Empire proclaimed in Perth

881-901: Iberian War

• 881 - Spaniards in Portugal begin rebellions and request help from the Spanish Republic
• 882 - Spanish Army invades Portugal with a partially successful campaign
• 884 - Bilbao falls to Spain; Portugal requests aid from the Mediterranean Alliance
• 885 - Sicily hosts a summit of non-Iberian Alliance members in Carthage to discuss the crisis
• 886 - The "Carthage Congress" disbands after deciding on noninterventionism but pledges to revisit the issue if the war does not end in 5 years; Portuguese troops launch reprisals against Spaniards still under Portuguese control
• 889 - Portuguese minority in Spain burns down the government's provincial headquarters in Valencia in protest of the war
• 890 - Portuguese mercenaries assassinate the leaders of the Spanish Senate, provoking a major political crisis in Madrid
• 891 - Spanish ships destroy the Portuguese Navy and blockade Lisbon; more attacks result in many surviving Senators stepping down from office and fleeing into obscuirty; Second Carthage Congress convenes
• 892 - Miguel Ferrera, a military leader, convinces the few remaining Senators to allow him to take over as Consul until the war ends; Bosnian delegation leaves the Congress in protest against the Papacy's calls for conversion to Catholicism
• 893 - The Congress fails again to bring a resolution to the war; Bosnia withdraws from the Mediterranean Alliance
• 895 - Consul Ferrera orders imprisonment of many prominent Portuguese in Spain; An attempt to take Lisbon fails and results in a Portuguese counteroffensive
• 897 - A Senator is discovered to be a spy for Portugal and is promptly executed; Spanish troops invade Portuguese Libya
• 898 - Consul Ferrera imprisons the other Senators and disbands the Senate as a temporary measure; Stalemate near Bilbao
• 899 - Many prominent Republicans are imprisoned in accordance with Ferrera's security measures; Portuguese Libya is overrun by the Spanish troops
• 900 - A Portuguese siege of Madrid devastates the city while the Spanish Army destroys the troops near Bilbao, prompting Consul Ferrera and Portuguese King to meet in Gibraltar to discuss peace
• 901 - Treaty of Gibraltar affirms Spanish control over northern Portugal (the areas, including Bilbao, in which Spaniards live) and the Portuguese colony in Libya

• 889 - Russia annexes Ukraine, with the permission of the Ukrainian King
• 895 - Famine begins in devastated Poland
• 897 - Khanate of Kazakhstan reunites most of pre-Hunnic Kazakhstan

899-905: Russo-Hunnic War

• 899 - Russia invades its former masters, the Huns, with overwhelming success as the scant Hun army flees eastward
• 904 - Russian troops reach Ural Confederacy but do not engage in hostilities with the Urals
• 905 - Although peace is not oficially signed, the Russian offensive ends with the capture of the last bits of land west of Ural and Kazakhstan

• 900 - Famine in Poland ends with sudden overabundent surpluses in crops, but more than half the population is dead or dying
• 903 - Consul Ferrera refuses to restore the Senate and relinquish his powers and declares himself Emperor Miguel I of a new Spanish Empire
• 904 - Portugal and Spain both pull out of the Mediterranean Alliance
• 905 - Incas form a government in Quito
• 907 - Iroquois League established in Montreal
• 908 - Majority of Russians converts to Byzantine Orthodoxy; Rhinelanders convert to Catholicism

916-926: German War

• 916 - Rhineland and Bavaria declare war on West Prussia, prompting East Prussia to send troops to help their beleaguered allies
• 918 - Frankfurt falls to Bavarian armies; Joint East-and-West Prussian counteroffensive is thwarted with the fall of Frankfurt
• 921 - Bavarian and Rhinelander troops besiege Berlin
• 923 - Prussians push invaders away from Berlin
• 925 - East and West Prussian Senates vote to unite the two realms
• 926 - Treaty of Berlin - Rhineland and Bavaria keep the lands they took except for Frankfurt which is restored as a Free City-State, and the Prussian Republic is formally established

• 926 - Seminole Empire declared at Miami
• 934 - Bavaria and Austria convert to Catholicism

940-975: Great Chinese War

• 940 - Mongolia invades China
• 941 - Korea declares independence and the Choson Republic with Mongolian support; China mounts counteroffensive
• 943 - Mongols break through Chinese armies and invade deep into Yangtze Province
• 946 - Mandarin components of the Chinese Army attack the Choson Republic
• 949 - Mandarin invasion repelled by Korean troops; Stalemates in Yangtze Province paralyze the Yangtze components of the Chinese Army and the Mongol Army
• 953 - Mongols reach Chengdu and hold the ground north of it
• 957 - Altay, Tibetese, Japanese, Shanghai, and Vietnamese pour into China all of a sudden after building up armies to help their ally
• 962 - Mongol invading armies destroyed in Yangtze Province by the Alliance
• 966 - Mongol armies fully pushed out of China
• 967 - Manchurian uprisings prevent the Allied troops from successfully invading Mongolia
• 969 - Manchurian uprisings bloom into a full Manchurian Revolution with the Manchurian upper class leading it
• 971 - Mongolia attacks Altay Mountain League and enslaves many people to bring back as servant-slaves for the Mongolian warlords and Emperor
• 973 - Mongolia withdraws from Altay Mountain League with devastation wreaked upon the mountain villages and settlements; Japanese invasion of Choson Republic thwarted by the Choson Navy and very bad weather; Manchurian Revolution collapses
• 974 - Mongolians begin converting to Buddhism, which was imported by the slaves from Altay
• 975 - Peace is declared - Choson Republic becomes independent, rest of China is maintained together, including Manchuria, pre-war borders

• 956 - Bohemia converts to Catholicism
• 969 - Pomerania converts to Catholicism
• 1000 - Poles who live on or near the eastern frontier and Slovaks convert to Byzantine Orthodoxy
• 1001 - Polish Emperor declares Catholicism as the official religion but allows Byzantine Orthodoxy in Slovakia and the eastern frontier
• 1034 - Duchy of Gdansk becomes Catholic
• 1042 - Scandinavia converts to Catholicism
• 1049 - Finland converts to Byzantine Orthodoxy; East Prussians convert to Byzantine Orthodoxy
• 1051 - Persia converts to Islam after holding out as a Zoroastrian country for years
• 1052 - Eastern Coptic Christianity ends with major conversions in the Middle East, making Western Coptism the one successor
• 1059 - Libyans convert en masse to Coptism
• 1065 - France gives full independence to Benghazi

1067-1071: Libyan Revolution

• 1067 - Led by Benghazi, Libyans throughout Gaullic, Spanish, and Roman Libya revolt, with major success in the opening months
• 1069 - Spaniards and Gauls flee Libya
• 1070 - Roman Colonial Army in Roman Libya is overwhelmed by the rebellious people
• 1071 - The Benghazi Republic becomes the Libyan Republic as the 3 Colonies are liberated and united

the polish civil war lasted for 43 years? And the French war lasted 29? wow, i wonder at the damage caused...

where are my mongols? don't they supose tog et much lands togehter with Huns in the stan areas?!