Presidential thread - The Grey House - Term 1

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Map Size: Large.
Map Type: Continents, 70% Water.
Map Settings: Random.
Barbarians: Raging.

Civilization: Persians.
# of Rivals: 11

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The journey begins.

The Fox Nest is founded next to a Lake, right were the Settler started (if I would have played again I would have moved it one tile to to the East, but I couldn't see the coast, so...). The Gold resources seemed to be just fine, and the closeness to spices was to our satisfaction.

The game turns went by and by Micromanging the Citizens I could get the warrior in about 5 turns Instead of 10 and losing only 1 Turn on the Growth.

The Warrior was sent first east and then along the Hills towards the south. Next it will go more east. These are the spots I consider Good city sites for the future. This will of course be discussed.

- The Pink spot is Probably the next City... if we decide so, I will build a road towards the location.

- The Blue spot is a little misplaced maybe. It should be moved to the Other spice spot, making it get more Water (more food and money), so it won't steal so many good spots from the other cities.

- The Yellow city, is placed so that it will get to share the "Game" with the Capital. Micromanagement you know, they can use it both every other turn. And to get the Forest tiles (future Grassland and Plains within the Mountains). But When discussed we Thought that One tile To the SE would be better...

Here is the Screenshot:


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I think the plans put the cities too close. I suggest some more exploration before any definite plans, but here's my idea for expansion.

These arrows should be explored

Previous city idea

This is the new idea for a city

Other than those, its the same.

NOTE: the silver was what was originaly suggested, greyfox changed his image

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Why should we build so close to the capital?

- It won't steal many tiles from the Capital.
Only the one it's built on and maybe One or Two more during the game.

- This city will first act as a Settler Factory.
And a Commerce producer later in the game. (As every Coastal and Sea tile produce atleast 2 Gold).

As Eyrei said:
"The fish will allow it to grow without a harbor, then it can use one grassland square to grow to size three, then a forest to finish the settler."

Here is the full text of last night's chat.

Ugh... we need *FOOD*.

The yellow city will be size *2*. MAX!! There's not a single 2-food square there, although I could be mis-reading the map. I'm not a fan of the blue one either, but that's a difference in start preference not a "clearly bad"/"clearly better". I give top priority of all squares to the capital, and do not like a squished core at all. (Again, mostly just a preference thing) So I'm sure we'll see SOME overlap, just please, no sardine core

Did I see right... is that a river down on a hill in the south?
If so, that's a *definite* and high priority site, if it has supporting food. In any case, I would urge choosing key next sites on the basis of food, not geometry. We can 'fill backwards' if needed.

We need more intel, asap! Scouts, scouts (warriors that is), get rid of all this blackness. We also need to know if we're on an island or a big continent -- that could have a big impact on a domestic settling plan (as well as my department ) With the food *this* bad, we need to explore a LOT more and soon. If there's a flood plains with wheat, even a dozen squares away, hidden in the fog, that is our settler farm.

Good discussion on the chat, and a lot of good input, sorry I couldn't make it.

General Charis

I think the plans put the cities too close. ]

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I agree we should expand our boarders as much as we can then move inland.

I don't remember having read this in the rules (yet), but it needs to be said.

Downloading the game and playing it to see what's going to happen it's a major violation of the code of rules of the democracy game! If discovered, the person will be banned from the forum (I don't remember for how long), and from the game (this were a more plausible in the civ2 game since the forum is restricted).

I'll ask Duck to put in the constitution, but I want to make everybody aware of this important point.

Edit: Grey, I suggest that everytime you post the game file you put some kind of warning (at least at this bveggining phase) to make everybody aware.

Good call Pggar ,i forgot to add that.

Thank's for being helpfull.

I understand the argumens for a dense build, although I don't generally use it myself. But in this case, I think the blue city might be too close even for that. As I understood the original discussion, the tight center was to develop 5-6 corruption free size 12 cities, rather than one massive capital. But in this case, we would have inner cities, without corruption, but so limited in size (by food/space/etc) that we would be wasting the corruption benefits on a city that might not hit size 6!

I definitely believe we must scout further before making a decision, and build further out to start establishing our borders. (Using a rushed library if possible!). We can always add in close cities later, once we know our situation and the geography better. As for a settler factory, I think we can find a better one if we keep looking.

The yellow arrow is not bad, maybe one further SE, if we can find fresh water to the east, those forests could be harvested and then irrigated to provide food. But that might take a while to really grow.

Just my humble opinions, as a loyal (but concerned) citizen. I think we will have a better idea after further exploration.

Originally posted by Justus II
I understand the argumens for a dense build, although I don't generally use it myself. But in this case, I think the blue city might be too close even for that. As I understood the original discussion, the tight center was to develop 5-6 corruption free size 12 cities, rather than one massive capital. But in this case, we would have inner cities, without corruption, but so limited in size (by food/space/etc) that we would be wasting the corruption benefits on a city that might not hit size 6!

I definitely believe we must scout further before making a decision, and build further out to start establishing our borders. (Using a rushed library if possible!). We can always add in close cities later, once we know our situation and the geography better. As for a settler factory, I think we can find a better one if we keep looking.

The yellow arrow is not bad, maybe one further SE, if we can find fresh water to the east, those forests could be harvested and then irrigated to provide food. But that might take a while to really grow.

Just my humble opinions, as a loyal (but concerned) citizen. I think we will have a better idea after further exploration.

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Your concerns are duly noted. I, in fact, generally favor a more spread out build. Further exploration will certainly happen before the yellow city is founded. However, I do believe that the blue city will be of great benefit to our nation, first as a settler factory, and then as a commerce center. It will not use any tiles that the capital would use, and will, albeit slowly, grow to a significant size once a harbor and aqueduct are constructed.

Originally posted by eyrei


Your concerns are duly noted. I, in fact, generally favor a more spread out build. Further exploration will certainly happen before the yellow city is founded. However, I do believe that the blue city will be of great benefit to our nation, first as a settler factory, and then as a commerce center. It will not use any tiles that the capital would use, and will, albeit slowly, grow to a significant size once a harbor and aqueduct are constructed.

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This is Correct. That city will almost only use water Tiles which the capital cannot reach.
And all Sea and Coastal tiles produce One extra food once you got an harbor, so that fish will support 2 citizens and every other sea and costal tile that city get it will have One other citizen. And at least 2 Gold per Citizen.

These ideas was only for the area I could see on the Very limited explored Map. So the Yellow city for example, will not be built in the near future.

/President Grey Fox

As a citizen, and the founder of the Spice Traders Guild (even though we only have spices! ), I also express my concern about the city cramming. I was never a fan of having another city in one's city radius. Plus, having the cities further apart would mean that the cities won't compete for production when it counts. Looking at the sketchy maps that my barterers (hey, trade hasn't been "discovered" yet. ), we don't have a wide area that is known to us. It would be a mistake to found a city, only to realize that the city radius (even the cultural border) is just out of reach.

I think we should build the intitial few cities close together to minimize corruption and build settlers quickly. Then, after that we can expand our borders faster.

Originally posted by Black Fluffy Lion
I think we should build the intitial few cities close together to minimize corruption and build settlers quickly. Then, after that we can expand our borders faster.

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At last someone who understands...

yeah, I tend to build the first few cities close together and then later ones spaced out more to get more teritory.

I agree with the dense build policy,and think the yellow city should be where the arrow is pointing,same goes for blue(we need a harbor)

I totally agree with the dense building strategy. Good micromanaging of our core-cities will rule out the problem of underdevelopment of our capitol. Dense building can provide a set of early well- developed cities, due to less corruption. I think the blue arrow point is a good location for the second city. The fast development can give us the edge... and that's what we need

We'll have to take some decissions soon....

My vote:.. Dense Building --> Go for the city-core

Well ,since there are very different oppinion's on the matter of city building ,maybe somebody should start a poll ,that is if they object to the decission of the president or domestic leader on their decission.