Nominations begin on the 24th day of the term

Isn't that today?!?

I nominate Cyc for Domestic Leader.

EDIT: Summary of nominations as of 11:33 PM GMT Sunday, April 28

NOTES: This is in no way intended to be an official list! Any errors are mine and mine alone. Nominees are listed in chronological order (whoever was nominated first is listed first, etc).

(KEY: S=seconded, A=nomination accepted, D=nomination declined)

President: Grey Fox (S, A), Eyrei, Shaitan (D)

Cultural Leader: Justius II (A), ssmith619 (D), Knight-Dragon

Domestic Leader: Cyc (D), Grey Fox (A), donsig (S, A), eyrei

Foreign Affairs Leader: Immortal (A), Shaitan (S, A)

Military Leader: Falcon02 (S, A), Charis (S, A)

Science Leader: Bill_in_PDX (A), Civanator (A)

Trade Leader: Chieftess, SirPleb (S, D), eyrei

At Large Cabinet Poistions (2): marshalljames, disorganizer (D), donsig (S, D), immortal (A), crabapple (A), chiefpaco (A), Daaraa, Stravinski, Ohwell, Citizen_K

Governor of Third provonce: donsig (D)

Further note: VP position not listed as the VP will be the runner up in the presidential election.

I would like to nominate Gray Fox for a second Term as our President

i second a grey fox presidency! GF!

Nominations:

Grey Fox - Domestic Leader
Eyrei - President
Falcon02 - Military Leader
Immortal - Foreign Minister

These nominations are based on perceived ability as well as chat turn attendance. I "mixed" Grey Fox and Eyrei because I'd love to see these two switch hats. They're both excellent players and statesmen.

Non-nominations:
Charis - I wanted to nominate Charis for President too but (like me) he has a problem getting to the chat.
Shaitan - I'd love to run for a second term as Foreign Minister but since I got the first term through raising my hand I'd feel wierd self nominating. I'm happy to back Immortal for this position though. He's exhibited an excellent grasp of the job and can represent the department in the chat turns.

I'd nominate : -

Charis for military leader
donsig for domestic leader
eyrei for vice president
Grey Fox for president (third nomination!)
Shaitan for foreign leader (since he won't self-nominate )

in no particular order of preference.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
I'd nominate : -
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Shaitan for foreign leader (since he won't self-nominate )

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Thank you muchly. You were posting this as I was editing my post to nominate Immortal for Foreign Minister. I'll accept of course! (Though I still think Immortal is an excellent choice for the spot. Perhaps we'll be working together again in term 2 )

In the opinion of the Cultural Minister, it is in the best interest of the nation to nominate both Justus II and ssmith619 for the position of Cultural Minister for the next election. I have no reservations in doing this. Both are good men and know the game. Consider this formal nominations.

I'll nominate:

Charis for military leader or Falcon02. Close call, but Falcon has been more to the chats.
Eyrei for domestic leader
Eyrei for vice president
Shaitan for foreign leader (2nd nomination).


Hmm, almost only the old ones at the same positions. But hey, they did a great job, and I couldn't think of anyone else doing it.

Unfortunately I cannot make the chat times as they are designated, so I will not be standing for election as trade leader.

I will nominate Shaitan for President.

Bill

I nominate Chieftess, our Head of the Spice Trader's guild for trade leader

As I write this post, addressing our nominations, I would like to say that I am honored, beyond compare, to be nominated for Domestic Leader. As stated in my current Cultural Report, I will not be seeking office this election. I must respectfully decline the nomination. I will have my hands full with the Museum approaching its Grand Opening and running the Last Chance Saloon. Also, I am scheduled for surgery. The doctors recommend surgically removing my head from my butt as soon as possible. I agree with this diagnosis and believe it will help me in posting here, as the procedure will allow me to look at the keys while I type. =8^]

In viewing the other nominations, I would like to summarize the DOC ‘s stance regarding the upcoming elections. We have 10 high- level seats on the ballot and 10 nominations. This could prove to be an interesting election. The DOC would like to add 6 more nominations to the list.

The President – Grey Fox of course. We need his eye for detail, his straightforward approach to seeking advice, and his strong military background on a move-by-move basis.
The Vice-President – Eyrei. If the Prez can’t make the call, we need Eyrei’s huge knowledge base right there, ready to step in. Even with the Prez online, the two work very well as a team and can use each other as a sounding board to bounce ideas off of until an appropriate decision is made. Eyrei’s work in organizing the infrastructure of the government has been invaluable and he thus needs the number 2 chair to expedite future plans.
Domestic Leader – Donsig. Here is a person who has put in countless hours collecting data and posting statistics, logistics, and advice. With a strong background in political science he will help us adhere to the constitutions provisions not only in the role of D/L, but in advising the Prez and the VP. A strong recommendation here.
Military Leader – Charis of course. Although he is usually unable to attend the chats, his writings are lengthy and articulate. In times of tension and confusion, he will spell out what he would like done. Another strong recommendation here as his straight forward approach in dealing with his department’s affairs does not leave you wondering if he will turn and run when he sees the whites of their eyes…
Foreign Affairs Leader – The DOC recommends Shaitan. He is fully aware of the responsibilities of the position and can outline options fairly quickly regarding foreign affairs. He has also become he writer of the amendments. Immortal is a strong consideration for the position, but I hope to see him stay as Mayor of Khatovar.
Trade Leader – We have a new voice on the scene in SirPleb. He has already made a post that garnered a strong following in an attempt to trade for peace. I’m sure with SirPleb’s knowledge of the game, he will make a fine Leader.
Science Leader – The DOC hopes that Bill_In_PDX will accept this nomination and win the position. Although Bill cannot attend the chats because of work, he has been there on a weekend or two. We need Bill’s assistance in moving our nation forward in difficult times. He has strong knowledge of the game and is not afraid to voice his opinion. The Science Leader position will not require Bill to be at chats regularly, but his writings help us form our strategies and they need the power of a chair.
Cultural Minister – The DOC has nominated Justus II and ssmith619 to fill both positions in the DOC in the upcoming election. Justus II, with his solid stance on issues, his vision, and determination to advance the Phoenatica nation culturally, along with ssmith619’s enthusiasm in developing these ideas and chat attendance, should prove to make a fine working team in the new DOC.
The 2 new “At Large” Cabinet Positions – While research nominations for these chairs I found 3 more previously nominated. They are Donsig, Immortal, and Marshalljames. Personally I believe Donsig and Immortal need stronger positions. I would also like to add my other 4 nominations here. These nominations are for the effort and involvement of these citizens in our forum. Not listed in any particular order: crabapple, chiefpaco, Daaraa, and Stravinski. This gives us 5 choices for two chairs.

Good Luck to all.

I would like to nominate Cyc for one of the at large cabinet positions, in hopes that he will be able to accept this post, as it carries less responsibility than the others.

Also, VP is not a position in and of itself, and has no power in and of itself, except in the COC. It is selected from the existing cabinet members, which, I guess means that this election must take place after the others. This position creates another problem. I believe the constitution says that the pres and vice pres are elected from the cabinet. It would stand to reason that the runner up in the presidential election would be vice pres. What happens if that person loses the election for a cabinet seat? I strongly suggest that the presidential election be held two to three days after the rest of them, to alleviate this problem. The other option would be to make the VP a separate position, possibly giving a cabinet vote and a governorship. Anyway, this needs to be resolved before the election begins, so please post your ideas.

I would also like to nominate Donsig for the governor of our third province, as we have quite a few over ten cities now. If the consitution allows, I would also like to nominate him for one of the at large cabinet positions. I believe that he and Cyc would make excellent representatives of the people.

Sorry eyrei, but i will have to disagree with you on the vp point you've made. the constitution clearly states other-wise.

Section B: Government

Point 1: There will be eight permanent Cabinet Members + Governors
Point 2: Six cabinet members head a department. Departments include President, Vice President, Domestic Leader, Foreign Minister, Military Leader, Science Leader ,culture leader and Trade Leader. Two cabinet members are "at-large" and are responsible only to the citizens and have no direct governmental responsibilities.

Although a little jumbled, this means the VP is a cabinet member.
hold on, i'll edit this in a bit.

Section C: Elections

Point 1: Terms last 30 days
Point 2: There are no Term Limits.
Point 3: President can only be elected from remaining cabinet members. Other department heads are elected from the citizens. Runner-ups for department heads automatically become deputy leaders for that area, for the term.

As point 3 states, the prez can only be elected from the remaining cabinet members (those that have not been impeached) from the previous cabinet. Obviously the cabinet is the gateway to the Presidency. The president is not elected from the newly elected cabinet members. If that were true, the President could be elected right off the street.

So basically the Prez and VP are voted upon at the same time as everyone else. The VP being a cabinet member.

Yeah, I am a bit confused about this Cyc. The Duck of Flanders said that the VP was one of the cabinet ministers. I'll search for the thread. He appointed me to it, and I always assumed that the only effect it had was that it would change the COC. I also assumed he appointed me to it because I was the domestic leader, so it would not effect the chain of command. It is a pointless position by itself, as it has no effect on the game unless the president is absent.

I'll check with the Duke of Marlborough to find out how this was done in the Civ2 game, as our constitution, except where we have changed it, is the same as theirs.

Originally posted by Cyc
Sorry eyrei, but i will have to disagree with you on the vp point you've made. the constitution clearly states other-wise.

Section B: Government

Point 1: There will be eight permanent Cabinet Members + Governors
Point 2: Six cabinet members head a department. Departments include President, Vice President, Domestic Leader, Foreign Minister, Military Leader, Science Leader ,culture leader and Trade Leader. Two cabinet members are "at-large" and are responsible only to the citizens and have no direct governmental responsibilities.

Although a little jumbled, this means the VP is a cabinet member.
hold on, i'll edit this in a bit.

Section C: Elections

Point 1: Terms last 30 days
Point 2: There are no Term Limits.
Point 3: President can only be elected from remaining cabinet members. Other department heads are elected from the citizens. Runner-ups for department heads automatically become deputy leaders for that area, for the term.

As point 3 states, the prez can only be elected from the remaining cabinet members (those that have not been impeached) from the previous cabinet. Obviously the cabinet is the gateway to the Presidency. The president is not elected from the newly elected cabinet members. If that were true, the President could be elected right off the street.

So basically the Prez and VP are voted upon at the same time as everyone else. The VP being a cabinet member.

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The problem remains the same. To become VP, you have to run for pres and be the runner up. To do this, you have to be a cabinet member from the previous term. Now, if you are runner up to the presidency, and lose your seat on the cabinet, you do not meet the requirements for VP.

This is all very confusing.

It is not a powerless position. Not only are you second in Command, you do have a cabinet vote, and a lot of juice when making recommendations (including calling for cabinet votes and impeachment). Besides all the pull you will get from being the VP, it pretty much looks like you'll also have the benifits of being Govenor of Istar and the mayor of Eyr. That's a lot of power Eyrei.
The Vice Presidency is a very prominent position.

Originally posted by Cyc
It is not a powerless position. Not only are you second in Command, you do have a cabinet vote, and a lot of juice when making recommendations (including calling for cabinet votes and impeachment). Besides all the pull you will get from being the VP, it pretty much looks like you'll also have the benifits of being Govenor of Istar and the mayor of Eyr. That's a lot of power Eyrei.
The Vice Presidency is a very prominent position.

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The governor of Istar will be the domestic leader, whoever that may be. If you are right about the VP having a cabinet vote (I still think it is an added title for one of the leaders), then all we would need to add to the position would be a governorship. Since it is clearly stated in the constitution that the domestic leader is the governor of the first province, I suggest the VP be governor of one of the other provinces.

Speaking of governors, I suggest we do not force Skilord to face reelection already, as he really just started his term.

NO. This is not confusing Eyrei. Take some deep breaths. Stop confusing other people.

The VP is a Cabinet member. The reason Duck appointed you was because you were the first one and your politics agreed with his. He needed to fill the position and you were his best choice. The constitution states the VP position needs to be elected.

Quote from Eyrei:
"The problem remains the same. To become VP, you have to run for pres and be the runner up. To do this, you have to be a cabinet member from the previous term. Now, if you are runner up to the presidency, and lose your seat on the cabinet, you do not meet the requirements for VP.

This is all very confusing."

you don't need to hold a cabinet position to be VP. If you lose your cabinet position you can still be VP. You CAN hold two positions at a time, but it is not necessary for the VP.

Good point about Skilord, and good point about the governorship for the VP. Why don't we get Shaitan to pen an amendment for that in the constitution and run a poll on it?

btw: the domestic leader is the governor of istar, not the other way round.